Is Windows 11 coming? Leaks confirm it

Bullwinkle M

Posts: 519   +421
The moment you praised Windows XP for "great security" is the moment you lost all credibility.
That is because you have no idea what you are talking about

Microsoft refused to secure Windows XP...
But "I" can secure Windows XP

See the difference?

Or, to understand the situation from "your" perspective....
"I" am a true Windows security expert, and "you" are not!

Just ask if you need any further assistance
 

Bullwinkle M

Posts: 519   +421
Sneeze too hard and Windows XP will corrupt its registry.
That problem was solved many years ago

The last DLL error or registry conflict that caused a bluescreen (on "my" computers) was around 2008

If you ran to a new OS instead of fixing the problems with XP, then it was only a buggy mess for "YOU"

I haven't had a bluescreen in Windows XP for more than 12 years now
 

DZillaXx

Posts: 282   +407
That is because you have no idea what you are talking about

Microsoft refused to secure Windows XP...
But "I" can secure Windows XP

See the difference?

Or, to understand the situation from "your" perspective....
"I" am a true Windows security expert, and "you" are not!

Just ask if you need any further assistance
Windows XP is incapable of being truly secured.

There are flaws even at the kernel level.

The only thing you can do is keep it disconnected from any network.

"You" are not a Windows security expert, as if you were "You" would know that XP is a security dead end.

But if you must connect it to the internet, I'd highly recommend it be behind its own dedicated NAT on the network with firewall rules in place to keep it from talking to/from your other subnets.
 

Bullwinkle M

Posts: 519   +421
Windows XP is incapable of being truly secured.

There are flaws even at the kernel level.

The only thing you can do is keep it disconnected from any network.

"You" are not a Windows security expert, as if you were "You" would know that XP is a security dead end.

But if you must connect it to the internet, I'd highly recommend it be behind its own dedicated NAT on the network with firewall rules in place to keep it from talking to/from your other subnets.

Oh no, I don't listen to people who have no clue

I use Windows XP on the Internet all the time

It never has a malware problem (even though I study malware) and never crashes

It is immune to all forms of ransomware and wipers

If I need to do any online banking, I can always boot to Linux

XP is not used for online passwords or banking

It is a research tool for studying malware!

How you may ask?

Easy, I know what the problems are and how to permanently fix them

You can't do "THAT" with Spyware Platform 10
 

DZillaXx

Posts: 282   +407
That problem was solved many years ago

The last DLL error or registry conflict that caused a bluescreen (on "my" computers) was around 2008

If you ran to a new OS instead of fixing the problems with XP, then it was only a buggy mess for "YOU"

I haven't had a bluescreen in Windows XP for more than 12 years now
Windows XP went EOL in 2009....

So the vast personal experience with XP was already at the end for nearly everyone. At this point in time I had a Core2Quad with 8GB of RAM and this was also around the time I got my first SSD. An OCZ Vertex drive, it was 64GB.

Many users were using C2D's and Athlon x2's at this point in with with 4GB of ram. Windows XP doesn't even allow you to use 4GB of Ram, and videocards with large Memory pools just ate into that. Plus no DX10

I moved away from XP years before that to Vista. As someone that was quick to jump onto the Athlon X2 bandwagon along with 4GB of RAM becoming so much more cost effective to buy. Windows XP was starting to feel a little outdated on such hardware. XP is not very well equipped for multiple cores, nor does it support SSDs (not that those were even a thing any time XP was in use). No Prefetch, the indexing sucks, searching the drive for files takes forever, the startmenu is garbage compared to what even 7 had, task manager is super outdated.

But if you want to use XP in 2021, go ahead. No other OS of that age is going to work as modernly as XP still will. Google Luck trying to get modern Linux apps to work well on a decade old+ Linux distro without it trying to go through major updates. You can still find up to date web browsers for XP.
 

DZillaXx

Posts: 282   +407
Oh no, I don't listen to people who have no clue

I use Windows XP on the Internet all the time

It never has a malware problem (even though I study malware) and never crashes

It is immune to all forms of ransomware and wipers

If I need to do any online banking, I can always boot to Linux

XP is not used for online passwords or banking

It is a research tool for studying malware!

How you may ask?

