Huawei files new motion in its lawsuit against 'unconstitutional' US ban

[Bendigo]

It's really quite simple the Chinese are Barbarians and should not be traded with at all until they treat their people better than chattel. Any kind of sanction that any country in the world decides to raise against China is perfectly fine until they decide to become civilized and join the free world people should not be treated as slaves and children should have childhoods not work as slaves.

Yep, China is pretty much a prison country.

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per 100,000. Yep the US is basically a prison country

 

[QuantumPhysics]

Constitution?

Our own Congress ignores the constitution.

You'll get no "justice" here.

Did you see the guy who started these tariffs? LOL

 

[mailpup]

The US constitution only protects US citizens, not foreign citizens in another country.

Technically it protects everyone in the U.S., citizen or not. Of course, not in other countries as you said.

 

[trparky]

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per 100,000. Yep the US is basically a prison country

Yeah but at least here in the US you're not forced to work until you die or off you go to get some "reeducation" like what happens all the time in China.

Step out of line? Off the "reeducation" camp.
Spoke out against your government? Off the "reeducation" camp.
Did something in private that the government doesn't like? Off the "reeducation" camp.
Didn't work hard enough today? Off the "reeducation" camp.
Said something bad about your neighbor? Off the "reeducation" camp.
Participate in an anti-government rally? Get rolled over by a tank. (See 1989 Tiananmen Square protest)

This is China. This is not a country you want to support. Their government keeps people enslaved and in a perpetual state of surveillance.

 

[JaredTheDragon]

This is China. This is not a country you want to support. Their government keeps people enslaved and in a perpetual state of surveillance.

Uhm it's exactly the same here, buddy. It's no different, and it's not even prettier. Replace "reeducation camps" with "prison system" and the differences evaporate alongside your patriotism.

 

[Lounds]

Quite obvious this is all about the US keeping market dominance in the world. China is the most efficient country in the world and deserves to dominate the markets, it's also the biggest investor in Africa, where's the US investment in Africa apart from a few billionaires who do it for tax exemptions.

 

[captaincranky]

So accusing a foreigner without the need to produce indisputable proof is fair game now? How is this different from dictatorship?

Whether it is or isn't, (I say it is), sort of doesn't matter. I find the irony of a company representing a totalitarian regime, attempting to leverage the use of the US Constitution in its favor , pitiable, desperate, despicable, and disingenuous.

I think they should hold Huawei's cute little China doll in Gitmo for a few months, until her case hits the docket.

 

[Knot Schure]

You really are starting to sound like you work for a chinese company trying to deflect the fact that the Barbarians in China are not fit to trade with for any reason. They are a bunch of uncivilized dirtbags and until they clean up their act no one in the civilized world should trade with them.

Actually Sir, you have me 100% wrong, I work in China, and have been trying to warn people about the place for 20 years.

Not the other way around.

If you read my post - it basically says that the legal actions of China in court today, would only serve China better, as they would like to know who is ratting them out.

And we shouldn't let them.

 

[loki1944]

Go ahead, I don't care. As long as they exist in China as a registered business they are an arm of a dictatorship, specifically the Communist Party of China, they are a privacy risk that makes Facebook and Google look like amateurs. You can't even take a piss in China without someone inside the government knowing that you did. Do we really want that kind of company building network infrastructure in the US? Nope, nope, nope.

Exactly.

 

[captaincranky]

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per 100,000. Yep the US is basically a prison country

You should vouch for some of our, "unfairly imprisoned" inmates, take a few in, let them stay in your back bedroom. Well, either that or just shut up while you're not ahead.

Because otherwise, you're no better than these, "right to life" fanatics. Nobody should be allowed to have an abortion, .but those clowns don't want to pay for or adopt the children they "save". I think their motto is, "you can save every puppy in the pound, if you coerce other people to do it for you".

The point is, that there is a great deal of individual freedom in the US. Freedom which allows the individual to follow the law, or completely disregard it. Since there is more potential to stray, there is an equal opportunity to be locked up for doing so.

