Intel might have slipped that Windows 12 is indeed coming next year

[p51d007]

Microsoft Windows 12...SUBSCRIPTION Edition.

 

[bandit8623]

Microsoft Windows 12...SUBSCRIPTION Edition.

it will take people even longer to switch if they do that. win 11 issnt even at 30% and its been 2 years with a free upgrade....

 

[Theinsanegamer]

not all games are playable on linux. valorant for one. cs2 gets way less frames on vulkan.

Valorant COULD, if Riot GAF. Unreal engine is well supported by Wine, the issue is valorant using intrusive Anti-Cheat. That lies entirely on Riot Games to fix, frankly I wouldnt want that on my windows PC either.

Assuming CS2 is referencing counter strike, if only getting 385 FPS instead of 69420 FPS is a deal breaker for you, you have bigger issues.

The vast majority of games run on linux, the exception to this rule is competitive multiplayer games, which tend to have that intrusive anti cheat that breaks things. Of course, Easy Anti Cheat now has a linux compatible client and FaceIT is building one as well, so soon that wont be an excuse either.

 

[amghwk]

What??? We're still in Windows 11?? I thought MS already force-updated my system without permission?? (Since Windows 11 looks like Windows 10, with the difference being the start button moved to the centre, I wouldn't know if M$ already updated my Windows to 12.) /s

(Not that I am using Windows mainly anyway. It's in one of my hard drives and use Linux as my main OS.)

 

[human7]

I'm a gamer, I went full Linux last year and have nothing to complain about. It works often better than Windows, and those few games which fails due to anti cheat I don't really care about. Now removing myself from other ms crap, I found that best place to write documents is not word but latex. It's absolutely great to use my intellij idea to write lab report, thesis, it just a simple document...
Btw seems you used some slowly updating release. Encryption on btrfs - tumbleweed - is transparent.

There are a couple games I've tried to do on my laptop but cannot, I can only stream them. But there are more I could try. Still, I'd rather not worry about *if* I can play a game, which I don't have to do when I have Windows. I do a lot of MSFS 2020 as well, and I'm pretty sure that wouldn't work well (if at all) on Linux (especially if I ever get more fancy gear than a joystick).

LaTeX is pretty good! I wrote my whole master's thesis in it several years ago. I wouldn't call myself an expert since I haven't used it pretty much since then, but I do wish there was more use for it in business, not just in academia.

Wouldn't surprise me if there was a config or methodology error on my part when setting up the encryption. I think I'm using ext4, not btrfs (or zfs or xfs or whatever), anyways, which is another oops. I'm used to Raspberry Pis and sd cards where there's not a whole lot of point with fancy file systems or encryption (at least not the way I use RPis), so getting Manjaro setup was (intentionally) out of my usual comfort zone. Still, and maybe Manjaro isn't the right distribution to fit this philosophy, but it shouldn't require much effort to setup a secure and fast booting system at the same time (the boot itself would take 5 seconds if not for the 45 seconds of password validation).

 

[human7]

Everyone panicking about Windows 12 being worse than 11: just relax. Microsoft has consistently done a "good os, bad os" cycle for the last 23 years, I'm (totally not) sure this time will be no different.

 

[bandit8623]

Valorant COULD, if Riot GAF. Unreal engine is well supported by Wine, the issue is valorant using intrusive Anti-Cheat. That lies entirely on Riot Games to fix, frankly I wouldnt want that on my windows PC either.

Assuming CS2 is referencing counter strike, if only getting 385 FPS instead of 69420 FPS is a deal breaker for you, you have bigger issues.

The vast majority of games run on linux, the exception to this rule is competitive multiplayer games, which tend to have that intrusive anti cheat that breaks things. Of course, Easy Anti Cheat now has a linux compatible client and FaceIT is building one as well, so soon that wont be an excuse either.

for cs2 its not just frames it feels terrible. add wine into anything you lose performance as well. input delay not good enough.

as for valorant.. I have never ran into a cheater... people have installed esea for years and got hacked too, but got caught. its a chance ill take to not play with cheats. cs and valve still have plenty of work to do on stopping cheats.