Easy, I know what the problems are and how to permanently fix them

You can't do "THAT" with Spyware Platform 10

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Pastuch

Posts: 72   +75
All I want from windows is ultra low latency in all things. I want lower audio latency at the driver/game level, lower input latency for keyboards, mice and controllers, lower dpc latency on pretty much all windows drivers and services. Old windows OSes are useless if you're a die hard battle Royale obsessed no life.
 

Gezzer

Posts: 144   +75
2000 being a mix of NT with 98‘s consumer features was what I liked about it. It ran rock solid.

I think the big reason MS held off on releasing 2000 for the general user mostly had to do with account control/credentials. NT being a enterprise version of windows meant it was much more secure and MS felt that general users would be lost trying to network. They held off for XP and gave us ME... yeah that.
 

Mithan

Posts: 111   +96
My bet is this will lead the way to DAAS, which I think will take the business world by storm in the next 10 years.
 
When did I mention Windows XP? I did not (note I mentioned next version windows 11, meaning I was talking about win 10, I was talking about Windows 10 the latest build, also why are you using XP? I'll tell you why because it was lean and fast, which Win 10 isn't. Yes I agree malware is practically gone and security is pretty good, but why with every update does it break something? sometimes bricking PC's or Graphics Cards. I'm sorry but I don't agree, I get little trouble for the first few years then it slowly gets worse and worse till it breaks drivers, graphic settings, owner game saves, etc, sorry if you don't like it I don't mean to upset you but it's just my opinion and experience, that's why people prefer windows XP cos it was slim and efficient. Also when did I mention win XP? I didn't.



The moment you praised Windows XP for "great security" is the moment you lost all credibility.

He wasn't referring to you. Go back and read his comment again. It was addressed to @Bullwinkle M
 
Many users were using C2D's and Athlon x2's at this point in with with 4GB of ram. Windows XP doesn't even allow you to use 4GB of Ram, and videocards with large Memory pools just ate into that. Plus no DX10

Windows XP 64-bit allowed more than 4GB Ram, but was incompatible with most software available at the time.
 

arrowflash

Posts: 431   +466
Windows XP 64-bit allowed more than 4GB Ram, but was incompatible with most software available at the time.

If I recall correctly, history goes that Microsoft initially intended to fully support PAE (physical address extension) in 32-bit Windows XP, which would allow it to address more than 4 GB of ram. But during development they've ran into a few hard to fix bugs and software incompatibilities that were being caused by PAE, so they ended up scrapping it.
 

bobc4012

Posts: 143   +57
You underestimate the "rabidness" of the cult members.
No more rabid than the MS Cult members nor the Linux Cult members. BTW, I agree with Dimitriid (3rd post here) that MS may decide to get rid of the "Windows kernel" and use the Linux kernel instead. They could have a "Windows" desktop to run on top. It makes sense from a lot of different angles and would reduce costs all the way around plus there are Linux distros that support cloud-based computing.
 

