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Judge lets Sony access GeoHot's PayPal account in PS3 hacking lawsuit

By Emil ยท 53 replies
Mar 17, 2011
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  1. Magistrate Judge Joseph C. Spero has awarded Sony a subpoena that grants the company access to the PayPal account of PlayStation 3 jailbreaker George Hotz, also known as GeoHot, for the last two years. Spero ruled that the Japanese console maker may acquire "documents sufficient to identify the source of funds (PDF via Wired) in California that went into any PayPal account associated with geohot@gmail.com for the period of January ...

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  2. Leeky

    Leeky TS Evangelist Posts: 3,357   +116

    So they've frozen his assets and are allowing unrestricted access to them as well now?
  3. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 4,512   +65

    The punishment should fit the crime and in this case, the process sounds worse than the punishment.
  4. Mizzou

    Mizzou TS Enthusiast Posts: 783

    See that we still have the lingering issue of jurisdiction in this case, clearly Sony really wants to see this case tried in California.
  5. Leeky

    Leeky TS Evangelist Posts: 3,357   +116

    I don't get the whole "where shall be try this case, because its better in x state".

    Surely the place where the court should see this person is the state where he lives?
  6. CrisisDog

    CrisisDog TS Booster Posts: 140   +33

    Am I missing something, or didn't the Library of Congress state "jailbreaking" was not illegal? How is this different?
  7. Sarcasm

    Sarcasm TS Guru Posts: 376   +46

    Perhaps if he only "jailbroke" his own PS3 and didn't publish the root keys across the entire internet???
  8. 9Nails

    9Nails TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,215   +177

    What if mechanics couldn't soup-up their hot rods or customize their motorcycles? Isn't that the same thing here?

    I just don't get why consumers aren't allowed to use their electronics for purposes beyond the manufactures intent. So GeoHot voids his warranty, he didn't steal the PS3 from the store, so why can't he void the warranty if that's what he desires?
  9. TrekExpert

    TrekExpert TS Enthusiast Posts: 104

    Wow. I've got a feeling that things are not going too good for geo...

    I still don't see the difference. If jail breaking a ps3 is not illegal how is his jail break illegal? He is not aiding people commit "illegal acts" and those people who viewed his video or visit his website have anything to do with his case? They couldn't have possibly done anything illegal with the ps3 jail break. The only thing I think they should legal be able to charge him with is that if the root key is copyrighted he would be distributing illegal content but I don't think that is the case.
  10. war59312

    war59312 TS Booster Posts: 132   +11

    I hope he sues the court and Sony on constitutional grounds via Fourth Amendment.

    He has a 100% expectation of privacy when it comes to his paypal account.
  11. The LOC ruled that removing software locks on a phone is legal for the purposes of using on a network not approved by the manufacture is a valid exception to the DMCA.

    But the exception was for cellphones only, not general purpose electronics. Other electronics anti-circumvention is still covered by the DMCA, which explicitly prohibits jailbreaks and unlocks.

    Now - in terms of the actual ruling - does Sony have a burden of proof that the funds sent to Geohot via paypal are in response to the Sony circumvention?

    I sent PayPal to Geohot during that period, for his (legal) iphone jailbreaks. Sony should be required to prove that any donations were explicitly for the PS3 action, not of other origin.
  12. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,007   +18

    I still think that essentially GeoHot has rolled over, and is pretty much letting Sony do whatever it wants in order to avoid jail/fine. And now the rest of us are going to get screwed over as they set precedent after precedent.

    Here's a tip hotshot, anonymity, try it...
  13. Cota

    Cota TS Enthusiast Posts: 512   +8

    I think you mixed 2 ideas

    The root key allows you to modify your PS3, the problem is that it gives you to much power and when some people have that kind of power they tend to cheat, not leaving a side the piracy problem.

    And to complement your reference, if i had a motorcycle i would like to mod it to look like a taco that craps icecream on the road, but im sure i cant trow icecream of the street whit out breaking the law.
    "Rules keep you from doing certain things, but they also protect you" else just ask any gamer that played online and got hacked because the root key drama :)
  14. krayzie

    krayzie TS Rookie Posts: 62

    why do we use "jailbreak" term outside apple products?
  15. Nima304

    Nima304 TS Evangelist Posts: 375   +110

    This is stupid. I'm losing more and more respect for Sony.
  16. Whoaman

    Whoaman TS Rookie Posts: 71

    Bye Bye Sony. Spero is a total &ss and it would be more appropriate if he provided his services in China.
  17. Sony = The New World Gestapo

    How much does a judge cost these days? Anybody checked his bank account lately?

  18. It's great to see Sony taking action. When people cheat and hack like that, it makes online games pointless to play. Everyone involved should get jail time as far as I'm concerned.
  19. I felt a little bit guilty when I bought a sony home theater system (it was on sale/open box item at best buy).

    After reading this i feel down right dirty. I will never purchase another sony product. I damn sure will never own a PS3.
  20. I will never buy another $ony product again..
  21. Jailbreaking your own property is fine, nobody is arguing that. What happens when those jailbroken ps3 gets on the network and brings viruses that affect everybody else system? I'm sure you have virus protection on your computer, why? Because people with affected computers, affect yours. Jailbreak your property all day long, just don't make it to be something it's not. Think about prescription drugs, it's yours, your name is on it you bought it, but do you own it? No.
  22. It's fine using a jailbreak on your own PS3. Distributing the root keys for everyone else on the interwebs is what Sony had a beef with, and rightfully so. Unfortunately, everyone can refer to those who would use that information for malicious purposes.

    It is impossible to say "this software will not be used for pirating/hacking" and completely regulate/enforce your statements.

    Good for Sony.
  23. It's impossible to say whether or not the car that Ford sells me will be used to violate the law, yet they're allowed to continue selling lots of cars.

    It's impossible to say whether or not the handguns that are sold will be used for illegal purposed, yet they're still sold.

    Why are you ****** okay with "someone might shoot me, but I defend his right to own that gun", but not "someone might use this to pirate a game, so he NEEDS TO BE STOPPED"?!
  24. Bottom line, though you payed sony for the device, you don't own it, Sony owns you, your family and anything that came with 25 ft of a sony console...
    If you're foolish enough to give your money to a corporation like sony you get what you deserve...screwed one way or another.
  25. Darkshadoe

    Darkshadoe TS Guru Posts: 567   +111

    Yes because online cheating IS the end of the world isn't it?

    Let's allow a corporation ruin one man's life just because you suck at online games.

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