Have we reached peak subscription? US households stop subscribing to extra streaming services

Revolution 11

Posts: 135   +173
That's true.. The total I'm paying every month for streaming is $112.44
$15.49 - Netflix
$64.99 - YouTube TV
$5.99 - Hulu
$14.99 - Amazon Prime
$2.99 - PBS App
$7.99 - Disney Plus

That's not counting the cost for internet (which I'm paying $289.99/m, 1Gb/45mb) - long story on the internet cost but I had to pay over 10K to get it installed at my house so they forced me into paying it over time.
Holy moly! Cancel that YouTube TV, it is over HALF of your crazy streaming budget. That is $780 you could be spending on better things....like overpriced GPUs :laughing:.

Seriously, spend $780 on vacations and travel and you will get a far better value for your money, IMHO.
 

Raytrace3D

Posts: 338   +414
Holy moly! Cancel that YouTube TV, it is over HALF of your crazy streaming budget. That is $780 you could be spending on better things....like overpriced GPUs :laughing:.

Seriously, spend $780 on vacations and travel and you will get a far better value for your money, IMHO.
I use YouTube TV as my main TV channels (get local stations, plus sports) and it gets used a lot with the family.
 

EdmondRC

Posts: 250   +334
1. Most of the content is garbage
2. While it has been experimented with, no streaming service allows you to completely customize your content. I don't want to see the ads for your agenda driven original content or categories that I simply would never watch. Let me tell the service what type of movies/ratings/etc I want to see, I don't want all the bilge thrown at me
3. It's getting more expensive, and the content is getting worse
4. You have to deal with ads again in many cases
5. There are better things to do with my time than search for something that I actually want to watch, so I found myself just not using the services at all, so I cancelled most of them
 
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Dd663

1. Most of the content is garbage
2. While it has been experimented with, no streaming service allows you to completely customize your content. I don't want to see the ads for your agenda driven original content or categories that I simply would never watch. Let me tell the service what type of movies/ratings/etc I want to see, I don't want all the bilge thrown at me
3. It's getting more expensive, and the content is getting worse
4. You have to deal with ads again in many cases
5. There are better things to do with my time than search for something that I actually want to watch, so I found myself just not using the services at all, so I cancelled most of them
I agree with you on all points. We wouldn't have any streaming services at all if it were up to me, but my wife likes having Disney+.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 7,706   +6,653
The only cure for your disease is education and you can't get it from the liberal sites.
Conservaturds will only educate you with subjects they want you to know about. The rest, they will make illegal because you have to live life their way or no way at all.
 

kiwigraeme

Posts: 1,048   +776
The tragedy is that Netflix anticipated all of this back in 2015 and massively increased their content budgets. But instead of building a kickass roster of low-cost or medium-cost niche shows, foreign shows, animation, and high story-telling quality content on a reasonable budget, they blew all that money on extremely low-quality trash that no one will ever rewatch and very expensive blockbusters with brain-dead stories.

There was a way to do all this with far more bang for the buck. Too much trust in the Netflix algorithm and not enough curation of content BEFORE they are funded.


This - That's why algorithms can be dead ends , circular and self fulfilling - oh look Chinese AI can recognise who s a criminal by their face - oh it's just all the mug shots were under green fluorescent light and they weren't super happy to be photographed.
There is a reason Nike engages street kids in their shoe designs . They know the bean counters or has-beens are too far removed from the action .
Designed by a committee - has that ever worked except for NASA like stuff - most committee meetings I have been to you can remove 80% of those people - and send them to another room to just enjoy the food .
I knew products that were going to succeed as a young guy - because it was what I wanted and made me excited . It's rare to get such a feeling now .
Take PC games seem weird when the developer puts out OK generic dross - yet fan based content is much more immersive.

Netflix or any big company - should fine people who have a passion and great knowledge for each area - Some one who loves docos , someone who loves Anime .

Look at the morass that was GM & Ford in 80s - lets saturate the market with 501 flavours of ****- The customer is king - 101 aftersales options - mostly completely forgettable , badly built sedans - with no charm - you want Custom -empty your pockets and do it right .

This is same for department Stores - The buyers for each dept. are the royalty. Dept stores that sell good quality and things that people want - normally survive - any endear loyalty .