 

[bandit8623]

Valorant COULD, if Riot GAF. Unreal engine is well supported by Wine, the issue is valorant using intrusive Anti-Cheat. That lies entirely on Riot Games to fix, frankly I wouldnt want that on my windows PC either.

Assuming CS2 is referencing counter strike, if only getting 385 FPS instead of 69420 FPS is a deal breaker for you, you have bigger issues.

The vast majority of games run on linux, the exception to this rule is competitive multiplayer games, which tend to have that intrusive anti cheat that breaks things. Of course, Easy Anti Cheat now has a linux compatible client and FaceIT is building one as well, so soon that wont be an excuse either.

also im all for linux.. I am, but do you think developers want to support 15 diff linux versions?
nope its hard enough for them to make drivers for games now for windows alone.

 

[Axle Grease]

If I wasn't a gamer, I would too. My laptop is Manjaro (with the pre-installed Windows 11 partition still on it but barely used), my desktop is Windows though. Gaming on Linux has come a long way, but it's got a ways to go before I would switch my desktop (or future gaming rigs) over there.

Pro-tip, if you do switch a laptop to Linux, research Wifi driver compatibility first. I didn't do that and had to build third-party "unofficial" drivers to get mine to work.

At least I got the laptop at a great discount, but still, the out-of-the-box experience can be more challenging in general. For example, disk encryption was not as smooth as it is with Bitlocker (Grub is really slow in verifying the password, and yeah there are workarounds, but really?), and power management isn't as good so the battery drains a little faster. Still, it's not bad once everything is setup. And you don't have to worry your OS pulling any shenanigans on you like forcing a web browser or pulling your data or whatever.

That's quite understandable. As you wrote, gaming on Linux has come along way. Browsing Valve's ProtonDB provides irrefutable proof of it. However, the condom on the penis of progress is anti-cheat software. I'd like to play Battlefield 2042 and World War 3 on Manjaro but both are borked by Easy AntiCheat.

 

[Fearghast]

It seems I will have to stop postponing that plan and get / build myself a general PC for browsing/work/multimedia running on something stable and user-friendly like Mint and then build a gaming rig with Windows where I will suffer all the BS just have some time to play games.
It is certainly not ideal, but it seems necessary for keeping one sane.

And no, I won't buy a console to play PC available games, I am not that desperate ... yet.

 

[Gastec]

I don't know about short-minded sheeple and other hypocrites, but I REMEMBER when all the news outlets were posting the same click-bate titles, for example that from the The Guardian: "Windows 10 will be 'the last version of Windows', Microsoft to move to smaller, more frequent updates – meaning the all-important version number will remain the same from now on."

 

[Nobina]

Can anyone from Microsoft explain why is there a need for Windows 12? What is it that they want to do that can't be done in Windows 11, which is just a visual upgrade to Windows 10. Every iteration of Windows they **** the UI up even more trying to fix it, ironically, you can still find pieces of ancient Windows 95. Windows is in a sort of UI midlife crisis, they want to look modern but constantly fail. As for subscriptions, not a chance in hell, it will only push me away to older versions of Windows and piracy.

 

[Primey]

I'll be skipping 12 if it is indeed all about AI.

 

[yRaz]

also im all for linux.. I am, but do you think developers want to support 15 diff linux versions?
nope its hard enough for them to make drivers for games now for windows alone.

They don't have to support 15 different linux versions, those "different versions" share a kernal. Unless you're some weirdo that wants to build their own kernal, it's a non issue. If you have the skills to do that then that is also a non issue.

Most people these days run Ubuntu, Mint or Pop!OS with Pop!OS being centered around gaming compatibility.

And, frankly, I think it would be fun to get people back interested into tinkering with computers again. Computers have become too easy these days. 10 years ago I thought differently but I actually enjoy tinkering and seeing what's going on if I want to. In Windows, everything is hidden and you have no control.

 

[Mark Fuller]

I'll be skipping 12 if it is indeed all about AI.

