German government moves closer to ditching Microsoft: "We're done with Teams!"

[Knot Schure]

Save your money and switch to Linux. When enough techies are there, the software compatibility thing will belong to the past.

I administrate over 200 Red-Hat machines.

Linux is not my real education / background, but the job fell into my lap, as I known these sites / systems for decades.

I actually do prefer to use Windows, or I did, until the forced updates, that really broke the work use case. Having things reset on you, after you leave for the day just to find the machine auto-rebooted has cost us dearly.

We have completly moved to Fedora / RedHat for everything, except the actual laptops we communicate with. Thats all AD / 365 / TEAMS / Sharepoint / etc.

I've been trying to work on obtaining an RHCSA for over a year now, and just don't have the time - and I mean that REALLY, I'm a CCNP, so I know what it means to MAKE time to do something, but my workload prevents me from progressing. I've been using RH since Jan 2000, on and off, and for the past few years, pretty much everyday. I do not usually enjoy it, and when Linux breaks, it does not rescue itself nearly as well as MS Windows does, and I find the whole UI of Windows more pleasing to both the eye, and to the mind, in general use.

But I DO appreciate the lack of bloat, and thus the less overhead too, so if it is 'going to go Linux', than so be it. I'll have to adapt.

If I was to describe my Linux skill level, I can rebuild RAID, install, sometimes repair volumes, and given my Cisco network exeperience, can understand much of the networking side when called upon, but I do have to consult notes & references, I just can't internalize it like I could so easily with Cisco. Especially since everything chaged around Linux 7. So if a 100% Linux user is a dev, I maybe calll myself out as a 25% skill level. How does 25% get me by in such a role? I have good notes, and have in-house SMEs (and devs) I can lean on, when databases are not salvagable or in-house code doesn't work, and so on.

So yes, if Windows is just going to continue to get fatter, slower, demand more, then bring on Linux.

 

[yannus]

I administrate over 200 Red-Hat machines.

Linux is not my real education / background, but the job fell into my lap, as I known these sites / systems for decades.

I actually do prefer to use Windows, or I did, until the forced updates, that really broke the work use case. Having things reset on you, after you leave for the day just to find the machine auto-rebooted has cost us dearly.

We have completly moved to Fedora / RedHat for everything, except the actual laptops we communicate with. Thats all AD / 365 / TEAMS / Sharepoint / etc.

I've been trying to work on obtaining an RHCSA for over a year now, and just don't have the time - and I mean that REALLY, I'm a CCNP, so I know what it means to MAKE time to do something, but my workload prevents me from progressing. I've been using RH since Jan 2000, on and off, and for the past few years, pretty much everyday. I do not usually enjoy it, and when Linux breaks, it does not rescue itself nearly as well as MS Windows does, and I find the whole UI of Windows more pleasing to both the eye, and to the mind, in general use.

But I DO appreciate the lack of bloat, and thus the less overhead too, so if it is 'going to go Linux', than so be it. I'll have to adapt.

If I was to describe my Linux skill level, I can rebuild RAID, install, sometimes repair volumes, and given my Cisco network exeperience, can understand much of the networking side when called upon, but I do have to consult notes & references, I just can't internalize it like I could so easily with Cisco. Especially since everything chaged around Linux 7. So if a 100% Linux user is a dev, I maybe calll myself out as a 25% skill level. How does 25% get me by in such a role? I have good notes, and have in-house SMEs (and devs) I can lean on, when databases are not salvagable or in-house code doesn't work, and so on.

So yes, if Windows is just going to continue to get fatter, slower, demand more, then bring on Linux.

I don't think I understand everything you said as I've only been using computers for CGI, video games, novice programming and a lot of everyday power-user use. Yet, my experience with linux started with knoppix and the likes, then Ubuntu, Mint LMDE and finally MXlinux. I've used windows until win7, my favourite one being win2000. My experience with Linux has sometimes been chalenging but not more than windows. MX has surpassed my experience with 2000, xp and 7 which were somehow good, but definitely MX or Mint are way better than 10 or 11 that I sometimes have to use for work.

 

[Knot Schure]

I don't think I understand everything you said as I've only been using computers for CGI, video games, novice programming and a lot of everyday power-user use. Yet, my experience with linux started with knoppix and the likes, then Ubuntu, Mint LMDE and finally MXlinux. I've used windows until win7, my favourite one being win2000. My experience with Linux has sometimes been chalenging but not more than windows. MX has surpassed my experience with 2000, xp and 7 which were somehow good, but definitely MX or Mint are way better than 10 or 11 that I sometimes have to use for work.

Wow, I was just saying this to someone last only last week - Win 2000 was my favourite too!

Multithreaded, lack of bloat, didn't ever 'try to do too anything' that you were not expecting of it. I even use it in VMs in Cisco labbing, for simulating end points.

MX Linux - had to look it up. Seems interesting. Will read more on it.

Thanks.

 

[Gars]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/why-d...office-and-windows-for-libreoffice-and-linux/

 

[LimyG]

Good for the Germans. Starting acting where every other ones mouths are.

MS is a highly irritating, faulty and telemetry riddled bloat fest. Mr. Gates was indeed a genius and a shrood business man. They deservered their premier position back then.

Now they are lucky to have kept an oligopoly, or even monopoly.
Their offerings have nothing to do with what the regular consumer wants, and somewhat they provide what large corps want which is something I suppose. For how long I wonder.

But the since around Win 7, possibly earlier, MS have transistioned, step by slimy step to offering what they want us to use. They show disdain of customers by offerring bloated junk that no one wants. Why force bloat, worse it's often swiss cheese security hole riddled crap. It's designed to lock us into their environment, and then push more bloat.

It amazes me that many people just accept a degree of this. A good example is being forced (correct me if I'm wrong) to have an online account with W11. Even 10 they make it seem difficult although it's easy. I have a local account and won't open my private account to the security comes in distant second, and a streamlined OS is no longer even in the plot. It's all pushing more and more crap. Optional online account. Yeah, it's useful for some people. A huge choice of all of their apps, A.I. crap etc except not set up for telemetry but made with the focus on Security, Speed, and Reliability. Oh, and optional.

Large corps, understandably have some choice, customizations and may even get an MS systems analyst (do they still exist?) as they are huge customers.
The regular user, who games, perhaps runs a small business even is more and more locked into the open info (as in lack of real privacy), forced junkware, and a bloated OS that doesn't really work much better than W10. It should be twice as fast on the same hardware. And Windows 10 isn't bloat free either.

Patch to patch patch. What don't we know about? Probably a lot, and the scammers are smarter that MS robots. Seeing as it's not rare to see an article published saying something like, MS left a known security exploit unpatched for 12 months. Or more. It's surely a posibility at least.

The world of the MS centric PC is reaching something akin to a slowly encroaching removal of the user.

Next, when we turn our PCs on, the hideously intrusive data gathering A.I. crashpilot, whatever will decide what program to open first. It will decide what's in our best interests, and what we really want to do on PC. It's sneaking up on users, and too many to a degree, end up accepting the latest intrusive activities after a year or two.
Online only accounts a case in point. People use to be outraged by that. Now it's accepted. MS has too many of us by the short and curlies.

OK, thank you. Rant over. Feel much better now, and looking into Linux.