'Hot Water Challenge' is sending children to hospital

[davislane1]

A few things:

1) Although blatant stupidity is increasing, Darwinism can't do it's job to filter them out of the gene pool fast enough because we also have medical services & technologies that save them too fast.

2) These challenges are successful at attracting kids and young adults because they've grown up in an overly protective & safety-driven environment where they haven't been allowed to learn the basics of self-preservation that previous generations experienced & learned as kids.

a) I rarely ever see kids on bikes peddling around the neighborhoods any longer (and the ones that I do see are wearing silly body armor). Biking was a major teacher of real-life dangers & consequences:
* Evel Knievel-ing your bike off homemade ramps and ending up smacking the pavement with your face taught you life can be harsh...and to properly plan for your next jump
* Learning to look both ways before biking across a street
* Random encounters with thugs & child predators while biking in parks or bad neighborhoods taught you to recognize the signs of bad people from afar

b) Kids today can't learn that electrical sockets shock you and hot things burn you, like we learned back in the day with a fork and a match.

c) Too much helicopter-parenting has prevented kids from learning painful lessons that were crucial for dealing with life.

I once whipped out a 3" folding knife in front of some helicopters. "OMG that's so dangerous!"

I decided then that I needed a bigger knife, because nobody fainted.

Maybe we should pay attention to what's in the water after all.

 

[EndRessentiment]

Natural selection isn't working as well as it once did it seems, people just get dumber every year.

These people aren't stupid because of their biology, in these cases it's culture that's making them stupid. Sadly most of us are quite susceptible to accepting or even adopting the bullshit of others. We are social animals after all.

 

[JMike]

Hey guys, at least boiled water is clean from bacteria!

Joke aside, the problem here is the stupid kids aren't the only one getting burnt. Their sleeping "friends" are getting it too. This is where "natural selection" will not work so well. At 10yrs old, you do not have what it take to carefully select your friends...

 

[davislane1]

These people aren't stupid because of their biology, in these cases it's culture that's making them stupid. Sadly most of us are quite susceptible to accepting or even adopting the bullshit of others. We are social animals after all.

Culture is a byproduct of biology. People willing to douse themselves or others in boiling water for fun aren't capable of identifying "stupid culture." If you can't identify observably stupid practices, you weren't selected for base intelligence.

 

[havok585]

Darwinism is alive and well.

In the US of A, apparently )

 

[captaincranky]

Culture is a byproduct of biology. People willing to douse themselves or others in boiling water for fun aren't capable of identifying "stupid culture." If you can't identify observably stupid practices, you weren't selected for base intelligence.

True enough. Even Chimps and gorillas have social groups with pecking orders.

Sadly, we'll likely have them all killed off before they master fire, and we'll never know if they're susceptible enough to suggestion, to throw boiling water on one another..

Although, I have no idea why we even have a public school system you mentioned earlier. All adolescents appear to need to know these day, is to count small denominations of bills, and then hand the person that gave you those bills, a plastic bag.

 

[wiyosaya]

Culture is a byproduct of biology. People willing to douse themselves or others in boiling water for fun aren't capable of identifying "stupid culture." If you can't identify observably stupid practices, you weren't selected for base intelligence.

True enough. Even Chimps and gorillas have social groups with pecking orders.

Sadly, we'll likely have them all killed off before they master fire, and we'll never know if they're susceptible enough to suggestion, to throw boiling water on one another..

Although, I have no idea why we even have a public school system you mentioned earlier. All adolescents appear to need to know these day, is to count small denominations of bills, and then hand the person that gave you those bills, a plastic bag.

Assuming one's observation is pervasive and always representative of reality. In your area, Captain, it certainly seems like it is pervasive and always representative of reality - at least as you always tell us.

I know of at least one public school that was on a steady downward slope until a university in the top 25 in the US agreed to run it. It has shown substantial improvement in the few years that it has been university run, and they even have set up student dispute resolution where they teach students to talk through their issues and solve them without violence - perhaps because the opportunity to attend that same university on graduation, or others, for that matter, injects some hope into a once hopeless situation. Teaching students non-violent conflict resolution is catching on elsewhere, too.