AI is mainly about finding information or following instructions from a voice recording. Good luck for the typical couch potato to be able to do that. All windows os's since the days of wxp are built upon virtually the same shell, even Vista, which got a bad wrap because of a flaw that would say it would expire in 30 days. Take into consideration the registry and the command prompt, virtually unchanged since the days of wxp. All operating systems are a build for the shell of a manufacturer's particular model, desktop or laptop. The build is made for the shell or what the BIOS or as it is now the EUFI is called uses to control the hardware devices. I think what got Vista in trouble is the fact that someone upstairs at microsoft scrambled up the shop and would put the wrong build on the wrong computer manufacturers shell and even would use the wrong product key, hence Vista users would keep getting the osd that the os copy may not be genuine and would expire in 30 days. I reformatted an HP one time and tried to use the product key supplied and it would not reformat, So I looked up a generic product key for the laptop and when I tried a generic HP product key it would still would not work. So in desperation I tried every product key for all manufacturers in the list and one of them finally worked although it was not the original product key for an HP. Point being, aside from cosmetic details and menu changes and some procedural changes, as far as the core system is concerned, the windows OS has changed very little since the days of WXP

 

[toooooot]

Can anyone from Microsoft explain why is there a need for Windows 12? What is it that they want to do that can't be done in Windows 11, which is just a visual upgrade to Windows 10. Every iteration of Windows they **** the UI up even more trying to fix it, ironically, you can still find pieces of ancient Windows 95. Windows is in a sort of UI midlife crisis, they want to look modern but constantly fail. As for subscriptions, not a chance in hell, it will only push me away to older versions of Windows and piracy.

For starters, it might not be true. I mean it seems crazy if you think how young win 11 is.
As for subscription, it would make 11 the last windows for a lot of people people, and then something else or pirated windows only.
But I am still optimistic. I mean what if they just optimize is on a very deep level making it much much faster.
What if the next windows runs apps and games much faster. What if new windows allows to make apps that are much more efficient and quicker. And on top of that, what if it just feels smoother and more comfort to use?
The only reason I would pass on that would be subscription. I still cant comprehend how casual users pay for office 365 rather than purchasing a key and going with owned office till they upgrade their laptop or PC.
It is unneeded and pointless.

 

[yRaz]

For starters, it might not be true. I mean it seems crazy if you think how young win 11 is.
As for subscription, it would make 11 the last windows for a lot of people people, and then something else or pirated windows only.
But I am still optimistic. I mean what if they just optimize is on a very deep level making it much much faster.
What if the next windows runs apps and games much faster. What if new windows allows to make apps that are much more efficient and quicker. And on top of that, what if it just feels smoother and more comfort to use?
The only reason I would pass on that would be subscription. I still cant comprehend how casual users pay for office 365 rather than purchasing a key and going with owned office till they upgrade their laptop or PC.
It is unneeded and pointless.

faster for what? you can't type fast enough? That hasn't been an issue since literally 95. what basic functionality could you be shilling for windows 12? No one asked for windows 10, then windows 11 rolled around.

If you want efficiency then go to Linux like all the data centers and, god forgive me for saying this, all of nVidias AI garbage runs on. The neural networks that they use to train AI all run on Linux. Why? because it's faster and has less bloat.

 

[Mark Fuller]

faster for what? you can't type fast enough? That hasn't been an issue since literally 95. what basic functionality could you be shilling for windows 12? No one asked for windows 10, then windows 11 rolled around.

If you want efficiency then go to Linux like all the data centers and, god forgive me for saying this, all of nVidias AI garbage runs on. The neural networks that they use to train AI all run on Linux. Why? because it's faster and has less bloat.

I don't doubt that Linux is faster than Windows. But I think that would be for mainly data processing since it is based on Unix which was the world's first truly efficient data processing os as that was all it was used for, aside from some CAD applications. I worked for a state highway department way back before the turn of the century that used a VAX VMS with a Unix operating system when FORTRAN was king of CAD. For those of us who will stick with windows for a while, I imagine it is because of all of the expensive applications especially those with subscriptions already paid for. Also, Unix was developed before the advent of the internet. Not like windows or even apple os's whose main function is to surf the web to operate its applications. And you know what that can mean for speed of use when you have to fight through malware, popup ads and security requirements..

