Industry group says games should not be a scapegoat for gun violence problem

[Someone8MyPosts]

"The stereotype of gamers as disaffected teenage boys is simply untrue: 41% of the 150M+ gamers in the United States are women, and more women over 35 play videogames than boys under 18," the IGDA tweeted.

Yes, tons of 15 year old girls playing CoD, I'm sure. This is called a false analogy. Meanwhile in reality, EVERY school shooter in the past 20 years was a frequent player of FPS games and consumer of other violent media. Most of them had a history of mental illness or anti-social behavior as well. The fact that 40% of our kids are on psych meds is also conviently ignored. I'm not much of a gun fan myself and it wouldn't break my heart if the largest capacity magazines available were 9 rounds. But you can always carry more magazines or multiple guns and be just as dangerous as some nut with a 30 round mag. As long as your targets are not allowed to be armed you're virtually invincible. Enabling certain school employees to carry firearms is a common-sense deterrent to these atrocities. Its not about having a gun - its about having the right to have a gun, which always curtails instances of violent crime. Of course, what would be even better is if we stopped making excuses for the obvious troublemakers in our classrooms and got them the help they need, or failing that, the isolation from society they deserve.

On the gun issue, you don't stop a fire by throwing more logs on it.

 

[cliffordcooley]

I'll wait for your return after watching the video. I will go ahead and add a point to one of the bulletpoints you mentioned.

"If you have any type of violent criminal record, you cannot possess a gun for 10 years."

You are referring to a regulation that takes someones right to defend their self, based on "failure to pay childsupport"? Tell me exactly how is refusing to pay someone an act of violence?

 

[Someone8MyPosts]

This is full of so much fail.

BTW the term "gun violence" is a misnomer. There is no such thing. There are violent people, they need to be dealt with. Oh sure sure you can say the gun is a excellent tool for mass killing. Yes, it is... so are bombs, many many types of weapons that are not guns, and vehicles. All of which can be quite effective for killing a large amount of people quickly. Yes guns are easy to use, but I guaran-damn-tee you if you banned guns, or hell even if guns didn't exist, another means of mass murder would be more frequently used.

I hear what you're trying to say, but it's a lot easier to take down a knife wielding attacker before they take out 17 people that a gun-toting one. It's also a lot harder to get some of those other items you mentioned without being caught, except the vehicle. That doesn't mean ignore the problem.

 

[IAMTHESTIG]

I guess if the Attacker didn't have the gun in the first place, he wouldn't be as you so put it, "virtually invincible."

When a child at school hits another kid with a stick, I always find arming the kid with a stick to hit back with is the answer, you know? Instead of taking the stick off the offending child and putting him in time out. That would be too sensible....

Man... two big misses here. So let's say this kid didn't have a gun and couldn't get on. Are you so naive to think he is just going to say "well I can't get a gun so I guess I won't kill those kids after all"? This is one of the primary anti-gun logic failures. If this kid is filled with so much hate, he will find a way to hurt those people. And believe me, bombs and vehicles can be quite effective at killing a large amount of people quickly.

And who the hell ever said lets arm the kids? No one ever said that. Quit trying to produce a sentiment that didn't exist in the first place.

 

[IAMTHESTIG]

I hear what you're trying to say, but it's a lot easier to take down a knife wielding attacker before they take out 17 people that a gun-toting one. It's also a lot harder to get some of those other items you mentioned without being caught, except the vehicle. That doesn't mean ignore the problem.

You really think so? Have you ever been attacked by someone with a knife? Or seen a crazy guy with a knife going after people? It is still a very difficult task. And you could potentially kill just as many people with a knife, it has been done before...

The problem is people, and you are right... that problem is being ignored. Focusing on an inanimate object that does nothing by itself, is pointless as long as evil people are out there.

 

[Abraka]

I've just watched "Criminal Minds" at 3 pm showing someones head being cut off. Yes, 3 pm (15:00 h), when little children can see it too.

How come TV and games aren't guilty for anything? How come they always have an excuse to show **** like that and get away with "some studies show that game/tv violence causes no real violence". Really?