But I bet, Mindfulness, part of that teaching, is a very bad word in Davis' book.

Sounds like solving problems without guns is a foreign concept for both of you. I rather remember a recent conversation, Captain, where you were advocating the use of nukes - on the innocent to solve the problem of one sub-human being who could likely be taken out by a skilled sniper with a .50 cal sniper rifle.

The problem with public schools, at least as I see it, is not the public schools per se, it is that most of them are run in an archaic fashion. No Child Left Behind, and all that crap.

Then again, with the prevalence of alternative education these days, I would not be surprised if these kids have no understanding of the science behind boiling water and just how much energy it contains.

 

[captaincranky]

Assuming one's observation is pervasive and always representative of reality. In your area, Captain, it certainly seems like it is pervasive and always representative of reality - at least as you always tell us.

I know of at least one public school that was on a steady downward slope until a university in the top 25 in the US agreed to run it. It has shown substantial improvement in the few years that it has been university run, and they even have set up student dispute resolution where they teach students to talk through their issues and solve them without violence - perhaps because the opportunity to attend that same university on graduation, or others, for that matter, injects some hope into a once hopeless situation. Teaching students non-violent conflict resolution is catching on elsewhere, too.

But I bet, Mindfulness, part of that teaching, is a very bad word in Davis' book.

Sounds like solving problems without guns is a foreign concept for both of you. I rather remember a recent conversation, Captain, where you were advocating the use of nukes - on the innocent to solve the problem of one sub-human being who could likely be taken out by a skilled sniper with a .50 cal sniper rifle.

The problem with public schools, at least as I see it, is not the public schools per se, it is that most of them are run in an archaic fashion. No Child Left Behind, and all that crap.

Then again, with the prevalence of alternative education these days, I would not be surprised if these kids have no understanding of the science behind boiling water and just how much energy it contains.

You have a pervasive problem yourself. I don't know what cloistered environment you come from, but it's always the same story, you think everyone thinks like you, acts like you, and shares your rather naive idealistic values..

I think it's wonderful that you can show an isolated success story. Rome burns, and you still keep hearing that beautiful fiddle music

The reality is, my reality is a lot more prevalent than yours. The center of our country busts its collective a** putting food stamps on the tables of useless worthless animals.

As for "problems with the schools"+-, that's overblown by the fact that this generation's parents are worthless pieces of sh!t themselves.. The schools always get blamed for the failures of the parents. Why, you ask? Because they're incapable of accepting responsibility for their own actions, and certainly not for any failures.

The simple fact of the matter is, in my world, the fed pays for section 8 housing, while the "matriarch" of the family, assists a half dozen grown men sell to crack and heroine out the government sponsored front door. And there are a lot more of those realities in our cities, than whatever Elysian field you're constantly skipping through.

And for what it's worth, our nuking of Japan brought the war to an end. Japanese survivors and liberals love to whimper about out "inhumanity", while conveniently forgetting about such Japanese atrocities as "the death march to Bataan". And of course, you feel for them, while the US is the enemy. Why you ask? Well because you're brainwashed to the point where you think that "political correctness" is a solution, when in reality it's just a cheap whitewash over a plethora of today's massive problems.

As far as a fifty cal, the mushroom headed pampered little sociopath go, that's so obviously an almost impossible and suicidal mission, I still think we need to kick back, and push a couple of buttons.

And as far as throwing boiling water over one another, just how naive are the youth of today? The people on the web starting these, "challenges", are a bunch of sociopathic wolves, preying on the sheepish idi0cy which is pervasive in contemporary US society.

I know you believe when you breed stupid, lazy, irresponsible, fat, and ugly, with its identical counterpart, the school system should take up the slack.and bring geniuses from the cross forward into the future, it ain't happening. What's the "politically correct solution", to this issue? Easy, change the standards for beauty, ideal weight, and then make 4th grade the 7th grade, and you're lookin' good on paper. Fluff up your pillow, you've done a good day's nothing.

As far as the topic goes, the simple fact of the matter is, you can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater and expect protection under the 1st amendment. So, if Google is permitting this nonsense to remain on YouTube, then they need to be prosecuted along with the perpetrators.

