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Its still expensive especially since Apple just said at WWDC that Snow Leopard will be $29. I have been using windows 7 since RC1 came out and its a huge improvement over Vista but its still way to much money.
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I dont buy MS operating systems - I get them bundled with new systems when I get one. To buy, they are too expensive. 250quid for a retail ultimate version of vista is crazy and I cannot understand anyone doing it. I may consider an upgrade for 100dollars, if that translates into 75quid. I would prefer it to be 50 but I cannot see it happen. Also consider does not equal definate purchase 
SNGX1275
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I actually ran ME (stepup edition) pretty problem free too.. But at least with ME I did actually know real people that had problems with it, every real person I know (not someone online) that runs Vista seems to run it without problems.
As for you comment about sticking with XP because it works, I can support that. I've been a huge fan of Windows 2000 after I began using it. I never ran it in its early days, but I think it was really a buisness OS and performed poorly for most personal users, but the Service Packs fixed that, and by SP3 or SP4 it was every bit as good as XP and uses less resources. XP does have some advantages, but I think you can counter all of those with 3rd party software/freeware even.
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I have a two-month-old Sony Vaio VGN-Z610Y with a 2.4 GHz Intel processor, 8Gb of memory, 285 Gb HDD, running Vista Ultimate SP2.
I see the BSOD at *least* twice a day, from APPCRASH restarts while opening (or closing) IE8, MS Money, Office, Live Mail, and especially WMP11.
I've rebuilt my two-month-old Sony Vaio no fewer than three times in the last two months, redownloaded all the updated drivers from Windows Update, applied all recommended fixes, patches and settings, using original Microsoft software (with genuine license keys), and it nonetheless will spontaneously restart several times through the day. At *least* twice a day I see the APPCRASH error appear, and I'm forced to wait for the error dump file to write; I reboot, and wonder not *if* it will happen again in the next few hours, but *when* will it happen again in the next few hours.
Yes, I've done all the Sony hardware and software support calls I can make; there is nothing wrong with the hardware, the errors keep occurring from user profile settings that won't stay untouched by Windows Vista Ultimate and by the many Microsoft products that try to interact with each other, but fail miserably.
I've got better things to do than sit all day with a phone to my ear waiting for Microsoft to fix what never did work.
I see the BSOD at *least* twice a day, from APPCRASH restarts while opening (or closing) IE8, MS Money, Office, Live Mail, and especially WMP11.
I've rebuilt my two-month-old Sony Vaio no fewer than three times in the last two months, redownloaded all the updated drivers from Windows Update, applied all recommended fixes, patches and settings, using original Microsoft software (with genuine license keys), and it nonetheless will spontaneously restart several times through the day. At *least* twice a day I see the APPCRASH error appear, and I'm forced to wait for the error dump file to write; I reboot, and wonder not *if* it will happen again in the next few hours, but *when* will it happen again in the next few hours.
Yes, I've done all the Sony hardware and software support calls I can make; there is nothing wrong with the hardware, the errors keep occurring from user profile settings that won't stay untouched by Windows Vista Ultimate and by the many Microsoft products that try to interact with each other, but fail miserably.
I've got better things to do than sit all day with a phone to my ear waiting for Microsoft to fix what never did work.
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I have a two-month-old Sony Vaio VGN-Z610Y with a 2.4 GHz Intel processor, 8Gb of memory, 285 Gb HDD, running Vista Ultimate SP2.
I see the BSOD at *least* twice a day, from APPCRASH restarts while opening (or closing) IE8, MS Money, Office, Live Mail, and especially WMP11.
I've rebuilt my two-month-old Sony Vaio no fewer than three times in the last two months, redownloaded all the updated drivers from Windows Update, applied all recommended fixes, patches and settings, using original Microsoft software (with genuine license keys), and it nonetheless will spontaneously restart several times through the day. At *least* twice a day I see the APPCRASH error appear, and I'm forced to wait for the error dump file to write; I reboot, and wonder not *if* it will happen again in the next few hours, but *when* will it happen again in the next few hours.
