German government moves closer to ditching Microsoft: "We're done with Teams!"

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In brief: The long-running battle of Germany's northernmost state, Schleswig-Holstein, to make a complete switch from Microsoft software to open-source alternatives looks close to an end. Many government operatives will permanently wave goodbye to the likes of Teams, Word, Excel, and Outlook in the next three months in a move to ensure independence, sustainability, and security.

Plans to go open-source were drawn up by Schleswig-Holstein as far back as 2017. In 2021, the state found another incentive to make the switch: Windows 11's hardware requirements. A move to LibreOffice and other open-source programs had a deadline of 2026 – there was no date set for ditching Windows at the time.

Last year brought news of a plan by the state to replace Windows with Linux and further expansion of LibreOffice, Open-Xchange, Nextcloud, and the Univention Active Directory (AD).

Now, Digitalisation Minister Dirk Schroedter has announced that "We're done with Teams!"

Of the state's approximately 60,000 public servants, which includes civil servants, judges, and police officers, around half are transitioning away from Microsoft in this initial phase, with 30,000 more – mostly teachers – doing the same over the next few years.

Schroedter highlighted several reasons for the move. Money is obviously a major factor, with Microsoft's enterprise licensing fees reaching into the millions of euros.

Global politics have also influenced the decision. The EU has a long history of imposing massive fines on US tech giants, something that Donald Trump has repeatedly taken issue with.

In 2023, Microsoft became the subject of an antitrust investigation in the continent over the way it integrates Teams into its other programs for businesses, though the Redmond firm agreed to a formal package of commitments, including selling the Office suite without Teams at a lower price, in May, which should allow it to escape a fine.

"The geopolitical developments of the past few months have strengthened interest in the path that we've taken," said Schroedter.

"The war in Ukraine revealed our energy dependencies, and now we see there are also digital dependencies," he said.

There's also the EU's "Interoperable Europe Act" that came into effect last year. It encourages the use of open-source software.

Other public bodies across the world are also moving away from Microsoft's products in favor of open-source or home-grown alternatives, from French police to India's defence ministry, writes France 24. Local governments in Denmark are also looking to ditch the firm.

Munich, the capital of the German state Bavaria, switched from Windows to Linux-based LiMux in 2004, though it switched back in 2017 as part of an IT overhaul. Wanting Microsoft to move its headquarters to Munich likely played a part in the return to Windows, too.

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Libre Office is an alternative to the office tools but not Teams. I am not aware of any good OSS video conferencing tools, especially since the hard part of video conferencing is not so much the software but the network infrastructure which is costly. Teams is total **** and you should at least upgrade to Zoom, but none of these are free.
 
For reasons unknown Teams simply refuses to run on my Lenovo laptop, causing it to bluescreen - the only program that has ever done that to my laptop.
Zoom never caused any problems.

Someone else said it earlier in this thread...Teams is a POS.
Fixing it probably isn't impossible but sadly Microsoft no longer seems interested in fixing things.
Oh well. I'm currently halfway to changing the laptop to Mint - I expect to deal with a minor SSD issue sometime later this week. I may do my PC's some other time, there's no hurry as I have several tricks up my sleeve to extend Win10's life.
Btw...Mint install is SUPER userfriendly compared to the current Windows 10 install torture test....which btw is a lot easier than installing 11 if I'm not mistaken.
 
Teams is such a bad piece of software, yet it's used by so many ! Monopoly not quality is key here, again.

Now about Germany, if I remember well, some places already switched to openoffice a while ago but later switched back to micro$oft, wasting a lot of money. Switching to FOSS (Linux and Libreoffice) is no doubt the way to go, but the real issue here is that politicians definitely do not care about tax payers money.
 
Teams is such a bad piece of software, yet it's used by so many ! Monopoly not quality is key here, again.

No, the key here is value. For the price of Slack (read: chats and calls) you get full M365 with Teams, Exchange, SharePoint, 1TB private storage per user, identity management, and full web and desktop Office clients.

Switching to FOSS (Linux and Libreoffice) is no doubt the way to go, but the real issue here is that politicians definitely do not care about tax payers money.

Of there's plenty doubt. For one thing, LibreOffice is a productivity client for the desktop, while M365 is a cloud service subscription (see p1). It's a pretty effin huge difference. Something a lot of people have a really hard time grasping, the advocates of this genius project included.
 
LibreOffice is a productivity client for the desktop, while M365 is a cloud service subscription (see p1). It's a pretty effin huge difference. Something a lot of people have a really hard time grasping, the advocates of this genius project included.
You are right, they are overlooking that “effin huge” downside of MS 365.
 
What's old is new again. They already tried this experiment and either it was a failure or the government capitulated for political reasons. Is there a good open source alternative for Teams? That would be a great project for their Universities to start working on
 
Microsoft are headed for a brick wall.