 

[wiyosaya]

Assuming one's observation is pervasive and always representative of reality. In your area, Captain, it certainly seems like it is pervasive and always representative of reality - at least as you always tell us.

I know of at least one public school that was on a steady downward slope until a university in the top 25 in the US agreed to run it. It has shown substantial improvement in the few years that it has been university run, and they even have set up student dispute resolution where they teach students to talk through their issues and solve them without violence - perhaps because the opportunity to attend that same university on graduation, or others, for that matter, injects some hope into a once hopeless situation. Teaching students non-violent conflict resolution is catching on elsewhere, too.

But I bet, Mindfulness, part of that teaching, is a very bad word in Davis' book.

Sounds like solving problems without guns is a foreign concept for both of you. I rather remember a recent conversation, Captain, where you were advocating the use of nukes - on the innocent to solve the problem of one sub-human being who could likely be taken out by a skilled sniper with a .50 cal sniper rifle.

The problem with public schools, at least as I see it, is not the public schools per se, it is that most of them are run in an archaic fashion. No Child Left Behind, and all that crap.

Then again, with the prevalence of alternative education these days, I would not be surprised if these kids have no understanding of the science behind boiling water and just how much energy it contains.

You have a pervasive problem yourself. I don't know what cloistered environment you come from, but it's always the same story, you think everyone thinks like you, acts like you, and shares your rather naive idealistic values..

I think it's wonderful that you can show an isolated success story. Rome burns, and you still keep hearing that beautiful fiddle music

The reality is, my reality is a lot more prevalent than yours. The center of our country busts its collective a** putting food stamps on the tables of useless worthless animals.

As for "problems with the schools"+-, that's overblown by the fact that this generation's parents are worthless pieces of sh!t themselves.. The schools always get blamed for the failures of the parents. Why, you ask? Because they're incapable of accepting responsibility for their own actions, and certainly not for any failures.

The simple fact of the matter is, in my world, the fed pays for section 8 housing, while the "matriarch" of the family, assists a half dozen grown men sell to crack and heroine out the government sponsored front door. And there are a lot more of those realities in our cities, than whatever Elysian field you're constantly skipping through.

And for what it's worth, our nuking of Japan brought the war to an end. Japanese survivors and liberals love to whimper about out "inhumanity", while conveniently forgetting about such Japanese atrocities as "the death march to Bataan". And of course, you feel for them, while the US is the enemy. Why you ask? Well because you're brainwashed to the point where you think that "political correctness" is a solution, when in reality it's just a cheap whitewash over a plethora of today's massive problems.

As far as a fifty cal, the mushroom headed pampered little sociopath go, that's so obviously an almost impossible and suicidal mission, I still think we need to kick back, and push a couple of buttons.

And as far as throwing boiling water over one another, just how naive are the youth of today? The people on the web starting these, "challenges", are a bunch of sociopathic wolves, preying on the sheepish idi0cy which is pervasive in contemporary US society.

I know you believe when you breed stupid, lazy, irresponsible, fat, and ugly, with its identical counterpart, the school system should take up the slack.and bring geniuses from the cross forward into the future, it ain't happening. What's the "politically correct solution", to this issue? Easy, change the standards for beauty, ideal weight, and then make 4th grade the 7th grade, and you're lookin' good on paper. Fluff up your pillow, you've done a good day's nothing.

As far as the topic goes, the simple fact of the matter is, you can't yell fire in a crowded movie theater and expect protection under the 1st amendment. So, if Google is permitting this nonsense to remain on YouTube, then they need to be prosecuted along with the perpetrators.

I certainly won't disagree that those who started this, even if it is in jest, are sociopathic criminals that should be prosecuted, nor since both you and I agree about gagme, will I disagree that if gagme is leaving this up on YouTub, they also need to be prosecuted - essentially - at least as I see it, it is inciting violence and this is where SCOTUS has drawn the line in the sand about 1st amendment rights.

However, regardless of your position on the majority of humanity, and I also won't say that I disagree there, either, improvement has to start somewhere.

