Does the TS budget box seem like a not so good value? I mean, you can get a phenom II quad core 3.2 GHz for 130ish. Throw that on a mobo that has some usable integrated graphics (until you are able to add a decent graphics card) with 4 or 8 GB of ram, and a hard drive of choice, and a cheap yet solid case, and finally a DVD drive and you are probably around 450-500ish. I dont know, it just seems like using the A8 for anything but laptops or micro (or other small factor) ATX is pointless. Just my thoughts.