Github says it will replace the terms whitelist, blacklist, and master/slave for being...

williboi

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Not only does it matter none, it is a "fake" way of trying to combat racism. There's zero percent about such a change that has anything to do with racism. Its all a bunch of fake BS catering to the snowflakes' inability to to understand context and intent to "look good" ...

I got an idea, instead of wasting time pretending to combat racism, trying to "look good" to others, we actually just do something effective ... like training the police to call out their fellow cops when they break the law or are behaving with misconduct. That would actually help.

Banning the term "whitelist" and "blacklist" will do nothing more than divide people into two schools of thought on the topic ... kinda like the thing that actually drives racism.

The world is going to hell ...
Exactly. You're a genius.

I could ramble on about all the things that are sending the world to hell, and this is just one of the many, MANY things I could complain about. Game makers focusing way too much more on graphics rather than content, trash appliances, you name it. But this is definitely up there.
 

Darth Shiv

Posts: 2,202   +774
Master/slave origins are indeed clear. However, deciding to abolish words is stupid. They actually explain a certain relationship don't they? One controls the actions of the other. Having to use jumpers and put HDD 1 on Master and HDD 2 on slave was a limitation of old technology. I don't know if there was a commission on the rights and dignity of spinning discs called but maybe there should have been. The great emancipation that SATA brought deserves a monument! Or how about this? We could call one HDD independent and the other dependent. But dependent is a bad word because it means that it isn't equal and liberated. (like children on a tax return) How about Primary and Secondary. Yet we still have secondary be something less, like a second class HDD. Feelings are hurt. So please all you enlightened SJW geniuses, please explain the New Speak that defines a relationship where B cannot act autonomously apart from A but A does not need B to act?
Parent/child? There are plenty of synonyms.

More importantly, how many shackles will be broken and how many enslaved humans freed by changing words? What should we replace Whitelist/Blacklist with? Doubleplusgoodlist/Doubleplusbadlist? How about pinklist/mauvelist?
How will the removal of Whitelist/Blacklist resolve income inequality? What makes you think that that is even possible?
See this is where you simply don't get it. This is NOT about appeasing YOU. It is about removing the words that are used to this day pointed at the oppressed which is not you. The mere fact I even have to say that shows you really have pathetically little comprehension of what racism and discrimination is, means, does.

The civil war in the US did NOT stop a large portion of the population still considering black people as inferior. That is a fact. They aggressively use words like master and slave to assert they are superior and black people are trash. This is not about appeasing you or even making sense to you. Frankly I don't care about your opinion as you clearly don't understand what racism is. And I don't apologise for calling out racists. I side with the victims and for singling out the language of racists.
 

williboi

Posts: 9   +3
Parent/child? There are plenty of synonyms.


See this is where you simply don't get it. This is NOT about appeasing YOU. It is about removing the words that are used to this day pointed at the oppressed which is not you. The mere fact I even have to say that shows you really have pathetically little comprehension of what racism and discrimination is, means, does.

The civil war in the US did NOT stop a large portion of the population still considering black people as inferior. That is a fact. They aggressively use words like master and slave to assert they are superior and black people are trash. This is not about appeasing you or even making sense to you. Frankly I don't care about your opinion as you clearly don't understand what racism is. And I don't apologise for calling out racists. I side with the victims and for singling out the language of racists.
Removing words that are pointed at the oppressed...

Mate, I'm a Mexican. Don't try to tell me that mater/slave is automatically racist just because it refers to the type of relationship from way back then. It's not inherently racist. People who use it in a way to be racist are asserting that, but using it to describe a relationship between hard drives isn't racist. Don't EVER try to tell me that I'm offended by the words, because I don't care.

So yeah, kids, we live in a world where people think that the colors black and white and descriptions of masters and slaves are racist even when they aren't used in a racist way.

Also, your points make no sense. This guy isn't talking about appeasing people. He's talking about the words.
 

JimboJoneson

Posts: 304   +502
Parent/child? There are plenty of synonyms.

Well that's highly insulting to children. Children need to be treated as sovereign individuals so we can facilitate an un-oppressed life for them as adults. Using parent/child is authoritarian and an insult to children everywhere that have oppressive parents. Do you even know the child abuse rates? I will not stand for such a description as it is highly insulting to all the children who have bad parents. Disgusting terms!