At least a few people out there see that there is something drastically wrong. However, instead of b!tching about it, or worse yet, putting their fingers in their ears and chanting la, la, la, la, la, while continuing to do the same thing without getting different results, they are taking action to do something different.

Maybe you and I won't see the net effect of this in our lifetime, however, maybe someone in some future time on this earth, IF some id!ot somewhere on the planet does not decide that they have no other choice but to push that big red button, things will change.

A better future, even if it does not happen in my lifetime, is something that I would like to think will come to pass. And I think that you, Davis, and anyone here on TS or elsewhere, despite hurled snark and polar opposites in political views, would also like to see a better future. Deep down inside, I am willing to bet that each of those eeking out an existence in any way they can, whether that be through public assistance, or gathering their daily meal in some nomadic tribe in Mongolia or Africa, or going to work every day for a tyrannical boss, all want the same thing - a better life in a harsh world.

One thing is for sure - if all we see is sh!t, then all there will be is sh!t - even if I am paraphrasing Chomsky.

 

[captaincranky]

...[ ]...At least a few people out there see that there is something drastically wrong. However, instead of b!tching about it, or worse yet, putting their fingers in their ears and chanting la, la, la, la, la, while continuing to do the same thing without getting different results, they are taking action to do something different..... [ ]...

Well, that's sort of the paradox. There always have been, are, and certainly will be, "a few good men". But then, you can't water a golf course with a gallon can either.

Homo sapiens is an animal, which uses its power of reason, to delude itself into thinking it is not an animal. The rest of our "excess intelligence", goes into generating ulterior motives for each and every action we take, and then applying "the spin" to achieve the often nefarious, but always subterranean, end goal.

Deep down inside, I am willing to bet that each of those eeking out an existence in any way they can, whether that be through public assistance, or gathering their daily meal in some nomadic tribe in Mongolia or Africa, or going to work every day for a tyrannical boss, all want the same thing - a better life in a harsh world.

That lead statement is, and I fear always will be, the biggest stumbling block in your comprehension of what "human nature" actually is. Some, in fact a great many people, spend their creative efforts toward garnering as many social entitlements as they possibly can, with no intention of ever doing anything else.

Our "school system", particularly that of the higher education persuasion, exists in large part, to profit from training people for occupations that simply may not exist, erstwhile holding its graduates enthrall to massive debt which they may carry throughout their lives.

Therefore, it should come as no surprise that these colleges and universities are willing to put on public shows of their skills, wrapped up and sold as "good works in the community", which in reality, are nothing more than repackaged advertising.

And you're really never done with these schools. After graduation you can count on them to be begging for contributions on a regular basis.

Now, once upon a time, we had "pseudo-intellectual hippes", or, "singer songwriters", if you will, which droned on about the balance, (by "balance", I mean "paradox"), between between what man is, and his lofty but untenable ideals.

It is so completely unlike the music of today, which "tells it like it is", and is integral to certain cultures as an expression of their "identity".

So, with that in mind, "let me entertain you", with some sh!t I dug up from the hip era. Clue though, while it sounds like idealism, it's really a reality check on man's basic nature. Or maybe you have to be stoned to figure that out. Not sure.

Here's the lyrics, directly from the "artist's" website:

A Man for All Seasons
Al Stewart
What if you reached the age of reason
Only to find there was no reprieve
Would you still be a man for all seasons?
Or would you just have to leave
We measure our days out
In steps of uncertainty
Not turning to see how we've come
And peer down the highway
From here to eternity
And reach out for love on the run
While the man for all seasons
Is lost behind the sun

Henry Plantagenet still looks for someone
To bring good news in his hour of doubt
While Thomas More waits in the Tower of London
Watching the sands running out
And measures the hours out
From here to oblivion
In actions that can't be undone
A sailor through the darkness
He scans the meridian
And caught by the first rays of dawn
The man for all seasons
Is lost beneath the storm

And I should know by now
I should know by now
I hear them call it out all around
Oh, they go
There's nothing to believe in
Hear them,
Just daydreams, deceiving
They'll just let you down

What if you reached the age of reason
Only to find there was no reprieve
Would you still be a man for all seasons?
Or would you just disbelieve?