**** your statistics.

 

[kenc1101]

Unconstitutional? Really? That doesn't even make sense... The US can choose to allow or not allow foreign businesses to operate in their country; it is there prerogative. There's hundreds of thousands of other businesses in China most likely that are not banned, so obviously this ONE company is doing something that bothers the US to justify banning them.

Now if the US banned a specific US company from doing business without legal reasons then THAT might be unconstitutional; but this is a foreign company - don't even need a reason. The US constitution only protects US citizens, not foreign citizens in another country.

Came here to say this. If NDAA is declared unconstitutional it would set a very dangerous precedent and strip the U.S. of it's ability to protect itself against dangerous foreign entities.

 

[MaitieS]

Go ahead, I don't care. As long as they exist in China as a registered business they are an arm of a dictatorship, specifically the Communist Party of China, they are a privacy risk that makes Facebook and Google look like amateurs. You can't even take a piss in China without someone inside the government knowing that you did. Do we really want that kind of company building network infrastructure in the US? Nope, nope, nope.

This is why I always laugh on US citizen. You are acting like other countries are more dangerous and that you should be fine in your own US state but NO bro. You are even more watched but they never told it to you. So wake up and stop blaming China for what they are doing when US is doing this but all over the world cuz if you would have at least basic knowledge you would know why all BIG firms like Apple, Google, Microsoft etc. are in US.

 

[akamateau]

Go ahead, I don't care. As long as they exist in China as a registered business they are an arm of a dictatorship, specifically the Communist Party of China, they are a privacy risk that makes Facebook and Google look like amateurs. You can't even take a piss in China without someone inside the government knowing that you did. Do we really want that kind of company building network infrastructure in the US? Nope, nope, nope.

The burden of proof is upon TRUMP. Huawei will likely win this as simply declaring that Huawei is a threat to the US does not prove that Huawei is a threat.

Courts require proof.

Huawei will also argue that they were a year or two ahead of US companies in providing and deploying 5g technology and that the ban was nothing but an attempt to eliminate business competition.

And lastly China is not a dictatorship. Regardless of what you think.

 

[akamateau]

There is a good possibility that Huawei will win. The Court will likely require Trump to prove his assertion. There is no proof that Huawei is a threat to the US.

They are competitive and they are a year or so ahead of US companies in the deployment of 5g but that is it. Trump can not ban a company because they have a better product. He can only ban Huawei if he can PROVE his assertion.

It is quite likely the courts will rule against Trump again just as they have ruled against his other executive orders and decrees.

 

[m3tavision]

Don't make this about Trump, make it about China...

China is trying to sells Phones to the world, using stolen technology. Trump didn't make the edict that China can't be trusted, the US state Department said it... because they have proof. As well as everyone else in the world.


US President (Trump) wants a fair playing field, while China wants to keep stealing technology so their Citizens don't have to suffer building a country from the ground up.... so they just rob other Countries of their wealth. They honor nobody and have no morals.

So they will suffer on the world stage. And rightly so..!

 

[m3tavision]

The US constitution only protects US citizens, not foreign citizens in another country.

Technically it protects everyone in the U.S., citizen or not. Of course, not in other countries as you said.

No, the Constitution only serves the Citizens of the US, while laws protect everyone. If you are not a citizen, then you have no rights of a citizenship, protected by the US constitution.

You learn all of this in 8th grade Civics.

 

[m3tavision]

Good luck Huawei, you will need it when dealing with idi*ts and USA legislation.
I can only imagine how Huawei employees feel when they are marked as spies (or people living in China in general) and on the other hand USA citizens being called all kind of rude words because they live in a country where legislation makers act the way they did.
Even as no Huawei device owner, not USA or China citizen I find this situation pretty damn stupid and rude.

But it sure makes a lot of room for people that do not understand even the basic of technology to hijack news with "truth" and speculations.

Bro, have you evAr heard of the Communist Party of China?

