Major US ISPs joining RIAA, MPAA to punish pirates

[captaincranky]

since when do you think your ISP is worried about what moral, ethical, or really even legal for that matter? I can think of many things that several things these companies do that just barely scrapes any of those and they don't even get a second look by good ol gov't. This same statement goes for MPAA and RIAA also.

All of those organizations you've mentioned, contribute far more than you or I do to election campaigns.

That said, The RIAA particularly has been diligently trying to re legislate copyright law in the courts also. It seems to be working. And with that said, even the ACLU might have a difficult time trying to prove that stopping piracy violates anyone's civil rights. I'm jus' sayin'.

 

[aj_the_kidd]

enjoy the freedom whilst you can

 

[IAMTHESTIG]

RIAA and MPAA are a bunch of greedy, money grabbing morons. Look, I respect copyrights and all but these guys seem to ignore the two main reasons people 'pirate'. 1. It's easy, convenient, and non-restricted. And 2, it's free!

If these *****s would get it into their little one-track minds that if you make music and movies easy to find and download, non-DRM protected so it's easy to transfer to other devices, and made the prices reasonable then you would get a lot less people stealing crap. Since Amazon.com has DRM free MP3's I buy all my music from them. However movies and TV shows are still not available like music is.... and netflix is not an answer. I don't want to stream, I wan't to download and save it on my media server so I don't have to rely on an internet connection.

So RIAA and MPAA, stop being a bunch of greedy dicks. Embrace the internet and use it to make money in a way consumers will enjoy. Plenty of other companies have figured this out, get out of the 20th century and make us want to buy your products.

 

[Guest]

Uh, try to cap it? They've had it capped for the past few years now and more lol xD

 

[captaincranky]

So RIAA and MPAA, stop being a bunch of greedy dicks. Embrace the internet and use it to make money in a way consumers will enjoy. Plenty of other companies have figured this out, get out of the 20th century and make us want to buy your products.

Well first, that would be in direct opposition to basic human nature. And second,, some people enjoy tractor pulls and "Big Foot".So there you have it, there's no accounting for taste, and companies play that card every time they can.

 

[Mindwraith]

another reason why im glad that i dont live in America
Australia may be technologicaly backwards, but at least it means our government doesnt have the slightest idea about how to stop piracy or catch people who do it

 

[Guest]

Why should ISP's even care? To them, the RIAA and such should be like a little dog that constantly nips at their heels until they finally kick it away. You don't reward that sort of behavior by giving a dog what it wants. Why would you reward a big, hungry monstrosity of a corporation? Damn.

 

[captaincranky]

another reason why im glad that i dont live in America
Australia may be technologicaly backwards, but at least it means our government doesnt have the slightest idea about how to stop piracy or catch people who do it

And we can tell the Australia is, "technologicaly backwards", since you can't spell, "technologically". Ah, you forgot one of the "elles", no biggie.

But theoretically speaking, is a government that can't catch pirates because it is technologically backwards, a good thing. Or is it a bad thing that merely defaults to a good thing?

God save the Queen!

 

[slamscaper]

It scares me to think about the methods the so-called "copyright holders" will begin to use to monitor user traffic. Sooner or later, they will not be satisfied with simply logging all the IP's they find downloading a torrent.

Where's this going next? Will they ask the ISP's to place keyloggers on a (suspected) pirate's PC? Where's the line? At what point do your rights become violated?

Instead of taking this route, the MPAA\RIAA should be putting all their effort into spreading the word in regards to the consequences of piracy. For example, do to the fact that pirates have illegally downloaded so many Britney Spears songs, she had to downgrade to a Gulfstream 4. What's the big deal you ask? She used to have a Gulfstream 5... Still want to download free music? Didn't think so...

 

[captaincranky]

Instead of taking this route, the MPAA\RIAA should be putting all their effort into spreading the word in regards to the consequences of piracy.

By making this statement, can I conclude that you've never actually watched a DVD? Because they certainly, "spread the word" on infringement there.

For example, do to the fact that pirates have illegally downloaded so many Britney Spears songs, she had to downgrade to a Gulfstream 4. What's the big deal you ask? She used to have a Gulfstream 5... Still want to download free music? Didn't think so...

Well, The Britster took off a couple of years to have a couple of ugly kids, had a nervous breakdown, forgot how to dance, got a bigger ***, and hung around with zero talent coke skank Paris Hilton. Do you think that had anything to do with a drop, (however temporary), in record sales? All of that notwithstanding, she didn't actually have that much talent in the first place. So no, I have no intention of downloading any of her current crap. Nor do I have any intention of helping out "poor Britney", by paying for any of her "music" either.

