Left 4 Dead 2 boycotters at 21,000 members and growing

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Darkshadoe

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TomSEA said:
Apples & oranges argument, darkshadoe. Complaining about a game release and stealing it are two completely different things.
Either way, Valve is going to loose $1,050,000. So what makes the difference going by your 21000 insignificant people argument?

One may argue also that of those 21K who illegally download it, a certain percentage may actually purchase the game for the online multiplayer capabilities. Therefore, Valve would lose less money by illegal downloading than by alienating 21k people and them not purchasing the game anyways.
 

complexxL9

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pol*****ic said:
TomSEA said:
Assuming that 5 million units have been sold, if I were Valve I wouldn't even begin to pay attention until the protestors had reached the 10% threshold. That's 500,000 gamers, folks. Hard for me to visualize a half-million people getting this upset over it, personally.
21,000 complaints are still quite a bit. Asking for 10% is a bit much, when most people are reluctant to or too timid to say anything, and smaller sample populations for polls have been taken to get valid results before, such as election polls. Out of about 300 million Americans, Gallup continues to take sample populations of about 1,000-2,000 people from around the country and produce polls that are pretty accurate.

21,000 out of 5,000,000 is about .42% of the population
My calculator won't do 1000/300,000,000, but it's about .003% of the population or about

Just throwing that out there. Valve would be wise to listen to the 21,000. ;/
There's a logical mistake in your assumptions. In case of election polls 1000-2000 "samples" are people to be asked of their opinion and those 21k here are people with known opinion. If you ask random opinions of 21k (or 1-2k) players out of those 5kk then you can have approximate overall opinion and not listen just to those who are not happy.
 
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TomSEA said:
Assuming that 5 million units have been sold, if I were Valve I wouldn't even begin to pay attention until the protestors had reached the 10% threshold. That's 500,000 gamers, folks. Hard for me to visualize a half-million people getting this upset over it, personally.


They said Left 4 Dead has been sold round about 2.5 million times.
The boycot group has a bit more then 23000 people in it at the moment, which makes it 0.92%.
 

njmarkham

TS Rookie
What a load of rubbish. Left 4 Dead 2 is planned because the first one was so good. If it's splits the community, so what. I bought L4D1 pre-release and I will do the same for L4D2, if's it no good, people will ask for their money back. I think there is only one point to make, move on people!
 
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njmarkham said:
What a load of rubbish. Left 4 Dead 2 is planned because the first one was so good. If it's splits the community, so what. I bought L4D1 pre-release and I will do the same for L4D2, if's it no good, people will ask for their money back. I think there is only one point to make, move on people!
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What a load of rubbish, indeed !
The development on Left 4 Dead 2 started like 1 week after Left 4 Dead 1 was released, as the developers said in an interview.

A game like Left 4 Dead, with lobby system and lobby search.. will just work if lots of people are using it.
Thats partly why they put in so much money into advertisement for that game I guess. A split in the community, wont be good for searching lobby games later, thats for sure.

Also I never heard people got their money back cause they just said its no good, i want my money back and Valve does it - lol made my day !

Dont take me wrong, i prolly will buy the game too, cause if u like L4D 1, u prolly will like L4d2 as well. L4d2 seems not much different from the first one, but i will wait for a 50% off weekend to buy it.
New skins and new models can be made easily.
The new campaigns sound good, as well as the new director / weather system.

I really hope the boycott group will make Valve think about their promisses.
24.000 people and growing.. not bad !
 

gobbybobby

TS Guru
Im sure valve will sort somethink out to keep fans happy. Like a discount for people who bought L4D 1. This has cauced quite a stir, with some strong opinions. All websites that have reported this story have ended up creating an argument among users.
 

polidiotic

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complexxL9 said:

There's a logical mistake in your assumptions. In case of election polls 1000-2000 "samples" are people to be asked of their opinion and those 21k here are people with known opinion. If you ask random opinions of 21k (or 1-2k) players out of those 5kk then you can have approximate overall opinion and not listen just to those who are not happy.
That being said, 21000 people is still a significant number. Wouldn't it be a logical assumption to assume that IF you actually did take a random sample of about 1,000 people in the nation, that a good percentage would agree with them?
 