We have lots of stories of people turning down books ( Harry Potter ) , Singers/Bands etc

Netflex is probably is now like Idol - picking safe bland good enough stuff .
Apparently the current flavour of the month is a Bodice ripper - British seem to do those well ( not my thing )
 

bviktor

Posts: 852   +1,268
Did people honestly forgot *why* Netflix got popular? It was mostly because cable tv was SO BAD people decided to just try switching to digital even if they lacked the curation, the shows and was largely unfamiliar and new.

I am surprised it has taken this long for subscription services to plateau given how fractured and expensive of a proposition is but yes: It is literally cable tv all over again.

And again, older people will eventually start settling for switching over yet again except this time to user generated content (Youtube and Twitch for now) as their primary source of entertainment. We're already there with most millennials and virtually all zoomers so it's not really going to be a huge adjustment people choose amateur content instead of paying for 3 to 5 separate subscription services to actually catch all the content they deem worthy since all of them have some compelling options but none of them have enough compelling options al on their own because of this fragmentation.
Wrong. Netflix got popular because it has no ads, you could watch movies on-demand, whenever you want, wherever you are, on whichever device you want.
 

p51d007

Posts: 3,156   +2,656
When Netflix started, pretty much all the studios offered them movies.
It was sort of a one stop shop. You pick what you wanted, they would send
you the DVD, watch it, then send it back. Then they went online. But, the MOVIE
studios wanted some of the gravy. They started their own online streaming and
took the movies from Netflix away. Now, they have some stuff, but not the new stuff
so to speak. And from what I've read, a lot of their own produced stuff is garbage.
 

dangh

Posts: 581   +921
This is a miserable, miserable strategy. By the time I've dug out and input my CC details for the fifth time this year to re-up a Netflix subscription while checking my calendar to make sure I've cancelled Paramount, HBO and Disney, I could have powered up a VPN and seen what's fallen off the back of the torrent truck or gotten lucky in a thrift store or the library a dozen times over. You're just validating their balkanization while putting more stress on yourself.

Also, how does your strategy fare when they start cracking down on it the way Netflix is starting to crack down on things like account sharing? You're naive if you think they're not aware of it and mulling over ways to stop it. I imagine part of that mitigation is going to be making it so that it's less cost-effective to subscribe monthly than yearly.
fifth time a year? so, every second month? First of all, my cc details are on Chrome, so I don't have to input anything. Second, I re-sub to netflix maybe twice a year. And I don't need to have a calendar, because I have no need to have 20 subscribers - and I still have good enough self management skills to know which of the 4-5 content providers I'm subscribing rn.
Your choice is either to have control on your expenses or not.
I do not understand either what is your issue with account sharing. I share it within my household and this was never any kind of issue for Netflix, and any 'crack down' won't affect me.
If the yearly subscription will be cheaper than 5 months subscription, then I will rethink that approach. But for now I'm good.
And yeah, I do not 'browse' netflix to see if there is something interesting. I know what productions are coming and I watch them when there is a few of them available - if there is like 3-4 series and some movies, it is good indicator that you'd want to make a switch.
And sure, you can sign up for everything. But for me after a year I could have enough for a free tickets to spain for my family, and that is worth of switching xaas a few time a year.
 

terzaerian

Posts: 1,265   +1,771
fifth time a year? so, every second month? First of all, my cc details are on Chrome, so I don't have to input anything. Second, I re-sub to netflix maybe twice a year. And I don't need to have a calendar, because I have no need to have 20 subscribers - and I still have good enough self management skills to know which of the 4-5 content providers I'm subscribing rn.
Your choice is either to have control on your expenses or not.
I do not understand either what is your issue with account sharing. I share it within my household and this was never any kind of issue for Netflix, and any 'crack down' won't affect me.
If the yearly subscription will be cheaper than 5 months subscription, then I will rethink that approach. But for now I'm good.
And yeah, I do not 'browse' netflix to see if there is something interesting. I know what productions are coming and I watch them when there is a few of them available - if there is like 3-4 series and some movies, it is good indicator that you'd want to make a switch.
And sure, you can sign up for everything. But for me after a year I could have enough for a free tickets to spain for my family, and that is worth of switching xaas a few time a year.
I'm not gainsaying financial responsibility - far from it. What I'm saying is that by trying to manage this byzantine system of rotating subscriptions and shared accounts you're injecting additional stress and complexity into your life (and if you have your own family you've already taken on a boatload of it) while validating the system that's doing it to you. When a company damages my quality of life my response isn't typically to keep sending them money, it's to get even.