They did this to themselves. Just off the top of my head:

1. Added a UI nobody wanted.
2. Increased, rather than decreased bloat.
3. Forced Updates & Upgrades. Some machine just need to 'stay on'.
4. Co-pilot screen grabs, first a privacy and security nightmare, later they encrypted it.
5. Attempt to force online-user accounts. I don't know anyone who likes that.
6. SAS - Office 365 looking at you. People wanted to just PAY for their office, not be given a direct debit.
7. And not least - CAL licenses. It can be so expensive for companies to run AD & their client licenses, that high level annual meetings over this are needed, just due to cost alone.

This list could go on.

Now they see the threat, Windows $10, Office $29 - both lifetime licenses.

How about a version for us techies? No Store, no forced browser, no weather, no Xbox, no bloat. Call it Windows-Lite, we'd even PAY MORE for it.
 
Microsoft are headed for a brick wall.

They did this to themselves. Just off the top of my head:

1. Added a UI nobody wanted.
2. Increased, rather than decreased bloat.
3. Forced Updates & Upgrades. Some machine just need to 'stay on'.
4. Co-pilot screen grabs, first a privacy and security nightmare, later they encrypted it.
5. Attempt to force online-user accounts. I don't know anyone who likes that.
6. SAS - Office 365 looking at you. People wanted to just PAY for their office, not be given a direct debit.
7. And not least - CAL licenses. It can be so expensive for companies to run AD & their client licenses, that high level annual meetings over this are needed, just due to cost alone.

This list could go on.

Now they see the threat, Windows $10, Office $29 - both lifetime licenses.

How about a version for us techies? No Store, no forced browser, no weather, no Xbox, no bloat. Call it Windows-Lite, we'd even PAY MORE for it.
I know a lot of very basic users of the office who do not mind paying for it even if they use it once a week.
Even when I lay out what it costs them vs buying a license, they are still not convinced sometimes.
Also, android now only has a subscription office as I recall. It means that people who like to use tablets for work and want to keep using the same app as it is on their PC do not really have a choice.
 
I know a lot of very basic users of the office who do not mind paying for it even if they use it once a week.
Even when I lay out what it costs them vs buying a license, they are still not convinced sometimes.
Also, android now only has a subscription office as I recall. It means that people who like to use tablets for work and want to keep using the same app as it is on their PC do not really have a choice.

Lets stick to the topic at hand, Andriod - who cares, they can go Libre Office too. So they have a choice.

Nobody I know, enjoys Software As a Service.

But the big issue here is - Linux on the up and up. And MS have only themselves to blame for that. The lost government $$$'s are significant.

I don't know how big business can shoot themselves in the foot so often. But they do it so easily.
 
How about a version for us techies? No Store, no forced browser, no weather, no Xbox, no bloat. Call it Windows-Lite, we'd even PAY MORE for it.
Save your money and switch to Linux. When enough techies are there, the software compatibility thing will belong to the past.
 
"The war in Ukraine revealed our energy dependencies, and now we see there are also digital dependencies," he said.

It's not like we've been ranting, and honestly screaming, about this since the mid and late 1990s.

30 years to "now see"? Frack. I'm still flabbergasted that our public service are not mandated by law to use libre software when such app exist.
 
No, the key here is value. For the price of Slack (read: chats and calls) you get full M365 with Teams, Exchange, SharePoint, 1TB private storage per user, identity management, and full web and desktop Office clients.



Of there's plenty doubt. For one thing, LibreOffice is a productivity client for the desktop, while M365 is a cloud service subscription (see p1). It's a pretty effin huge difference. Something a lot of people have a really hard time grasping, the advocates of this genius project included.
Microsoft 365 is a RENTAL, not a subscription. Think magazines and newspapers. When your subscription is up, you get to keep what you subscribed for. Now think car and apartment rentals. Once you turn in your car or your lease is up, you no longer can use them.
 
My company was bought by a bigger fish, they are an all MS shop. The past 3 years have been first experience with Teams. I understand the complaints, it is a pretty dang complex piece of software and the collab features can completely suck (and be very helpful at the same time) - a story in it's own right. The interface is a bit clunky and has a fairly high learning curve. I was very frustrated for the first year or so and still am today, especially with the stupid, forced "cloud" file storage crap. I'm a pretty advanced user of many types of complex software, so the poor lower-ability PC users must rip their hair out.
 
Given two choices in the design of software, simple and complicated, guess what? Microsoft always chooses the complicated one. The other element is Microsoft's growth of Windows software by acquistion. Integrating acquired software is generally way faster but more difficult that doing your own.

And then we have the Windows registry. Does anybody understand it?
 
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