bobc4012

Posts: 143   +57
I don't think you ever really used windows 10.
......
I question if you were even an adult in the age of Windows XP... If you lived in the era of XP, and went through each service pack (SP1,SP2,SP3) along with queuing up windows updates via the Update Website with Internet Explorer. As XP didn't have a built in update selector, just autoupdate manager. It was not rainbows that you think it was.
.......
And you probably weren't even a gleam in your daddy's eye when I started programming computers. I am in general agreement with "131dbl". I initially started way back with the IBM 1400 series systems (starting 1961 until 2000). I bought my first PC circa1980, a Radio Shack Color Computer (CoCo). Besides being considered a "game playing" machine, it could also run OS/9, a Unix clone and had a lot of nice S/W, an Office Suite (Telewriter, etc.), Basic09, a C compiler, and other useful tools. I started using PCs initially at work, being with DOS and later when I bought my first x86 PC. Since then I used Win. 3.1, 95, 98, XP, Vista, & 7 and now 10. I skipped 8 and never installed NT (bought at a clearance sale for $5, still in its shrink-wrapped package). As for my first x86 PC, I installed System Commander for multi-booting and ran PC-DOS, Win. 3.1, later 95/98, Slackware Linux (with X windowing) and OS/2 all of a 250MB HDD (later upgrade to a 2GB HDD). When that system finally crapped out, XP had come out and came with my new system. I was able to re-install all the OSes I had in multi-boot. I replaced Slackware Linux with Ubuntu 6.04 with Wubi which was much nicer compared to the Slackware (allowed Ubuntu to be installed as a Windows app and booted within Windows). As for Vista, that was on a laptop my son gave ,me when he bought a Windows 7 laptop. I stayed with Ubuntu until they dropped Gnome 2 (Gnome 3 was had come out) and switched to Linux Mint (and the new Mate desktop). When my XP system finally crapped out, my new system came with Windows 7. IMO, it was the best Windows system MS produced, even better than Windows 10. At that point, I started using VirtualBox instead of multi-booting. I found Linux ran nearly as fast in a VM as it did native and even faster than Windows 7 when it started to get slower over time, in spite of weekly "maintenance". I took "advantage" of the "free upgrade" to Windows 10. It ran slower than Windows 7 and I was finding more problems doing weekly maintenance than I did when using Win. 7. As for Security patches, they seem to be as frequent as they were in Windows 7 and both were much more frequent than Linux Mint security updates. The only good thing I found with Windows 10 over Win, 7 was the app store had some nice apps, like OCR and a few others. The Win. 7 Home edition came with Office Starter, which I used the Excel to view an occasional spreadsheet sent to me, but I preferred OpenOffice Writer to MS Word. They were kept when I upgraded to Windows 10. Last June, after another bad update, I not only ran into various problems, but also lost the MS Office Starter package.

Every system has it faults and good points. However, the only advantage Windows has over Linux is more apps that are more polished than corresponding comparable Linux apps (but most have to be purchased). Those that are free, I find to be virtually identical in both environments. However, one thing I find is I still have old "exe" files that ran on XP, and many on Win. 7, will not run on Win. 10, even in "so-called" compatibility mode, I can run them on Linux, using WINE and most run with no problem and a couple with a an occasional glitch. For those who complain that Linux is still "command line", they don't know what they are talking about. Maybe true 15-20 years ago, but not so today. I find I use the command line as much in Windows, maybe moreso, than I do in Linux. I also find installing S/W packages just as easy with Linux than Windows. The only reason I still use Windows is because their a are a few things that aren't available on Linux that I still use on Windows, but as that stuff stops working on Windows, as some already have, I will find a Linux alternative.
 

tellmewhy

Posts: 98   +49
Windows are sit on one program and that is Photoshop. If that program is ported to Linux windows is “dead” in 4 years. Gimp is 80% close, just a good ui away.
 

theruck

Posts: 329   +156
I've been arguing for a "Windows 9" for a couple of years now, which is basically proven/trusted Windows 7 with support for DX12 and Win10 drivers.

Win10 is an ugly spam delivery device that requires a Bachelors in Engineering to customize.

Win95: Good
Win98: Bad
Win98se: Good
WinME: Bad
WinXP: Good
WinVista: Bad
Win7: Good
Win8: Bad
Win9: -------------- (fill in the blank)
Win10: Bad.
you got it all wrong
the predecessors to XP were 2000 NT 4.0 and NT 3.5
and you are missing 95 OSR2 in the 95-ME line
knowing all this is just the proof of how poor we users are as we just have to remember those to survive in the microsoft "enterprise" as the incompatibility problems have been just always present :)
 

Puiu

Posts: 4,682   +3,548
TechSpot Elite
All I want from windows is ultra low latency in all things. I want lower audio latency at the driver/game level, lower input latency for keyboards, mice and controllers, lower dpc latency on pretty much all windows drivers and services. Old windows OSes are useless if you're a die hard battle Royale obsessed no life.
Unfortunately better drivers for the things they don't make is not something MS can enforce (especially the crappy audio drivers).
 