I'm not against shared accounts either, I'm just telling you that their era is swiftly coming to a close, because as the greedy rightshoarders running the services take note of the practice they're going to 100% start comparing it to piracy and crack down on it anyway they can, whether that's locking your account to an IP range, whining to regulators, or ID verifications, all of which is intolerable. Whether you're sharing MP3s or account credentials, all they see is dollars they could have mined out of you and it galls them.

I'm just saying that if you're going to be branded a pirate there's no sense resisting the label. ⛵
 
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dangh

Posts: 581   +921
I'm not gainsaying financial responsibility - far from it. What I'm saying is that by trying to manage this byzantine system of rotating subscriptions and shared accounts you're injecting additional stress and complexity into your life (and if you have your own family you've already taken on a boatload of it) and validating the system that's doing it to you.

I'm not against shared accounts either, I'm just telling you that their era is swiftly coming to a close, because as the greedy rightshoarders running the services take note of the practice they're going to 100% start comparing it to piracy and crack down on it anyway they can, whether that's locking your account to an IP range, whining to regulators, or ID verifications, all of which is intolerable. Whether you're sharing MP3s or account credentials, all they see is dollars they could have mined out of you and it galls them.

I'm just saying that if you're going to be branded a pirate there's no sense resisting the label. ⛵
There is no byzantine system of using a few streaming services, really. And there is no issues with family sharing - my wife have same approach and we have enough of patience to watch something a few months later. tbh we consider getting those services just for 1-2 months each year and not use it at all in time when we can spend this time better. As for now I don't watch more than 4-5 series yearly so I probably can do it at once at some rainy/snowy winter months.

But yeah, now I see that you focusing on the family sharing with non (or distant) people. Again, not my use case, that issue do not affect me and I kind of understand the need for it. But for the affected it might be an issue.

And I do not going to pirate anything. If someone is really worth the price, I do not mind buying a disc with it (Dune is absolutely perfect movie and must - have). If it is not worth spending $20 - then is not worth watching. Thankfully we still have physical option or for games - GOG.
 

BadThad

Posts: 1,039   +1,193
Conservaturds will only educate you with subjects they want you to know about. The rest, they will make illegal because you have to live life their way or no way at all.
I find it quite humorous would accuse the right of that. Typical leftist play - accuse the other side of EXACTLY what you're doing.

You have no clue about conservative principles I see. We are all about FREEDOM and LESS government laws and restrictions. You on the left are all about big government, more laws & restrictions and shutting down anything you disagree with - the complete opposite of the right!
 

terzaerian

Posts: 1,265   +1,771
There is no byzantine system of using a few streaming services, really. And there is no issues with family sharing - my wife have same approach and we have enough of patience to watch something a few months later. tbh we consider getting those services just for 1-2 months each year and not use it at all in time when we can spend this time better. As for now I don't watch more than 4-5 series yearly so I probably can do it at once at some rainy/snowy winter months.

But yeah, now I see that you focusing on the family sharing with non (or distant) people. Again, not my use case, that issue do not affect me and I kind of understand the need for it. But for the affected it might be an issue.

And I do not going to pirate anything. If someone is really worth the price, I do not mind buying a disc with it (Dune is absolutely perfect movie and must - have). If it is not worth spending $20 - then is not worth watching. Thankfully we still have physical option or for games - GOG.
Patience is a good quality to have, for sure, but if you're going to employ it there are better alternatives than streaming services, such as the library, whose existence is also doing a lot more for your community than Paramount or Netflix is ever going to do.

And while physical disks are still, for now, nominally an option for "legitimately" purchasing a title, we have no idea how long that will continue to be the case. Second-hand purchases of films on DVD are already, in the eyes of rightshoarders, basically piracy because they do not get a cut, and considering that even first-hand purchases only give them a cut once, it's easy to see the incentive for them to start phasing that out as well.

