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House approves CISPA cybersecurity bill, Microsoft backpedals support

By Rick ¬∑ 41 replies
Apr 30, 2012
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  1. Despite the administration's threat to veto the bill, the U.S. House of Representatives approved the controverisal cyber-survellience legislation late last week by a vote of 248 to 168. CISPA, the Cyber...

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  2. veLa

    veLa TS Evangelist Posts: 854   +301

  3. Thus America continues the role of state controlled - ahem i mean democracy related causes that instill confidence in buisnesses...

    Amendments are overriding the bill set down by the forefathers, sadly this continues all for the "welfare and security" of its citizens with no end in sght. Just mention either one of the two words terrorism or patriotism and a bill is passed.

    Sorry USA i think there is a lot of great ppl and morales in that country but you are allowing your govt to become a state run consortium of corporations.
  4. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,552   +544

    I think we should use the same laws that protects are privacy when mailing information. No ones seems to complain about there privacy being invaded while using the post office so I am going to assume it would be a good place to look for an idea of how things should be on the net.
  5. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,914   +3,977

    Oh yeah, you're obviously correct in every way. Which is not to say you aren't decades late in your observation. A term has already been coined, and is in common use to describe this form of government.....(wait for it)........"CAPITALISM"...........!

    As with many other entities in this, "the millennium of true enlightenment and tolerance", it's merely dragged itself out of the closet to unashamedly face the light of day. (so to speak)
  6. RubinOnRye

    RubinOnRye TS Enthusiast Posts: 58

    HEY, Obama. Want to be a bada$$ and get voters to support you, VETO this bill and talk about how you Vetoed this bill and I am sure you will be president for another 4 years.
  7. Wendig0

    Wendig0 TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,146   +142

    It would take a helluva lot more out of him than vetoing this to get my support. It amazes me how many people are still drinking his kool-aid.
  8. Trying to prevent file sharing is like trying to prevent a humanitarian cause; it is simply shameful and abhorrent.
  9. Those people who go out of their way to share what they have with others are truly deserving of genuine respect.
  10. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,007   +18

    Very true. And besides, if you look at newspapers of yore, you see the very same headlines, accusing the very same people of the very same things. Politics were no different then than they are now.
  11. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,914   +3,977

    You know, here in PA, we had Rick Santorum as a state senator. He was so psychotic, so right wing, so detached from what real people really wanted, that he was voted out of office........by a "landslide"...!

    So, how middle America latched on to this plastic facade of a human being, and made a "viable presidential candidate", will remain, at least to me), an enduring mystery. And keep in mind, if he hadn't dropped out of the race, people would still be voting for him in droves.To most people, his published issues with genetic defects in the family evoke sympathy. To me, it evokes suspicion of inbreeding.

    And then we have the sociopath Gingrich, who announced with a cavalier flourish months ago, "I think it's no secret that I will be the republican nominee".

    Which brings us to Mitt Romney. Much of his "support", comes not from people who agree with his platform, or even like him, but merely that he stands the best chance of beating Obama in the fall.

    American politics has become more of an issue of who to vote against, rather than who to vote for.

    It's really a shame that Sarah Palin isn't running for president this term. Then you could cast your "decisive" vote, for a carping, nasal, nagging, fish mongering caricature of a "politician". One that simply couldn't be bothered to finish her term as governor Alaska, because there is way more money in the private sector.

    Maybe you'd prefer a swig of her "Koolaid". Go for the "John McCain, I left the best part of me in North Vietnam for you", flavor.
  12. crazy those people not wanting to be traced or monitored or logged have the means in many ways to stay such but your average joe's privacy is now compromised in everything they do nowadays.
  13. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,914   +3,977

    That's mostly a good point. Although, in the past, you could save on postage, ("2nd Class"), by not sealing the envelope. Many people used it for Christmas cards. At least for the ones with no money inside....:eek:

    With all of that said, I find it more amusing how the people that believe they are so forward thinking, trumpet how "snail mail" is dead, and how avant garde and hip they are for not using it.

    Then they come here with, (as my father used to say, "tears as big as horse turds"), to moan about anti privacy internet legislation.
  14. Scshadow

    Scshadow TS Evangelist Posts: 565   +206

    Yet another person that doesn't know what capitalism is. Capitalism is the driving force of our economy. Its the idea that competition forces us to reinvent ourselves to better our businesses in order to stay competitive. Capitalism isn't a form of government. What the problem is, the government is supposed to be there to prevent capitalism from overstepping its bounds. To make sure it doesn't infringe on the rights of consumers and employees. Instead we have politicians on *both* sides selling out. So please STFU about capitalism unless you've got a clue. Keep on drinking that liberal kool-aid though, it seems to make you happy. But really, if you want all businesses to be owned by the government and if you want the government to force you to buy the only option they provide, then seriously keep on demonizing capitalism. Just realize when the government is socialist their is no reason for anyone to do anything. If iphone was owned by the government, you'd still not have multitasking. If IE was owned by the government, you'd still have IE 6 and no firefox/chrome/opera/safari. If the horse drawn carriage was owned by the government, we wouldn't have cars.
  15. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,552   +544


    Only fools fall for the right vs left smoke screen. Both sides are scum, paid for by lobbyists and campaign contributions from corporations. Please stop parroting the news and think for yourselves. I think its sweden that cuts out the political middle men, if we did the same we would be much better off. The people vote on everything there are no politicians.