Everyone in the entire Country, works for the Government. Anything you have, it is because they allowed it. All Corporation are Government controlled! CEO's are beholden to the Communist Party. Their Citizen are not allowed to have an Opinion, Period! Let alone, be concerned with what other people are thinking.

Look at what China has done over the last 50 years, is utilize all their manpower, to steal the worlds technology to use as they see fit. Without care for intellectual rights, Patents, or with any moral compass.

The Citizens didn't choose this, their SINGLE leader did. NOW it is time to pay the price and the World is going to turn on China. President Xi, will not be able to provide sustained growth and the Citizens will reform their Country into a Democracy... and learn to get along with their neighbors in earnest. And not the canned Chinese smile, while stealing your braintrust. Plenty of books on the subject...

Huawei routers & are banned in the US, because Comcast and other network providers noticed suspicious activity and the Defense department investigated and placed a ban on all Huawei communication devices, etc. Same with ZTE phones..

Now they are going after the company and promoting Europe to ban them too... China is stealing the world's technology and using it's own Companies to do so.

dERP!

 

[kenc1101]

You should vouch for some of our, "unfairly imprisoned" inmates, take a few in, let them stay in your back bedroom. Well, either that or just shut up while you're not ahead.

Because otherwise, you're no better than these, "right to life" fanatics. Nobody should be allowed to have an abortion, .but those clowns don't want to pay for or adopt the children they "save". I think their motto is, "you can save every puppy in the pound, if you coerce other people to do it for you".

The point is, that there is a great deal of individual freedom in the US. Freedom which allows the individual to follow the law, or completely disregard it. Since there is more potential to stray, there is an equal opportunity to be locked up for doing so.

**** your statistics.

Not sure how your abortion argument is even relevant to the post you commented on or the article but since you went down that rabbit hole......Have you ever looked into the difference in cost between an abortion and adoption? They're not even in the same league. A teenager could pay for an abortion with his allowance. An adoption is in the tens of thousands of dollars. A very expensive and time consuming practice. There's also the argument that if you can't afford a child maybe you can't afford to be doing the things that create them.

 

[captaincranky]

I was replying to this member:

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per 100,000. Yep the US is basically a prison country

And apparently you decided to take up the cudgels. That sort of a rabbit hole in and of itself.

Not sure how your abortion argument is even relevant to the post you commented on or the article but since you went down that rabbit hole......Have you ever looked into the difference in cost between an abortion and adoption? They're not even in the same league. A teenager could pay for an abortion with his allowance. An adoption is in the tens of thousands of dollars. A very expensive and time consuming practice. There's also the argument that if you can't afford a child maybe you can't afford to be doing the things that create them.

Incidentally, the numbers of people incarcerated in the US has absolutely nothing to do with a civil lawsuit filed by Huawei in US Federal court. So, you beat me to being off topic. Congratulations

If you think we have too many prisoners, you should "adopt" some.

You are railing against our incarceration numbers, in the same senseless manner our "right to Life" groups are railing against our abortion numbers. If you think we have too many "harmless people" in our prisons,you should be prepared to take on the responsibility of caring for them, trusting them in your home, and with you property.

As for your monumentally naive and misinformed comment on abortion, "A teenager could pay for an abortion with >>his<< allowance". Guess what, it's not human males who need abortions, it's the females.

Here, refer to this page on "sexual dimorphism": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism for some valuable info on, "the birds and the bees. Did you know that you can tell a human male from a female by the exaggerated brow ridge? I didn't think so,.

Let's move to "population control by self restraint". Look how well that has worked out for China, India, Pakistan, and numerous other the countries around the world.

You should take that concept on a world tour. Your message? "There's too many of us people, l;et's keep those zippers up".

Incidentally, I've heard the same reproductive advice distributed since I hit puberty, 57 years ago. You haven't thought of anything new, you're just mouthing the words you heard from mommy & daddy.. How about if you keep your zipper up, and play with your X-Box til nobody wants to date you. Now that's my idea of "effective birth control".