Can you imagine, having been abused by your parents as a child, (or having ancestors that did long ago), then seeing the term "parent/child" pointing directly at you from a technical diagram? The horror!

Can I get a protest?


It is about removing the words that are used to this day pointed at the oppressed which is not you.

If you are reading a technical diagram or program code, and you see reference to "master/slave" relationship in context to which it aptly applies, how does that promote racism? How is that "pointed at the oppressed"? Explain this to me ...

Is racism the actual problem? or is the actual problem just words, that when taken completely out of context, may have some sort of loose relationship with other words from a different context, that describes a time when certain people were treated poorly? Is that racism? Is that what constitutes an act of racism? How about we actually address racism instead of pretending? Wouldn't that be nice?

For goodness sake, police (in America) kill blacks at a rate of 1.3x that of whites (per capita), this is a REAL problem, changing technical terms on a diagram or in reference to programming is NOT going to help one freaking little bit. Only the deluded would actually believe it will.

Imagine if we put those resources into actually doing things that will make a difference and not use methods (such as changing apt technical terms that have no relation to racism whatsoever) that merely do nothing but divide us yet again into opposing schools of thought? What a concept! :)
 
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ZedRM

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Don't try to tell me that mater/slave is automatically racist just because it refers to the type of relationship from way back then. It's not inherently racist. People who use it in a way to be racist are asserting that, but using it to describe a relationship between hard drives isn't racist.
Exactly correct!
Don't EVER try to tell me that I'm offended by the words, because I don't care.
Also correct. The people telling everyone else what offends them need to STFU and quit telling people what and how to think.
 

CPO2U

Posts: 76   +33
I get where they're coming from, a politically correct appease everyone stance, but that doesn't mean I agree at all.

I always considered IT to be a politics free zone. Should I be apologizing to my old secondary IDE hard drive for setting its jumper to slave? No. That's pure nonsense.

If you don't understand why people are making this change, then you're either being wilfully obtuse, or you are in support of the status quo (probably because it doesn't negatively affect YOUR life).

I'm not gonna call you names, but please... go look in the mirror, man. Look hard. And think about your privilege and mindset.
 

Darth Shiv

Posts: 2,202   +774
Removing words that are pointed at the oppressed...

Mate, I'm a Mexican. Don't try to tell me that mater/slave is automatically racist just because it refers to the type of relationship from way back then. It's not inherently racist. People who use it in a way to be racist are asserting that, but using it to describe a relationship between hard drives isn't racist. Don't EVER try to tell me that I'm offended by the words, because I don't care.

So yeah, kids, we live in a world where people think that the colors black and white and descriptions of masters and slaves are racist even when they aren't used in a racist way.

Also, your points make no sense. This guy isn't talking about appeasing people. He's talking about the words.
Oh good for you. You aren't affected by racism! Congratulations. Want a cookie?
 

HyperPete

Posts: 109   +57
With the way this world is changing, soon there will be no colors allowed at all. No more Red alerts. Stop lights will need to be changed to remove Red and Yellow. If you get in a fight, you will not be permitted to discuss your Black eye. Where will it stop!

Motor vehicles will not be permitted to have master & slave cylinders, either.

By the way, slavery existed FAR before Americans enslaved black people. Four thousand years ago, Jews were enslaved by Egyptian rulers. (Remember "the exodus?!) That's just one example. I also don't ever remember hearing about millions of black people being incinerated due to their skin color or beliefs.

Time for that giant meteor!
 
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HyperPete

Posts: 109   +57
You are of course free to express your bias whenever you like but your opinion is just a biased as the next and just as viable or non-viable.

It seems you're saying that a minority population should be able to elect the president. You're saying that some votes should count more than other votes. If more people choose to live in a city than in a more rural area, then for some random reason their votes should count less?

That seems to be your bias. I don't agree with it. Try this, just as an example:

Small, underpopulated Republican rural areas (Wyoming, South Dakota, Alaska, etc.) DO NOT and SHOULD NOT speak for the rest of our country!

When the electoral college was created, our founding fathers knew nothing of gerrymandering and treasonous collusion with foreign powers to influence an election. Why should my vote be worth any less than another person's just because I live in a large city? (I don't, by the way.) One person, One vote. The electoral college is obsolete and should be abolished.

Also, you forgot to mention one tiny little detail - although it has not occurred (yet), the electoral college representatives can choose to vote however they wish, REGARDLESS of the actual vote!