    The left is not socialist the right are not nazis anyone who believes that is delusional, welcome to America.

    Captain is right in saying that some or heck maybe many take capitalism to the extreme that it is ok to buy our politicians. And the guy above me(scshadow) is also right that capitalism's original meaning did not go into politics IF I remember right.

    I don't think anyone is really against capitalism in America, but when they use it as a excuse to turn are politicians into puppets well f that.
  16. You forgot about the only right choice, the only one who cares about what is best for the people and not his big corporation friends - Ron Paul
  17. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,914   +3,977

    I always have to laugh at people like yourself, that simply can't abide a conflicting opinion. And then go on to rail against "governmental totalitarianism", while in the meantime, telling others with opposite opinions to, "STFU".. Seems really hypocritical. At the very least, it shows a lack of insight into one's own behavior.

    Capitalism is prevailing, in spite of people like me who "don't understand it". For Example, Apple corporation is providing hundreds of thousands of jobs in China, and exporting American "capital" to fund them. Then there's Walmart, another chief exporter of American money and jobs , and last but not least, the RIAA & MPAA, capitalist lobbying entities supreme, buying the support of politicians right and left, (pun intended) "protecting the entertainment industry's sovereign right, to pump out whatever crap they want, at whatever price they can milk out of the public".

    Oh hell, who doesn't know that. At least speaking for myself, I pointed that out in a prior post. I seem to have failed to be explicit enough about my disdain for the left.

    Here we differ. The only compromise either side makes away from their "core values", is when they're pandering to a specific demographic for their voting support. What you are correct in stating is, that both sides will serve themselves, not their constituents, after they are elected.

    I like to think of the conflict in terms of idealism versus reality thus . Contemplate a person with 2 heads, one in the clouds, and one up his **s. The indecision and uncertainty brought on by this dilemma, leaves this poor wretch endlessly longing for relief, yet all he receives is the command to switch his two head's places.

    And everybody thought Sysiphus had a tough life.
  18. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,914   +3,977

    Perhaps I did. But with that said, he's the only one who stands head and shoulders above the rest, as having absolutely no chance whatsoever, of being elected. In which case, I'd by pissing my vote away. And as selfish or pointless as that may sound, I'd rather save that vote, to vote against the someone of my "choice".
  19. Marnomancer

    Marnomancer TS Booster Posts: 709   +52

    For the love of all that's holy, when will this stop? Those deaf to pleas need a big -KABOOM!-
  20. Don't care about people's privacy? People supporting these bills should be taken to their town center and have their clothes ripped from their body, then tie a belt around their waist and hang them from a flagpole for thousands of bystanders to see.
  21. psycros

    psycros TS Evangelist Posts: 2,707   +2,503

    And if you read far enough you'll come to the part where the government can selectively render companies and individuals immune to these new intrusions. And naturally ALL congressmen and cabinet level officials get a pass. Welcome to the United Soviet States of America!
  22. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 14,914   +3,977

    A bit harsh, don't cha think?

    Gosh, where's a moderator when you actually need one?:confused:
  23. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 3,160   +1,413

    Captain, while I appreciate knowing there's another reader of this site who can see the forest for the trees, you may be wasting your time. Once the mob has made up their mind there is no changing it, regardless of evidence, logic, or lack of either. Thinking for yourself is hard. Even harder when you've been letting the internet do it for you your whole life and never learned the skill in the first place. I'd bet my paycheck you're over age 35 and learned to think in a world that required it.

    This bill passed days ago, yet shows up now. Why so late? Maybe because it's no big deal at all. Here's why.... Obama publically announced before the House voted that he would veto this bill. This allows any House member to vote for it, tell their lobbyist friends that they voted for it, continue to get their support, and know full well the whole time that it won't pass.
  24. Night Hacker

    Night Hacker TS Enthusiast Posts: 125   +20

    Seriously, what part of your privacy do you think would be terrible if the government knew about it? Your Facebook posts about the awesome pizza you had last night? Your emails about how Aunt Thelma may have cancer? Or your phone number which is freely available in any phone book?

    Do you REALLY think you're that important?

    I think people are far too paranoid.
  25. Marnomancer

    Marnomancer TS Booster Posts: 709   +52

    Maybe, Night Hacker, but the point is, who can get their hands on this information after the government has a copy of it. Credit card numbers to sensitive/classified business plans/information, everything would be at risk of falling into the wrong hands. And the main truth is, this has nothing to do with actual privacy, but this bill is meant for censorship. You know that means. The moment you embarrass the government by showing them their crimes, you're a terrorist.
  26. R2D2B9

    R2D2B9 TS Member Posts: 64

    Big Brother is Watching!...can you say Skynet?

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