Basically my point is you may think that, currently, you're going to do everything legitimate and by the book, what's considered legitimate and by the book is going to keep shifting and, most importantly, narrowing, and the costs to stay that way are going to keep increasing, and appeasing the demands of the system only encourages them to push farther to see what they can get away with. I think it's better to push back now, before it gets too far down the road that the ability to even do so is stripped from us.
 

hwertz

Posts: 141   +80
My problem with these services -- so I sign up for Netflix, or Hulu, or Paramount, and then I go to watch a show. Oh they don't have that one. OK, I'll watch something else. Oh they don't have it! OK, third choice -- oh, they have it but only season 3, I want to start from the start. I've got zero interest in subscribing to a service and not having what I want to watch on it, and I'm definitely not interested in subscribing to 3, 4, 5 subscription services just to have a "reasonable" fraction of what may be available (but still find stuff I want to watch is missing).

Apparently in Japan, they had this problem 10 or 20 years ago, multiple streaming services but little interest in subscribing -- people were not subscribing at all because no service had enough shows, and people were not willing to subscribe to half a dozen streaming services just to have reasonable chance of having the shows they want to watch. Solution? A service gets a show exclusively for the first year (so if some network has a great new show, they get more subscribers), but ALL streaming services get the show after a year (so people can subscribe to one service and have all the shows they want.) They found getting their fair share of a much larger pie (way more total subscribers) beat out the previous "whoever has the best exclusive shows gets the most subscribers" of a far far smaller pie (way fewer subscribers.)
 

EdmondRC

Posts: 250   +334
Conservaturds will only educate you with subjects they want you to know about. The rest, they will make illegal because you have to live life their way or no way at all.
It seems pretty obvious that all the censorship is one sided, and its not conservatives that are doing the censoring. The problem with the left is you guys are too mentally ill to realize that everything you believe conservatives are doing... its actually you that's doing it.
 

Phatso

Posts: 8   +5
People had disposable income because the federal reserve snorted a line and churned out more money then ever before to keep the economy afloat and his approval up before the election. Well the consequences of his actions are catching up now with record inflation and now the new administration is trying to fix the problems the arose from the lack of foresight that your "infallible" Trump Administration had.
No,the Fed had been doing that for Ole' Big Ears to prop him up for both of his terms.Can't have the token's adimn fail.Everything in our country did EVERYTHING to prop Ole' Big Ears up with almost zero interest rates and lying about all of the metrics of the economy.Along came President Trump and supercharged the economy and started churning out over 3%gdp.The fed did NOT print money to keep the economy afloat before the election.The new administration trying to fix the economy by allowing millions of illegals coming through what once was our border.Driving up the energy sectors that have cost many people hundreds of dollars a month extra in heating,gas,electricity.An administration that weaponizes the DoJ to search for a lost diary.Sick the FBI on innocent parents at school borad meetings.Yea,this Biden admin is well worth the wait.Maybe for all of you sick liberal mindless radicals,but not for me.
 

Guberian

Posts: 196   +259
No,the Fed had been doing that for Ole' Big Ears to prop him up for both of his terms.Can't have the token's adimn fail.Everything in our country did EVERYTHING to prop Ole' Big Ears up with almost zero interest rates and lying about all of the metrics of the economy.Along came President Trump and supercharged the economy and started churning out over 3%gdp.The fed did NOT print money to keep the economy afloat before the election.The new administration trying to fix the economy by allowing millions of illegals coming through what once was our border.Driving up the energy sectors that have cost many people hundreds of dollars a month extra in heating,gas,electricity.An administration that weaponizes the DoJ to search for a lost diary.Sick the FBI on innocent parents at school borad meetings.Yea,this Biden admin is well worth the wait.Maybe for all of you sick liberal mindless radicals,but not for me.
stimulus checks in 2020? Ah yes they didnt print money for that and pulled those bucks out of their arse ta da magic.
 

DAOWAce

Posts: 323   +62
Things like Netflix were were great back when they were only of the only subscription services that existed. Pay a relatively cheap monthly fee, get more content than you could hope to consume.

Now every digital company, every major TV channel, gaming companies, seemingly everywhere you look, all want you to pay for their own subscription service and actively go out of their way to remove their products from the now competing services. Gee, no wonder people are dropping their subscriptions.

The cost of living skyrocketing without any recourse only compounds how awful things have gotten.

Half surprised it took this long; covid superboosted demand for literally everything, so it's to be expected it lead to a huge boom. But now the 'situation' will only rapidly get worse from here, both for the companies and consumers.