EDIT: Apologies, I am preaching to the choir. I guess this was meant to be directed toward the individual to whom you are replying.
 
What are we going to change whitehat/blackhat/redhat/greyhat now too?
Protest votes. This is one of the reasons why people like Trump get elected. Nice going, folks, keep up with the madness.

greylisting
white paint
black phone cases
black water mugs
KitchenAide Black Kitchenware
White window shades
White LED Lamps
 

JimboJoneson

Posts: 304   +502
What are we going to change whitehat/blackhat/redhat/greyhat now too?


greylisting
white paint
black phone cases
black water mugs
KitchenAide Black Kitchenware
White window shades
White LED Lamps


Here's how we can fight racism ...

Old term…………………New term
White bread.............Pale wheat loaf
Cracker Jacks.........Caucasian Jacks
Blackbird.................Dark Pigment Bird
Crackers..................Pale dried biscuit
Brown noser............Poo stain noser
Redhat ....................Native American inspired hat linux
Blackout..................Darkout
...

If we keep this going, everyone will eventually be treated equal, its such a brilliant and effective strategy for saving oppressed lives, I don't know why we didn't destroy our language sooner.

Virtue signalling is obviously the answer to racism, or it would not be being used so widely and aggressively ... so it must be the answer. :facepalm:
 
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JimboJoneson

Posts: 304   +502
If you don't understand why people are making this change, then you're either being wilfully obtuse, or you are in support of the status quo (probably because it doesn't negatively affect YOUR life).

I'm not gonna call you names, but please... go look in the mirror, man. Look hard. And think about your privilege and mindset.

I didn't read that guys previous posts so I have no comment on that, but I'll add this perspective.

These changes are nothing more than virtue signalling ... they won't change anything except confuse people and divide them into two opposing schools of thought.

Opposing schools of thought is the mechanism that drives racism in the first place ... think about it.

How will changing these terms improve life for oppressed people in actual reality? It won't at all. Not one person's life will improve if we stop using "blacklist / whitelist" - not one; that's why its clearly nothing more than virtue signalling. If it would actually make a difference, then it might be different.
 

veLa

Posts: 1,116   +753
If you don't understand why people are making this change, then you're either being wilfully obtuse, or you are in support of the status quo (probably because it doesn't negatively affect YOUR life).

I definitely understand where they're coming from, it's political correctness. It offends someone, and now we're changing the name. It's the same reason we say LGBT instead of homosexuals, or why we say people of color instead of colored folk.

Maybe you're right though, it doesn't impact me, but could it impact me once it's changed? If it's changed, and I'm offended as well, does that put me in the right all of a sudden? Because clearly we're associating those who are offended by the master/slave terminology as those who are correct and noble.

I'm not gonna call you names,

But if you were, what were you thinking of calling me? Conservative? Racist? An asshat? Something along those lines probably even though you're only working on an assumption of my political beliefs?

I'm glad you didn't say that, because doing so does nothing to further your cause and actually drives the divide between us. Truth is, we'd probably agree on real issues, like LGBT rights or gun control for example.

but please... go look in the mirror, man. Look hard. And think about your privilege and mindset.

The fact of the matter is, you don't know anything about me or my privilege. You see, this is one of the problems with the progressive side in this argument, you expect to measure my privilege, and if I don't measure up to whatever the standard in your head is, I don't get to have an opinion. I'm the descendant of two holocaust survivors, am I allowed to have an opinion now? In 2012, I was the victim of gun violence at the hands of an unidentified black male, am I allowed to have an opinion yet? Frankly, I think you need to reflect on your mindset as well.

I have consistently marched, protested, and as a member of the free press, reported on LGBT rights, BLM, the COVID-19 pandemic, the fight for the 15, and much more over the last 5 years. Can I not disagree on a single issue? I guess none of my advocacy matters.

Lastly, the master/slave naming scheme is an example of jargon in the information technology industry. Let's ask ourselves about the intent of the electronics engineers who settled on this naming scheme. Do you think they specifically sought out to politicize computers and offend people of color? Maybe it is outdated and even offensive, but hyper politicizing IT in lieu of actual issues, I just cannot support it. There have been plenty of conservative IT specialist that I disagree on everything with, except for one topic, information technology. I maintain my ground, I will not bring politics into the IT industry. Take down the statues, rename the buildings, defund the police, but stay away from esoteric computer naming schemes.
 
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