We measure our gains out in luck and coincidence
Lanterns to turn back the night
And put our defeats down to chance or experience
And try once again for the light
Some wait for the waters of fortune to cover them
Some just see the tides of ill chance running over them

Some call on Jehovah
Some cry out to Allah
Some wait for the boats that still row to Valhallah
Well, you should try to accept what the fates are unfolding
While some say they're sure where the blame should be falling
You look round for maybe a chance of forestalling
Bot too soon its over and done
And the man for all seasons
Is lost behind the sun

And a direct link to Mr. Stewart's website, to prove that it's a public file, and no infringement is taking place.

Here's the tune as it exists on his album:

And if you're interested, I agree wholeheartedly that there isn't anywhere near enough vulgarity, profanity, or racial slurs in it, to render it relevant to today's culture.

The piano intros back into the verses are probably a bit too pompous as well....

BTW, there's only one "E", in that definition or usage of "eke"... (uh, huh, Websters says so): https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eke out So we're clear, my first guess was "eeking" as well, but spell check strongly disagreed

Here's a nice article from Time mag about the state of American government, (and its citizens): http://time.com/4327424/idiocracy/

 

[Bubbajim]

And I repeat ..... these are the actions of our future leaders ....... God help us all!

Nah, no one's voting for Burny McBurnface in the 2032 elections.

 

[gamerk2]

This sadly isn't this shocking; children are hardwired toward social acceptance; they'll do basically anything in order to accomplish that goal. In almost every instance, you see people doing this due to pressure from either a peer or a superior (generally older sibling).

 

[wiyosaya]

...[ ]...At least a few people out there see that there is something drastically wrong. However, instead of b!tching about it, or worse yet, putting their fingers in their ears and chanting la, la, la, la, la, while continuing to do the same thing without getting different results, they are taking action to do something different..... [ ]...

Well, that's sort of the paradox. There always have been, are, and certainly will be, "a few good men". But then, you can't water a golf course with a gallon can either.

Homo sapiens is an animal, which uses its power of reason, to delude itself into thinking it is not an animal. The rest of our "excess intelligence", goes into generating ulterior motives for each and every action we take, and then applying "the spin" to achieve the often nefarious, but always subterranean, end goal.

Deep down inside, I am willing to bet that each of those eeking out an existence in any way they can, whether that be through public assistance, or gathering their daily meal in some nomadic tribe in Mongolia or Africa, or going to work every day for a tyrannical boss, all want the same thing - a better life in a harsh world.

That lead statement is, and I fear always will be, the biggest stumbling block in your comprehension of what "human nature" actually is. Some, in fact a great many people, spend their creative efforts toward garnering as many social entitlements as they possibly can, with no intention of ever doing anything else.

Our "school system", particularly that of the higher education persuasion, exists in large part, to profit from training people for occupations that simply may not exist, erstwhile holding its graduates enthrall to massive debt which they may carry throughout their lives.

Therefore, it should come as no surprise that these colleges and universities are willing to put on public shows of their skills, wrapped up and sold as "good works in the community", which in reality, are nothing more than repackaged advertising.

And you're really never done with these schools. After graduation you can count on them to be begging for contributions on a regular basis.

Now, once upon a time, we had "pseudo-intellectual hippes", or, "singer songwriters", if you will, which droned on about the balance, (by "balance", I mean "paradox"), between between what man is, and his lofty but untenable ideals.

It is so completely unlike the music of today, which "tells it like it is", and is integral to certain cultures as an expression of their "identity".

So, with that in mind, "let me entertain you", with some sh!t I dug up from the hip era. Clue though, while it sounds like idealism, it's really a reality check on man's basic nature. Or maybe you have to be stoned to figure that out. Not sure.