 

[ghostf1re]

Go ahead, I don't care. As long as they exist in China as a registered business they are an arm of a dictatorship, specifically the Communist Party of China, they are a privacy risk that makes Facebook and Google look like amateurs. You can't even take a piss in China without someone inside the government knowing that you did. Do we really want that kind of company building network infrastructure in the US? Nope, nope, nope.

Under that ideology, the rest of the world shouldn't trust American Companies either? Specially after all the NSA leaks?

I don't mind Huawei getting banned if there is evidence to suggest they do spy for the Chinese government. As far as I'm aware though, there is no evidence that's been released at all. They need us more than we need them, so why would they break that trust?

I don't care how these other countries deal with their business dealings. I only care about what my country (America) does with its business dealings. I personally agree with his comment through and through.

 

[ghostf1re]

Go ahead, I don't care. As long as they exist in China as a registered business they are an arm of a dictatorship, specifically the Communist Party of China, they are a privacy risk that makes Facebook and Google look like amateurs. You can't even take a piss in China without someone inside the government knowing that you did. Do we really want that kind of company building network infrastructure in the US? Nope, nope, nope.

This is why I always laugh on US citizen. You are acting like other countries are more dangerous and that you should be fine in your own US state but NO bro. You are even more watched but they never told it to you. So wake up and stop blaming China for what they are doing when US is doing this but all over the world cuz if you would have at least basic knowledge you would know why all BIG firms like Apple, Google, Microsoft etc. are in US.

Well for one, they were all founded in the US. They didn't just move here because they can exploit laws or spy on consumers. They started here. I don't really even understand where you were trying to go with that last sentence.

 

[mailpup]

No, the Constitution only serves the Citizens of the US, while laws protect everyone.

The Constitution is the law, the law of the land.

 

[kenc1101]

I was replying to this member:


And apparently you decided to take up the cudgels. That sort of a rabbit hole in and of itself.
Incidentally, the numbers of people incarcerated in the US has absolutely nothing to do with a civil lawsuit filed by Huawei in US Federal court. So, you beat me to being off topic. Congratulations

If you think we have too many prisoners, you should "adopt" some.

You are railing against our incarceration numbers, in the same senseless manner our "right to Life" groups are railing against our abortion numbers. If you think we have too many "harmless people" in our prisons,you should be prepared to take on the responsibility of caring for them, trusting them in your home, and with you property.

As for your monumentally naive and misinformed comment on abortion, "A teenager could pay for an abortion with >>his<< allowance". Guess what, it's not human males who need abortions, it's the females.

Here, refer to this page on "sexual dimorphism": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_dimorphism for some valuable info on, "the birds and the bees. Did you know that you can tell a human male from a female by the exaggerated brow ridge? I didn't think so,.

Let's move to "population control by self restraint". Look how well that has worked out for China, India, Pakistan, and numerous other the countries around the world.

You should take that concept on a world tour. Your message? "There's too many of us people, l;et's keep those zippers up".

Incidentally, I've heard the same reproductive advice distributed since I hit puberty, 57 years ago. You haven't thought of anything new, you're just mouthing the words you heard from mommy & daddy.. How about if you keep your zipper up, and play with your X-Box til nobody wants to date you. Now that's my idea of "effective birth control".

You missed my point. You made the case for pro-lifers to adopt instead of complaining. I was pointing out the disparity in the cost/process between abortion and adoption. Abortion is cheap and easy. Adoption is very expensive and is a very lengthy process. Apples and Oranges.

 

[m3tavision]

The Constitution is the law, the law of the land.

Yes, and it protect the rights of the Citizens. If you are NOT a citizen, you don't have the Constitution, or bill of rights to protect you. You are under jurisdiction of laws... but without the benefits of the Constitution.

 

[mailpup]

Yes, and it protect the rights of the Citizens. If you are NOT a citizen, you don't have the Constitution, or bill of rights to protect you. You are under jurisdiction of laws... but without the benefits of the Constitution.

This is not true. The protections that the Constitution affords applies to all. Of course, it doesn't give non-citizens such things as voting rights but the Bill of Rights most certainly applies to everyone. Google it for more complete information.