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Puiu

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What are you talking about, you don't need to login to open Nvidia Control Panel haha, you can login in to Experience but it is optional, just like the application itself is optional.. :joy: simply don't install it.
The driver updates require me to login and there are plenty of things that are there. But it seems you didn't know that.
 
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Bawlsdeep

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The driver updates require me to login and there are plenty of things that are there. But it seems you didn't know that.

Yes I know, I have RTX 3080 Ti, 3080 and 3070 in house. You login to Experience not their Control Panel haha .. Experience is optional and I don't use it.
 

Puiu

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Yes I know, I have RTX 3080 Ti, 3080 and 3070 in house. You login to Experience not their Control Panel haha .. Experience is optional and I don't use it.
Then why are we even arguing? O_o

The fact that you personally don't use it is irrelevant.

Optional or not many features are stuck behind it. If you can't do automated updates without having to login then many people will just stick with the old drivers like I do (until I finally do it once in a blue moon because of the update notifications annoying me).
 

Bawlsdeep

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Then why are we even arguing? O_o

The fact that you personally don't use it is irrelevant.

Optional or not many features are stuck behind it. If you can't do automated updates without having to login then many people will just stick with the old drivers like I do (until I finally do it once in a blue moon because of the update notifications annoying me).

You said login was required to access the NVIDIA CONTROL PANEL. It's not.

Many features is locked behind Experience? Like what? It's mostly for casual gamers, that needs auto configuration of games etc.

It's optional. I don't need that crap.

I get mail notifications when new WHQL drivers release. Why would I need Experience to notify me. No need to update a driver unless you play a brand new game, simply download the gameready driver then..

There is no need to be on latest driver if you play older games. Just like there's no reason to flash your motherboard firmware just because they release a new one and everything works fine.
 

Puiu

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You said login was required to access the NVIDIA CONTROL PANEL. It's not.

Many features is locked behind Experience? Like what? It's mostly for casual gamers, that needs auto configuration of games etc.

It's optional. I don't need that crap.

I get mail notifications when new WHQL drivers release. Why would I need Experience to notify me. No need to update a driver unless you play a brand new game, simply download the gameready driver then..

There is no need to be on latest driver if you play older games. Just like there's no reason to flash your motherboard firmware just because they release a new one and everything works fine.
When I said login I obviously meant the one that has a login form. You don't have to take every word literally. Even the "experience" is a type of control panel, just a different one.

You took the "panel" thing and rolled with it knowing full well what I meant. People aren't stupid, they can read between the lines just fine, I do it all time. It's normal because many people here are not native English speakers (neither am I).

"there is no need to be on latest drivers" - That is completely false. For example, I recently was forced to update my video drivers because Eve Online was not launching properly. You never know when you get a game update that requires you to be on a newer driver. It took me multiple game reinstalls before I started doing driver updates and figure out what was happening.

I could have saved several hours of troubleshooting if I just had auto updates enabled.

But enough with this topic, we've deviated too much from what we were originally talking. In the end you didn't manage to throw in any compelling argument.
 
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Fulljack

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There is literally no RT game that are unplayable on RTX3000 provided the screen res is suitable to GPU's performance (3060 - 1080p, 3070 - 1440 and 3080 - 4K).

So RTX 3050 are for 720p RT? also uses DLSS to upscale to 1080p then?

we have come so far, only to go back again lmao.
 

DoomSlayer

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So RTX 3050 are for 720p RT? also uses DLSS to upscale to 1080p then?

we have come so far, only to go back again lmao.

Get me a desktop RTX3050 if you can LMAO (it doesn't exist yet)
15in 1080p laptop screen is actually very sharp at 140PPI, you won't notice any difference between 1080p DLSS Quality vs 1080p Native on a laptop. I know because I play Cyberpunk 2077 on a laptop with 2070 Super.
 

Puiu

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Get me a desktop RTX3050 if you can LMAO (it doesn't exist yet)
15in 1080p laptop screen is actually very sharp at 140PPI, you won't notice any difference between 1080p DLSS Quality vs 1080p Native on a laptop. I know because I play Cyberpunk 2077 on a laptop with 2070 Super.
yes you will notice it. it's just 1080p upscaling. if it bothers you or not is subjective.
 