Here's the lyrics, directly from the "artist's" website:

A Man for All Seasons
Al Stewart
What if you reached the age of reason
Only to find there was no reprieve
Would you still be a man for all seasons?
Or would you just have to leave
We measure our days out
In steps of uncertainty
Not turning to see how we've come
And peer down the highway
From here to eternity
And reach out for love on the run
While the man for all seasons
Is lost behind the sun

Henry Plantagenet still looks for someone
To bring good news in his hour of doubt
While Thomas More waits in the Tower of London
Watching the sands running out
And measures the hours out
From here to oblivion
In actions that can't be undone
A sailor through the darkness
He scans the meridian
And caught by the first rays of dawn
The man for all seasons
Is lost beneath the storm

And I should know by now
I should know by now
I hear them call it out all around
Oh, they go
There's nothing to believe in
Hear them,
Just daydreams, deceiving
They'll just let you down

What if you reached the age of reason
Only to find there was no reprieve
Would you still be a man for all seasons?
Or would you just disbelieve?

We measure our gains out in luck and coincidence
Lanterns to turn back the night
And put our defeats down to chance or experience
And try once again for the light
Some wait for the waters of fortune to cover them
Some just see the tides of ill chance running over them

Some call on Jehovah
Some cry out to Allah
Some wait for the boats that still row to Valhallah
Well, you should try to accept what the fates are unfolding
While some say they're sure where the blame should be falling
You look round for maybe a chance of forestalling
Bot too soon its over and done
And the man for all seasons
Is lost behind the sun

And a direct link to Mr. Stewart's website, to prove that it's a public file, and no infringement is taking place.

Here's the tune as it exists on his album:

And if you're interested, I agree wholeheartedly that there isn't anywhere near enough vulgarity, profanity, or racial slurs in it, to render it relevant to today's culture.

The piano intros back into the verses are probably a bit too pompous as well....

BTW, there's only one "E", in that definition or usage of "eke"... (uh, huh, Websters says so): https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/eke out So we're clear, my first guess was "eeking" as well, but spell check strongly disagreed

Here's a nice article from Time mag about the state of American government, (and its citizens): http://time.com/4327424/idiocracy/

Like I said, if all you see is sh!t, then all there will be is sh!t.

 

[TheBigT42]

Humanity is doomed

 

[EndRessentiment]

Culture is a byproduct of biology. People willing to douse themselves or others in boiling water for fun aren't capable of identifying "stupid culture." If you can't identify observably stupid practices, you weren't selected for base intelligence.

Sure. In an important sense culture derives from biology. What I meant is that this has to do with culture much more so than genes. It was a response to those bringing up Darwin and natural selection. The thing is, natural selection by itself will not erase these idiocies at all, though there is a minute chance it will when thousands of years have passed.

Being intelligent will decrease the chances of committing these kinds of stupidities, but it will by no means make one immune. One (certainly a kid) can contract a "cultural disease" regardless of intelligence - at least, what we normally mean by it - or even "base intelligence". Someone's susciptibility to social influences and desire for status doesn't depend strongly on intelligence.

 

[davislane1]

Someone's susciptibility to social influences and desire for status doesn't depend strongly on intelligence.

Yes it does. Peer pressure and influence are dependent on bypassing intelligence by manipulating base emotions (need for approval, status, etc.) and impulse control. The higher g is, the less of an impact these things have on shaping behavior. You can see this relationship in any social environment where the same social pressures are placed on people who belong to different IQ groups.

Another example is decision time preferences, short verses long. Higher g corresponds to longer time preferences (greater propensity for delayed gratification) where as lower g corresponds to the opposite.

Which time preference do you think is at play with these otherwise pointless challenges?

More to the point, when cultures become self-destructive (as American culture has become) lower intelligence compounds the problem and things like the tide pod challenge or hot water challenge cease to be ultra niche and instead become mainstream, because there is a higher percentage of people lacking the necessary smarts to add 1 and 1.

It's nature + nurture, and both are on the decline.

 

[wiyosaya]

Yes it does. Peer pressure and influence are dependent on bypassing intelligence by manipulating base emotions (need for approval, status, etc.) and impulse control. The higher g is, the less of an impact these things have on shaping behavior. You can see this relationship in any social environment where the same social pressures are placed on people who belong to different IQ groups.

Another example is decision time preferences, short verses long. Higher g corresponds to longer time preferences (greater propensity for delayed gratification) where as lower g corresponds to the opposite.