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Puiu

Posts: 4,682   +3,548
TechSpot Elite
And you probably weren't even a gleam in your daddy's eye when I started programming computers. I am in general agreement with "131dbl". I initially started way back with the IBM 1400 series systems (starting 1961 until 2000). I bought my first PC circa1980, a Radio Shack Color Computer (CoCo). Besides being considered a "game playing" machine, it could also run OS/9, a Unix clone and had a lot of nice S/W, an Office Suite (Telewriter, etc.), Basic09, a C compiler, and other useful tools. I started using PCs initially at work, being with DOS and later when I bought my first x86 PC. Since then I used Win. 3.1, 95, 98, XP, Vista, & 7 and now 10. I skipped 8 and never installed NT (bought at a clearance sale for $5, still in its shrink-wrapped package). As for my first x86 PC, I installed System Commander for multi-booting and ran PC-DOS, Win. 3.1, later 95/98, Slackware Linux (with X windowing) and OS/2 all of a 250MB HDD (later upgrade to a 2GB HDD). When that system finally crapped out, XP had come out and came with my new system. I was able to re-install all the OSes I had in multi-boot. I replaced Slackware Linux with Ubuntu 6.04 with Wubi which was much nicer compared to the Slackware (allowed Ubuntu to be installed as a Windows app and booted within Windows). As for Vista, that was on a laptop my son gave ,me when he bought a Windows 7 laptop. I stayed with Ubuntu until they dropped Gnome 2 (Gnome 3 was had come out) and switched to Linux Mint (and the new Mate desktop). When my XP system finally crapped out, my new system came with Windows 7. IMO, it was the best Windows system MS produced, even better than Windows 10. At that point, I started using VirtualBox instead of multi-booting. I found Linux ran nearly as fast in a VM as it did native and even faster than Windows 7 when it started to get slower over time, in spite of weekly "maintenance". I took "advantage" of the "free upgrade" to Windows 10. It ran slower than Windows 7 and I was finding more problems doing weekly maintenance than I did when using Win. 7. As for Security patches, they seem to be as frequent as they were in Windows 7 and both were much more frequent than Linux Mint security updates. The only good thing I found with Windows 10 over Win, 7 was the app store had some nice apps, like OCR and a few others. The Win. 7 Home edition came with Office Starter, which I used the Excel to view an occasional spreadsheet sent to me, but I preferred OpenOffice Writer to MS Word. They were kept when I upgraded to Windows 10. Last June, after another bad update, I not only ran into various problems, but also lost the MS Office Starter package.

Every system has it faults and good points. However, the only advantage Windows has over Linux is more apps that are more polished than corresponding comparable Linux apps (but most have to be purchased). Those that are free, I find to be virtually identical in both environments. However, one thing I find is I still have old "exe" files that ran on XP, and many on Win. 7, will not run on Win. 10, even in "so-called" compatibility mode, I can run them on Linux, using WINE and most run with no problem and a couple with a an occasional glitch. For those who complain that Linux is still "command line", they don't know what they are talking about. Maybe true 15-20 years ago, but not so today. I find I use the command line as much in Windows, maybe moreso, than I do in Linux. I also find installing S/W packages just as easy with Linux than Windows. The only reason I still use Windows is because their a are a few things that aren't available on Linux that I still use on Windows, but as that stuff stops working on Windows, as some already have, I will find a Linux alternative.
I'm glad that you like to program a lot, but you should use some of that programming knowledge to implement indents and new lines (/n) so that others can read your "code" :)
 

Thretosix

Posts: 97   +106
Hahahahhahhahhahahhaha

Dude, you've wasted your life
You could've been a commedian

I'm having ZERO issues with Windows XP here

All the bugs were stomped out long ago

GREAT security!
No malware since 2014 and no ransomware EVER!

I have ZERO Microsoft security updates and have stayed online in a full admin account with an antivirus that expired in 2015, yet I do not have ANY malware problems, ZERO blue-screens of death and ZERO borked updates to deal with

Aftermarket firewall blocks ALL Microsoft components from accessing the EvilNet

Good enough for multitasking and when compared to Spyware Platform 10, XP has vastly better options

Much better than Windows 7 as well (At least for a Windows Security Expert like me)

Feel free to follow the other lemming off the cliff with Windows 10
Enjoy the lack of control
Endlessly update your Windows malware on the treadmill that goes nowhere

We are happy for you
You should be proud to feel like just a number in the uncaring monopoly machine
Calm down Karen. Nobody cares what you are using for an OS or how great you think you are.
 

Squid Surprise

Posts: 4,098   +3,257
Windows are sit on one program and that is Photoshop. If that program is ported to Linux windows is “dead” in 4 years. Gimp is 80% close, just a good ui away.
Yeah.... of the billion devices with windows 10, it’s all because of photoshop.... please provide ANY evidence for this nonsense?