How about making racist anti-black movies and games then? If movies don't affect viewers, then racist movies are ok, right? Oh... what did you say? Movies and games DO influence viewers? Nice of you to admit. I agree. Books, movies and all other media DO affect the consumers. It was always known, that's why some books were banned. Series like "Criminal Minds" shouldn't be aired before midnight. THEN you can ask for other measures.

 

[Someone8MyPosts]

I've just watched "Criminal Minds" at 3 pm showing someones head being cut off. Yes, 3 pm (15:00 h), when little children can see it too.

How come TV and games aren't guilty for anything? How come they always have an excuse to show **** like that and get away with "some studies show that game/tv violence causes no real violence". Really?

How about making racist anti-black movies and games then? If movies don't affect viewers, then racist movies are ok, right? Oh... what did you say? Movies and games DO influence viewers? Nice of you to admit. I agree. Books, movies and all other media DO affect the consumers. It was always known, that's why some books were banned. Series like "Criminal Minds" shouldn't be aired before midnight. THEN you can ask for other measures.

Let's focus on the real problem. Society and parental guidance is basically screwed up now. We let our children experience and hear about things that weren't even heard of years ago by the average person and certainly not as frequently. Parents have to some degree been hamstrung by society in how they can discipline and control their children's behavior and to another degree, parents haven't given enough attention to the problems their kids are facing. Some people perform these heinous acts as children or at a later time in life.

Not sure where you're going with anti-black movies and racism, as if that's the only form of racism.

I agree with you on the air time of certain shows. The trick is getting everyone to agree on what's adequate. Having said that, if you take 2 children who are arguing and one hits the other with a stick, you take the stick away first, then determine what the problem is and then explain why the behavior is wrong. In this case, you take the gun away, and then determine what the problem is. Sure there are bad influences in the media, as are in education, local / national / international society, politics, news, art, you name it. Cherry picking a cause out of a possible many is just that...cherry picking.

 

[IAMTHESTIG]

Yeah take the stick away so little Johnny can pick up a rock instead. That makes sense...

 

[Someone8MyPosts]

Yeah take the stick away so little Johnny can pick up a rock instead. That makes sense...

Because you have a better idea I take it.

 

[IAMTHESTIG]

Because you have a better idea I take it.

I was being a smart arse but I made my point. You take the child causing the problem away from the situation and discuss it with them. That is a better idea in most but not all cases.

Look for the most part I agree with you, and at some point or for another reason it may very well be appropriate to take the weapon away but you need to attempt to reason with the problem child first. No one talks anymore to resolve things it seems...

Now obviously every situation is different and adults with weapons can most certainly be more dangerous but reasoning is the first thing that should be attempted.

 

[Abraka]

...Sure there are bad influences in the media, as are in education, local / national / international society, politics, news, art, you name it. Cherry picking a cause out of a possible many is just that...cherry picking.

Actually you don't see the bigger picture. Our planet is overpopulated. There's like 25 different measures in effect right now, in order to combat the growing population. In essence: everything that kills is good, everything that saves life is bad.

But 99.9% of people don't know about that plan, since then they would be more careful. One can't just openly promote killing. No, it's done in gloves. Through video games, movies, songs, promoting drugs, approving the usage of gender-bender chemicals in food, packaging and clothing, women education, gay movement and abortion promotion.

Now, some of those things listed above aren't bad. But they are done from the wrong reason. Meaning, if new research shows that some of it helps population growing, it will be equally banned, as it was previously promoted. Because it wasn't promoted for "human rights" (as media often advertises it) but to help reducing the population, without openly shooting the people.

If you aren't a very perceptive person, and into it, and having some time to spend on it, you won't notice this agenda. It's well executed, 99% of people won't notice it. And those who notice will be attacked in media, so if their mind is weak, they'll give up the fight. But they won't forget it. Because once you see it, all those things that didn't make sense, suddenly start fitting the puzzle. I know you won't believe it, but give it time.