Yes, I've done all the Sony hardware and software support calls I can make; there is nothing wrong with the hardware, the errors keep occurring from user profile settings that won't stay untouched by Windows Vista Ultimate and by the many Microsoft products that try to interact with each other, but fail miserably.
I've got better things to do than sit all day with a phone to my ear waiting for Microsoft to fix what never did work.
SNGX1275
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Interesting. Maybe you did find some oddity where it just doesnt work. I'm not going to say you are wrong, I believe you. I will just say that I think that is pretty rare. Sorry that you see those probs, I think this could happen to anyone though.
Def, I would be upset with trying to contact MS people over what is wrong, I'm sure that if there ac tually is a problem, an exploit, that you are going to get very little positive response on it.
Def, I would be upset with trying to contact MS people over what is wrong, I'm sure that if there ac tually is a problem, an exploit, that you are going to get very little positive response on it.
After reading your intelligent and well backgrounded posts for a long time, SNGX1275, I am surprised at your attitude and narrow focus.
Our shops see at least 33-35 people a month with definite serious problems with VISTA. True, some are the early versions of computers that were not ready for VISTA. True, that many of them were Compaq, Sony, or eMachines, or Media Center machines where the real problem was with the computer manufacturer rather than VISTA... but still a significant number of problems were VISTA problems on good machines... where the problem was not the fault of the computer alone, and not the fault of the user.
Bad things happen with VISTA on a variety of machines, not just because you have not seen it happen wherever you are.
It is my impression that when there is a problem, it creates greater difficulty than did Windows XP. And it could have been prevented by better communication between Microsoft and the computer manufacturer...
Of particular note is the Sony and the HP media center machine... but there are others.
Our shops see at least 33-35 people a month with definite serious problems with VISTA. True, some are the early versions of computers that were not ready for VISTA. True, that many of them were Compaq, Sony, or eMachines, or Media Center machines where the real problem was with the computer manufacturer rather than VISTA... but still a significant number of problems were VISTA problems on good machines... where the problem was not the fault of the computer alone, and not the fault of the user.
Bad things happen with VISTA on a variety of machines, not just because you have not seen it happen wherever you are.
It is my impression that when there is a problem, it creates greater difficulty than did Windows XP. And it could have been prevented by better communication between Microsoft and the computer manufacturer...
Of particular note is the Sony and the HP media center machine... but there are others.
Been running Vista x64 since November 2007, and have had about 4 BSOD's since. The first happen during the install and I needed to provide x64 drivers for my RAID controller to fix it. The remaining 3 are all the blame of Nvidia, and I've had to upgrade their drivers each time to fix those. I can't really find a fault in Vista that wasn't caused by 3rd party driver issues. Tossing those things to the side Microsoft really did put together a nice peppy OS, even if it does bulk up like an American football player.
LinkedKube
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IMO vista was plagued with the 3rd party software companies not having proper drivers...at first. I think it comes down to having the proper hardware. I've installed it on two machines, and have a notebook with it as well. the bsod's I've had are oc'ing related. Not vista's fault.
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I agree completely. I don't run windows so I'm not really affected by this. But there are users that post on Linux forums with those sort of comments. Because it doesn't work for them then it mustn't work. I'd say that we see more of that type of user posting within the GNU/Linux community/userbase, whereas windows see more of the "it works for me" mentality. In general though it's simple: Users should use what works for them and understand that it might not be for everyone and also realise that no OS works perfectly on 100% of hardware.
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awww yes... nerdy guys on youtube complaining.. no bashing windows vista.
tell me something Mr. "i use for normal daily use"
do you have a screen saver that DOESNT work due to the Microsoft wireless mouse issue (MS admits in their knowledge base website that there is no work around for this which includes MS wireless mouse, AND logictec wireless mouse causing screensavers not to work... look it up) AND do you have to manually hit ctrl alt shift at user login and manually run "explorer.exe" just to get your start menu, desktop background and icons to show (another known bug that MS claims to have a fix but doesnt fix the problem at all. Infact doing a google search on this subject comes up with over a million results a month ago)?