 

[ramonsterns]

pinothyj said:

I personally spend my money on other things, but that is for another thread…

And thus your point is rendered moot, isn't it?

Just because one person you know likes to throw away money doesn't mean everything is fine.

 

[slamscaper]

By making this statement, can I conclude that you've never actually watched a DVD? Because they certainly, "spread the word" on infringement there.

No, you misunderstood. It's obvious that the ominous FBI warning posted at the beginning of every DVD movie has done virtually nothing to deter piracy. I'm saying that they should take a different approach to fighting piracy that would highlight the aftermath of it from the celebrities point of view.

I mean, folks might think twice about downloading that free song after they hear that Lars Ulrich wasn't able to afford the gold-plated cocktail bar he wanted for his pool area this month, but instead has to wait a few months before he can purchase it due to all the money he's lost from users downloading his band's music illegally.

Once people realize that pirating movies and music will doom the celebs to a life of only semi-luxury, I think it'll be a huge wake-up call.

lol

 

[Richy2k9]

hello ...

i already said so ... "it has begun !!!"

anyway, piracy isn't because of the price, but because of it's availability. The ISP could sanction the culprits, yet they don't do anything to prevent them doing so.

Alternative routes exists & yet not safe, there is no anonymity on the net! hackers on 1 hand & pirates on the other hand are pushing corporates & sometimes directly the governments to make pressure over ISPs & new laws will be set, it's only the beginning.

Tor or whatever other network 'private' have their flaws! It's not the price, for i've seen some students prefer download cracked games instead of buying same for cheap on steamy site & alike, i've seen rich patrons wishing to crack their consoles instead of buying original games, even cheap ones .. it's just their way of thinking, it is available, there's a way i can get it for free, so there's no way i shall pay for so. what's weird, the time taken to download a pirated game is often longer than the time off legal sites for a small price & the difference over electricity bills make buying legit software a full win!

I'm against piracy where it shouldn't exist, i do not condone yet understand some reasons behind (like unavailability of a specific material (try to buy some old games that even GoG don't have, some music from some specific zone, or movies/tv series when you are in some islands) .. if i'm not going this way it's simple, i just don't want to & believe in rewarding people's of their work, even if it means waiting for a price drop, some special sales to get my hand on anything, for in the 1st place, i still don't have enough time for everything.

too bad, but it's like that ..

cheers!

 

[Gallifrey2]

darkshadoe said:
Downloading illegally does not "stick it to the man" as so many think. It just makes them do retarded crap like this. If you really want to hurt them, don't buy their products til it comes down to a reasonable price. Force them to drop their prices. Its simple and legal. You DONT have to have that game, movie or song the day it comes out and they do make more.

I'm all for busting these greedy corporations down a peg, but there are better means than getting myself or others in legal trouble.

Exaclty, we do not buy DVD's or Blue Rays until they come down in price. If you are patient enough you can get most TV show box sets for 19.99 per season. Movies usually go down to the less then 15 dollar range too. It is even better if you know others that pick up box sets or movies that you don't have and you can swap with them. No need to download as there are many other options now.

Best thing to do is not purchase the products at the outragous prices. That is the ulitmate form of sticking it to the man. It is our money, if we don't like the prices, don't buy them.

 

[Guest]

piracy will never end, this just gives pirates an excuse to find an new form of P2P that is un traceable. Pirates will adapt and find ways around this nonsense.

 

[captaincranky]

No, you misunderstood. It's obvious that the ominous FBI warning posted at the beginning of every DVD movie has done virtually nothing to deter piracy. I'm saying that they should take a different approach to fighting piracy that would highlight the aftermath of it from the celebrities point of view.

Yeah right.

I mean, folks might think twice about downloading that free song after they hear that Lars Ulrich wasn't able to afford the gold-plated cocktail bar he wanted for his pool area this month, but instead has to wait a few months before he can purchase it due to all the money he's lost from users downloading his band's music illegally.

Once people realize that pirating movies and music will doom the celebs to a life of only semi-luxury, I think it'll be a huge wake-up call.

Not to mention that the Aptly named, (rather pronounced), "Robin Leach", would have to find a job that didn't involve shouting about how much they have. (Catch the back story here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Leach ).