 

[yRaz]

I don't doubt that Linux is faster than Windows. But I think that would be for mainly data processing since it is based on Unix which was the world's first truly efficient data processing os as that was all it was used for, aside from some CAD applications. I worked for a state highway department way back before the turn of the century that used a VAX VMS with a Unix operating system when FORTRAN was king of CAD. For those of us who will stick with windows for a while, I imagine it is because of all of the expensive applications especially those with subscriptions already paid for.

Do you know what LINUX stands for?

 

[i like foxes]

I tried /tested Linux Mint on an old laptop with GT 520MX . Didnt want to use my main desktop for experiments . It was a complete disaster . Some games needed Proton to run but this layer lowered the FPS so low that they were unplayable - like 1-3 FPS or less . I had finished these games on Windows but on Linux were unplayable . The games with native Linux support were playable ,but I dont think it was better than on Windows . For browsing Linux is OK but not good for gaming to date . Sorry .

 

[Mark Fuller]

Do you know what LINUX stands for?

Yes, I do. And that brings to mind Grace Hopper's statements about her dissatisfaction with IBM products during the early days of data processing. Widows, you know, is based on the old MS-DOS platform which was what back then the IBM pc was called to be the first user friendly computer because it had a system of commands to work it instead of having to know a high level computer language to make it work like COBOL back then or BASIC for a personal computer.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

for cs2 its not just frames it feels terrible. add wine into anything you lose performance as well. input delay not good enough.

You do realize that CS2 is linux native...right? WTF would you be playing it through proton?

as for valorant.. I have never ran into a cheater... people have installed esea for years and got hacked too, but got caught. its a chance ill take to not play with cheats. cs and valve still have plenty of work to do on stopping cheats.

And there is no reason they cant make this anti cheat work with proton. They CHOOSE not to. It's not a technical limitation.

 

[Mark Fuller]

I tried /tested Linux Mint on an old laptop with GT 520MX . Didnt want to use my main desktop for experiments . It was a complete disaster . Some games needed Proton to run but this layer lowered the FPS so low that they were unplayable - like 1-3 FPS or less . I had finished these games on Windows but on Linux were unplayable . The games with native Linux support were playable ,but I dont think it was better than on Windows . For browsing Linux is OK but not good for gaming to date . Sorry .

Linux was not developed with gaming in mind. Rather data processing. I is based on a UNIX system that was the first to be used widely in data processing applications like spreadsheets and data bases.

 

[Neatfeatguy]

Well, you know, there are certain issues with Windows 11 that make it less desirable than Windows 10. They're on the web.
Also, I guess this follows the tradition of a good - bad - good release by Microsoft.

So XP G - Vista B - 7 G - 8 B - 10 G - 11 B -> Hopefully Windows 12 would be the good one?

I had zero issues with Vista. Thought it was pretty solid, but then again I didn't jump on the bandwagon and try to hump MS's leg as soon as they released Vista. I started using Vista about 6 months before Windows 7 launched and there were zero issues.

Lots of driver issues at the start of Vista's release, but that falls on the shoulders of MS and their limited release to software developers so they can learn how to make their drivers properly function with the new OS.

Those that say Vista was bad, I guess it just depends on when they adapted to it. As for Win 8 - you couldn't pay me to use that version, not even 8.1. Same with 11 and with 12, if rumors are true and they're trying to build in their stupid "AI" search engine into it, nope, no thanks. You can count me out.

 

[Mark Fuller]

For starters, it might not be true. I mean it seems crazy if you think how young win 11 is.
As for subscription, it would make 11 the last windows for a lot of people people, and then something else or pirated windows only.
But I am still optimistic. I mean what if they just optimize is on a very deep level making it much much faster.
What if the next windows runs apps and games much faster. What if new windows allows to make apps that are much more efficient and quicker. And on top of that, what if it just feels smoother and more comfort to use?
The only reason I would pass on that would be subscription. I still cant comprehend how casual users pay for office 365 rather than purchasing a key and going with owned office till they upgrade their laptop or PC.
It is unneeded and pointless.

I don't know what people keep saying about one version of windows being faster than another. Aside from menus, procedural changes and cosmetic appearances, they are all based on what has always been the windows NT Kernel, with little changes in the core os from one version to another. Like yRaz said: "This hasn't been an issue since 95."