DoomSlayer

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yes you will notice it. it's just 1080p upscaling. if it bothers you or not is subjective.

I actually did pixel peeping and you need to do like 300-400% zoom to see the difference, not to mention with a Sharpen filter 1080p DLSS will look better than 1080p Native, want proof?
 

Fulljack

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Get me a desktop RTX3050 if you can LMAO (it doesn't exist yet)
you said RTX 3000, you didn't specify if it's mobile or desktop, which I'm gladly show you that RTX 3050 exist. it also has paltry RT and Tensor cores, which point out that "RTX" features on mid-end GPU are not that good, no matter how much Nvidia wants it on the market.
 

DoomSlayer

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you said RTX 3000, you didn't specify if it's mobile or desktop, which I'm gladly show you that RTX 3050 exist. it also has paltry RT and Tensor cores, which point out that "RTX" features on mid-end GPU are not that good, no matter how much Nvidia wants it on the market.

Lol 720p gaming doesn't look that bad on a 15in laptop screen (same PPI as 1080p 24in screen), so yeah you can use RTX+DLSS on a mobile RTX3050 too.
Desktop RTX3050 will probably have 8GB VRAM that is more suitable for 1080p gaming with RT.
Mind you I have played CP2077 a lot on a 2070S Laptop, which is slower than a Desktop RTX2060 and I can comfortable play 1080p High + RT + DLSS
 

Fulljack

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Lol 720p gaming doesn't look that bad on a 15in laptop screen (same PPI as 1080p 24in screen), so yeah you can use RTX+DLSS on a mobile RTX3050 too.
not really, you can clearly tell the difference between "blurry" 720p and "clear" 1080p on 15,6 inch display—unless you has myopia that is.
Desktop RTX3050 will probably have 8GB VRAM that is more suitable for 1080p gaming with RT.
Mind you I have played CP2077 a lot on a 2070S Laptop, which is slower than a Desktop RTX2060 and I can comfortable play 1080p High + RT + DLSS
yeah, well I really hope RTX 3050 did come with at least 6GB of VRAM otherwise it's DOA if it's less than that, cause it's what happens in the laptop RTX 3050. it's very limited by memory size for card released in 2021, while the RT cores are practically useless, at least Tensor cores did help a bit.
 

DoomSlayer

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not really, you can clearly tell the difference between "blurry" 720p and "clear" 1080p on 15,6 inch display—unless you has myopia that is.

yeah, well I really hope RTX 3050 did come with at least 6GB of VRAM otherwise it's DOA if it's less than that, cause it's what happens in the laptop RTX 3050. it's very limited by memory size for card released in 2021, while the RT cores are practically useless, at least Tensor cores did help a bit.

just did a comparison video between 1080p Native vs 1080p DLSS Balanced + RT Reflection
Mind you RT Reflection is very very worth turning on in Cyberpunk 2077 and I can still maintain 60FPS on a desktop RTX2060-class GPU
 

DoomSlayer

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but RTX 3050 laptop? yeah no, lol.

You do understand that mobile rtx3050 already hit VRAM limitation without RT in CP2077 right? Turning on RT would not make it any less playable when it's already unplayable to begin with :D.

If you have qualm about mobile RTX3050 performance, it's because of the VRAM and not because of the RT/DLSS hardware. Tweak some game settings to get 60fps first then enabling RT+DLSS and you still have 60fps, or is it that you have never had to tweak some game settings to get playable framerate in your entire life? If so then you are very privileged.

If you want to nitpick what I'm saying, at least make it logical.
 

m3tavision

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Nobody cares about nVidia's ray tracing....

RDNA2 Consoles will usher in a new era, and when the full version of Cyberpunk for Consoles is finally released, you will see how irrelevant nVidia's proprietary solution is. Specially when little johnny & susan are playing CP2077 with ray tracing on, while sitting on the couch...


Project Red is releasing a Console version of the game, featuring ray tracing. I bet those playing won't know the difference between it... or nVidia's $2,800 RTX3090.