I can tell you that I use my HP vista laptop for "normal" use such as internet... and that's it. Nothing was installed on the computer just the normal HP crap (which really is pretty decent now days compared to my 2005 hp laptop).
Oh and lets not forget I can't view anything in full screen.
Yea... Vista sucks, and im not even close to being like the nerds on youtube bashing vista.
If computerworld.com is saying 7 is all that plus a bag of beans, then im game.... BUT like all OS's i'll wait a good year or two before buying the upgrade for my selfbuilt desktop. As for the laptop, i'll plead to HP to give me the upgrade from vista 64bit to 7 64bit.
tell me something Mr. "i use for normal daily use"
do you have a screen saver that DOESNT work due to the Microsoft wireless mouse issue (MS admits in their knowledge base website that there is no work around for this which includes MS wireless mouse, AND logictec wireless mouse causing screensavers not to work... look it up) AND do you have to manually hit ctrl alt shift at user login and manually run "explorer.exe" just to get your start menu, desktop background and icons to show (another known bug that MS claims to have a fix but doesnt fix the problem at all. Infact doing a google search on this subject comes up with over a million results a month ago)?
I can tell you that I use my HP vista laptop for "normal" use such as internet... and that's it. Nothing was installed on the computer just the normal HP crap (which really is pretty decent now days compared to my 2005 hp laptop).
Oh and lets not forget I can't view anything in full screen.
Yea... Vista sucks, and im not even close to being like the nerds on youtube bashing vista.
If computerworld.com is saying 7 is all that plus a bag of beans, then im game.... BUT like all OS's i'll wait a good year or two before buying the upgrade for my selfbuilt desktop. As for the laptop, i'll plead to HP to give me the upgrade from vista 64bit to 7 64bit.
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The way things are going Windows 7 should be free
No outlook express & now no IE in the EU ....what ever next...
what good a operating system built around the internet without internet acceass???
No outlook express & now no IE in the EU ....what ever next...
what good a operating system built around the internet without internet acceass???
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Win 7 still requires a Gig of RAM. This was a little hard to come by years ago. Isn't that the same as Vista? I was hoping Windows 7 would be trimmer in that regard as well.
Memory is cheap... incredibly so... and as always, the more the merrier.
So Guest, what is the problem with identifying yourself?
That way, maybe we can better understand why you have the narrow view of VISTA and Windows 7. Is it just that your experience in personal computers is limited? Or that you simply do not see a lot of computers and configurations other than your own?
So Guest, what is the problem with identifying yourself?
That way, maybe we can better understand why you have the narrow view of VISTA and Windows 7. Is it just that your experience in personal computers is limited? Or that you simply do not see a lot of computers and configurations other than your own?
We haven't actually placed the order, but I have contacted four of the vendors to find that it seems possible to do so, while being trouble-free.
Our only reluctance is that there will be seven versions of Windows 7, and the price drop is only for two versions, from what we have been told on the phone.
We just want more information, but will likely place 25 orders when ready.
Our only reluctance is that there will be seven versions of Windows 7, and the price drop is only for two versions, from what we have been told on the phone.
We just want more information, but will likely place 25 orders when ready.
LinkedKube
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LinkedKube
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Goodluck with your findings, I'm sure you're skilled enough to figure it out before the retail date.
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windows 7 is faster and probably has a better memory management than Vista. I however see no difference between vista & 7. I have been using vista 64bit for two years and had no crashes, no freezes and no blue/black screen. Vista runs few games just fine but run other games like crap. The only reason i'll be getting win 7 because it runs ArmAII much better than Vista, otherwise i'm not paying Micrsoft to get Vista second edition.
I wish I could day that was true of all the highly qualified clients we put on VISTA Business 64 Bit. It has been a disaster of failures and rebuilds for too many of them.
Windows 7, free version we migrated them to, has been remarkable more stable, and they are all happy campers at the moment.
Windows 7, free version we migrated them to, has been remarkable more stable, and they are all happy campers at the moment.
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