Which time preference do you think is at play with these otherwise pointless challenges?

More to the point, when cultures become self-destructive (as American culture has become) lower intelligence compounds the problem and things like the tide pod challenge or hot water challenge cease to be ultra niche and instead become mainstream, because there is a higher percentage of people lacking the necessary smarts to add 1 and 1.

It's nature + nurture, and both are on the decline.

Did your research, eh? Interesting to see you stating peer pressures will exist no matter the educational basis. But I suppose, given the seemingly well-informed nature of these comments, you were being sarcastic as opposed to spouting a narrative?

 

[captaincranky]

Like I said, if all you see is sh!t, then all there will be is sh!t.

Like I said, if all there is to see is sh!t, then that's all you have to look at.

You're simply too naive, too pampered, too aloof, and too afraid to see the world as it really is.

Pretty soon you might have to chuck the rose colored glasses, and move on to welding goggles. Sorry, they don't come in pink.

 

[Bubbajim]

Yes it does. Peer pressure and influence are dependent on bypassing intelligence by manipulating base emotions (need for approval, status, etc.) and impulse control. The higher g is, the less of an impact these things have on shaping behavior. You can see this relationship in any social environment where the same social pressures are placed on people who belong to different IQ groups.

Another example is decision time preferences, short verses long. Higher g corresponds to longer time preferences (greater propensity for delayed gratification) where as lower g corresponds to the opposite.

Which time preference do you think is at play with these otherwise pointless challenges?

More to the point, when cultures become self-destructive (as American culture has become) lower intelligence compounds the problem and things like the tide pod challenge or hot water challenge cease to be ultra niche and instead become mainstream, because there is a higher percentage of people lacking the necessary smarts to add 1 and 1.

It's nature + nurture, and both are on the decline.

You seem to like to throw in a mix of factual information with opinions cross-dressing as facts. The bit about intelligence correlating with delayed gratification is right, and the stuff around peer pressure and influence in your first paragraph are kind of half right, but then you just go off piste with "when cultures become self-destructive (as American culture has become", or by suggesting that things like the tide pod challenge or hot water challenge are or will become mainstream.

Every generation has had their *******. But you, me and all our peers aren't gone from the face of the Earth, just because we saw Johnny Knoxville do some dumb stuff.

Also, what does this mean?

It's nature + nurture, and both are on the decline.

 

[captaincranky]

...[ ]....It's nature + nurture, and both are on the decline.

...[ ]...Also, what does this mean?

Human beings are seriously afflicted with the notion that they are not animals.After all, it says so right in the first chapter of the bible.

So, not being animals means that humans are not subject to the rules of genetics. In other words, if you breed stupid with stupid, you should get several geniuses out of the cross, right?

As far as the nurture aspect of the equation goes, if daddy is slinging five dollar bags of crack on the corner, and mommy has the kid's baby daddy's name tattooed on her a**, but doesn't have his name on the child's birth certificate, that child should grow up with a full ride to Yale, right?

Well, if said child doesn't get killed by one of his or her siblings, by the 9 mil that daddy left on the dining room table, while he was over banging mommy last night.

Of course these are issues brought on by society as a whole. Principally, by ghetto children not having "parity in schools" with those of the suburbs.

I keep saying that if those in the ghetto paid taxes, instead of receiving money which could be used to improve schools as social entitlements, then they would have a shot at better schools. But then, what do I know?

And by the way, genetics don't make people fat either:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTO_gene

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics_of_obesity

So that means if you breed fat with fat, you should get a Victoria's Secret super model.

But then, nurture kicks in, and the parents stuff the little darling's face to make absolutely certain it looks like then, by the time its ready for first grade.

Well either that, or start a grass roots campaign to make people realize that 300 pound women are where it's really at, beauty wise, that is. After all, if yo b!tch ain't twice the size of the average Sus domesticus sow, then yo ain't nobody.

This couple was harboring their fugitive grandson when Philly SWAT tried to serve a warrant. The next thing you know, grandpa was shooting at the cops, and later, another family member was getting her 15 minutes of fame telling reporters, "we just want answers as to why dad was shot and killed by the police".