MrAnderson

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Yes 21000 is a lot of people where sales of a game are considered. I don't think the community is going to be split. This reaction is premature.

If you don't want to pay the release price, wait till the price goes down. I plan to continue to invest my time in L4D and the new game will not change this for me. I'll buy part 2 when they have a sale or when I feel like it. I don't feel pressured to do anything I don't want to do and I have not been given any sign not to be excited about new content coming down the pipe from Valve and modders for L4D. It has the largest install base so it would still be the prime area to build new content.

I'm really sure Vavle thought people would be happy. Yes they are trying to make money, that is what pays the bills and lets them continue to make us new stuff. Give them a chance at least though. Geez
 

polidiotic

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MrAnderson said:
Yes 21000 is a lot of people where sales of a game are considered. I don't think the community is going to be split. This reaction is premature.

If you don't want to pay the release price, wait till the price goes down. I plan to continue to invest my time in L4D and the new game will not change this for me. I'll buy part 2 when they have a sale or when I feel like it. I don't feel pressured to do anything I don't want to do and I have not been given any sign not to be excited about new content coming down the pipe from Valve and modders for L4D. It has the largest install base so it would still be the prime area to build new content.

I'm really sure Vavle thought people would be happy. Yes they are trying to make money, that is what pays the bills and lets them continue to make us new stuff. Give them a chance at least though. Geez
You get the award for most logical reasoning of the day. While I do think that people are going to be annoyed with this, I do agree with and share your point of view.
 

LinkedKube

TechSpot Project Baby
this is probably one of the most rediculous articles I've read about games. How many games are out now that have been patched and patched and updated, and then made into a sequal. QQ more, its a rant fest that will get nowhere.
 
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I dont see why people are so down about a l4d sequal so soon. I bought the original when it first come out for my 360, then bought it AGAIN for my PC. I love left 4 dead: i can say its the one zombie game i dont get bored of.

Im more then willing to by the sequel. l4d is a game i love, and the fact that a sequel is just a year after the first doesnt bother me at all. Sure, it'd be cool to see an expansion, but look at it from valve's point of veiw: l4d2 includes new people and new places. if l4d2 was ONLY that, id ask for it to be an expansion. But its not.

l4d2 will also have melee weapons, more bosses, new guns. and actual models responding to being shot (holes through people and limbs coming off). To include those things, on top of the new locations, in a "simple expansion" would be silly to try to do. Not only have they reworked the AI of the zombies to respond to whatever new bosses their adding (and the director that places the bosses), but all the models need to be able to react to losing their limbs and such. there would also be alot of effort into incorporating the new weapons into the older areas in ways that made sence.

AND the fact that this is all coming so soon, is very exciting. Valve also mentioned actual storytelling, which was something i was really let down about in the first game. BUT one thing I WOULD like to see, not from a "grr i want my money's worth" standpoint, but from someone who has played series like Gears of War, I think it'd be really neat to let people who bought the original l4d be able play as the original cast during multiplayer. Because that doesnt seem TOO incredibly hard to do, and would definently satisfy fans like me, who have really come to enjoy the cast from the original.
 
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..over 30.000 people meanwhile are not very happy with l4d2.
The boycott group grows fast and as for me I joined as well.

I will buy l4d2... prolly when its 50% off, so its worth the price... .
..but valve has broken some real important promisses, and they really lost reputation for that.
 
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AS LONG AS IT GETS REALESED I COULD NOT GIVE A MONKEYS ****!!! just make it good haha
 
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boycotting l4d 2 is bull ****
the boycott are a bunch of ****ing ***** who wanna cheap-skate their way through the gaming community
they dont seem to see the point of "a sequel"
the point of making a sequel is to improve on the first therefore you shouldnt wanna play the first one except to appreciate where the game came from
the fact that they're trying to ruin business because of dlc is stupid. why does it matter?
if all the dlc goes to l4d2 then we would have a much better game because its pretty obvious that it IS gonna be better with way more for valve to work with
 
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