Pretty much the entertainment industry social / economic dynamic is modeled after a tick on the a** of a tick on the a** , of a tick on the a**, ad naseum. I mean really, "paparazzi" literally means "stinging insect". The last a** in the sequence belongs to you and I,

On some levels, you can't defend celebrity excess wealth, since they oftentimes get worse as their "art matures". This is true a lot with musical acts. Hence the term, "one hit wonders". Then there's the Charlie Sheen saga.. The pubic's stupidity got him more than a half million bucks for each 22 minutes of actual product.

(I spelled "public's" wrong? Not really).

 

[amstech]

Any ISP that starts to offer layers of restriction will force thier customers onto another ISP.
People aren't going to pay for internet if they can't use it the way they want.

 

[amstech]

If Time Warner told me tonight they are limiting my service based off my browsing, I would not be with them tomorrow.

 

[captaincranky]

Any ISP that starts to offer layers of restriction will force thier customers onto another ISP.
People aren't going to pay for internet if they can't use it the way they want.

If Time Warner told me tonight they are limiting my service based off my browsing, I would not be with them tomorrow.

Well, first off, learn to use the edit button, rather than serially posting fairy tail hopes and outcomes.

All of this presumes someone has another ISP to run to, and that that ISP will look the other way at your convenience.

 

[treetops]

No wonder netflix is killing the competition, the competition is wasting money on isp's instead of providing affordable service.

 

[treetops]

@freedomthinker thats france not america

 

[Guest]

Look at the overfilled U.S. prison system, there's no room for this nonsense. Maybe the U.S. will legalize pot, let the pot smokers out of jail and replace them with downloader criminals. Let the MPAA, the RIAA build some illegal downloader prisons. How about if your caught your sentence is dail-up for life. Sheez, can't we all just get along.

 

[MilwaukeeMike]

Want to know why they don't provide you the songs/movies/etc for cheap? There are more middle men and everyone wants a cut. Make an album and the studio and artist sell it to best buy and divide up the money. But they can't do that with an mp3. They'll have to have a contract with Apple to sell the song on iTunes and right now that price that keeps everyone happy is $1. What price would make people not want to steal it? 25 cents? 10 cents? Anything probably under 85 cents and Apple probably won't be interested in selling it unless they get to keep their 75 cents or whatever, and the studio won't agree to only gettin 10... see how this goes? it's why spotify has had so much trouble getting studios on board.

And you can't say... just make it free.. blah blah blah... we NEED the ability for people to become rich. it's a conerstone of innovation. There's a general lack of innovation in the USA right now because so much talent has gone into the financial industry, and that leaves fewer and fewer smart people to design our next electric car or fusion reactor or iPod or tablet. If you want cool and innovative stuff the people who make it have to be able to make money. If they can't make tons of money we won't have anymore blockbuster high-budget movies (at least not good ones), we'll all be stuck watching Fried Green Tomatoes.

They're not going to make 'better' stuff and charge less anymore than you're going to go to work this Saturday for free just so your boss likes you more.

 

[Trillionsin]

slamscaper said:
It scares me to think about the methods the so-called "copyright holders" will begin to use to monitor user traffic. Sooner or later, they will not be satisfied with simply logging all the IP's they find downloading a torrent.

Where's this going next? Will they ask the ISP's to place keyloggers on a (suspected) pirate's PC? Where's the line? At what point do your rights become violated?

Instead of taking this route, the MPAA\RIAA should be putting all their effort into spreading the word in regards to the consequences of piracy. For example, do to the fact that pirates have illegally downloaded so many Britney Spears songs, she had to downgrade to a Gulfstream 4. What's the big deal you ask? She used to have a Gulfstream 5... Still want to download free music? Didn't think so...

LOL isnt this from a south park episode or something???

 

[Guest]

I imagine paying to consume every episode of never ending running series of watching movies that turn out to be garbage (which is most of them) there simple isn't enough money going around. It's just junk data that gets put out at for passive TV watching.

Quite simple they overcharge for their products which are worth at most $1- $3 per DVD\CD.

This will never happen but people should stop falling victim to marketing and product hype campaign's and stop buying this sh*t in droves.

And now the internet is also being flooded with damn advertisements before every video we watch, they want to turn this into cable tv 2.0 and lock us into a pay on demand to read news and watch shows etc. DO NOT FALL VICTIM TO THIS SCARE CAMPAIGN, IF YOUR ISP IS ON THE LIST AND YOU CAN LEAVE THEM, DO SO! Hit them in the pocket and they'll give the finger to RIAA\MPAA