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/p...wounded-swat-warrant-germantown-20180806.html

See, I think it must be racially motivated, since the officer who was shot by grandpa, was black, as was grandpa.

How would you like me to spin modern society's failings to make it palatable to your social sensitivites? I mean, what you think really matters to me.

Oh and BTW, just because I took sociology and criminology in college, is no reason for me to think I know anything about them. After all, I only took them, as electives.

 

[davislane1]

You seem to like to throw in a mix of factual information with opinions cross-dressing as facts.

I didn't state a single opinion in that response. Everything I said was pulled straight from college psychology classes, relevant statistics, and world history. If you're going to dispute something, demonstrate where its wrong. "You're just mixing fact with opinion" isn't an argument.

Every generation has had their *******. But you, me and all our peers aren't gone from the face of the Earth, just because we saw Johnny Knoxville do some dumb stuff.

Also, what does this mean?

I'm saying the environment is selecting for lower intelligence, which is a bad thing for advanced civilizations.

Lower intelligence doesn't mean a population disappears. It means it can't sustain high-IQ norms.

 

[wiyosaya]

Like I said, if all there is to see is sh!t, then that's all you have to look at.

You're simply too naive, too pampered, too aloof, and too afraid to see the world as it really is.

Pretty soon you might have to chuck the rose colored glasses, and move on to welding goggles. Sorry, they don't come in pink.

Captain, perhaps it is time for you to chuck those brown smeared glasses? And how is your silicon dioxide contained ethanol any different, other than being legal, from the plastic bags that you see being exchanged in your local public schools? You have your way to your wonderful world just like everyone else. Maybe someday, you'll overcome your anger and find some gratitude for something in your life.

 

[captaincranky]

Captain, perhaps it is time for you to chuck those brown smeared glasses? And how is your silicon dioxide contained ethanol any different, other than being legal, from the plastic bags that you see being exchanged in your local public schools? You have your way to your wonderful world just like everyone else. Maybe someday, you'll overcome your anger and find some gratitude for something in your life.

Well, first of all, I'm not addicted to alcohol. I confess I buy a magnum of Bacardi's "Oak Heart" seasoned rum, about once every 2 1/2 to 3 months.

But, I don't resell it to minors in an attempt to get them addicted, or take people's food stamps off them as payment for it..

That's the BIG difference. You know what they say, "ask a stupid question, and you'll get an answer you can't handle".

You keep running your yap about how I should take my glasses, tinted as they might be, off. I keep thinking you should yank you head out of your a**, and come down here and see how the other 9/10th lives...

 

[wiyosaya]

Well, first of all, I'm not addicted to alcohol. I confess I buy a magnum of Bacardi's "Oak Heart" seasoned rum, about once every 2 1/2 to 3 months.

But, I don't resell it to minors in an attempt to get them addicted, or take people's food stamps off them as payment for it..

That's the BIG difference. You know what they say, "ask a stupid question, and you'll get an answer you can't handle".

You keep running your yap about how I should take my glasses, tinted as they might be, off. I keep thinking you should yank you head out of your a**, and come down here and see how the other 9/10th lives...

Well, that's my point Captain. Maybe your experience is not everyone's experience as you think it is. What you see does not reflect what everyone sees.

So go right ahead. Keep on pi$$ing about just how bad things are in your part of the world and how that reflects how bad it is everywhere for everyone and that you know it is so because it is that way in your neighborhood and, therefore, it must be that bad elsewhere.

And keep pi$$ing about how part of your SS income goes to those who do not deserve it and game the system to get it. And keep pi$$ing that no one is doing anything about it - even when there are those out there that are making an effort to do something. Do you somehow think things are going to change if no one does anything about it? Is that your motto? Sit on your a$$, pi$$, and moan, do nothing and expect things to somehow miraculously change?

You sound like an angry person. However bad you think you have it, it could be worse for you. I don't think I need to say anymore because you are imprisoned in your hell.

Always a pleasure, Captain!

 

[wiyosaya]

@captaincranky besides, if I did come down there, you'd probably yell something at me like "I'll show you how bad it is" and then I would be wearing one of your bullets.