Making a computer for the first time, need some tips

By Havingphun ยท 54 replies
Jan 2, 2012
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  1. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

    How did my thread end up in the overclocking cooling and modding section?
  2. mailpup

    mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 7,182   +469

    Maybe because so much of the conversation was about overclocking? Moving.
  3. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

    Thanks mailpup.
    Also I have one more question for anyone who replies. Would I need a sound card or doesn't the motherboard come with it built in?
  4. mailpup

    mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 7,182   +469

    The motherboard does come with onboard sound so you don't need a sound card. If you wish, you could always add one later.
  5. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

    Ok, Thanks. Will all these parts work together. What HDD would you suggest I use? Do you suggest anything else for this pc?
  6. mailpup

    mailpup TS Special Forces Posts: 7,182   +469

    I believe this is the one you originally wanted: Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500G. My personal preference is Western Digital but I don't have anything against Seagate.

    As for the RAM, it might be on this list: Corsair RAM.
  7. PC nerd

    PC nerd TS Booster Posts: 317   +41

    Simple list:

    • i5 2500K
    • Z68 motherboard from ASUS, Asrock or Gigabyte
    • 7850 2GB - 'tis a wonderful graphics card for it's price
    • 8GB RAM (2 x 4GB 1600MHz)
    • 128GB SSD from samsung, crucial or intel (They're so cheap now, it would be stupid to not get one)
    • Any mechanical hard drive will do as a secondary, as long as it's SATA. Buying a new hard drive at the moment isn't a great idea, because they're still really expensive at the moment.
    • A decent 650W power supply (Seasonic and XFX are probably the best)
    • A decent case (You don't want to cheap out on the case. It will bite you in the arse later on)

    You won't need a dedicated sound card or anything. The sound chip built into the motherboard is good.
  8. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,713   +3,691

    This is a complete build, capacity to most is just as important as speed. What is confusing to me is why you would suggest speed over capacity to the point of calling someone stupid if they didn't purchase an SSD while the prices are the practically the same.

    You can purchase a 1TB HDD drive even a 2TB drive for the same price as the SSD you mentioned. While the SSD would lack in the department of capacity, the HDD would suffice in all departments. While I own an SSD and enjoy using it, it wouldn't be the end of the world if I had to fall back on an HDD. Where one would be considered stupid is purchasing an SSD when they needed capacity and only had money for one drive.
  9. MrBlkfx1

    MrBlkfx1 TS Evangelist Posts: 863   +204

    Stick with the current MOBO and put the extra money into a different GPU. The GTX 560ti is good but you can get better and will want better. This is a gaming rig right?

    As for space. I agree with Clifford, it would be silly to go with a SSD over HDD. Now, if you can get both that is great. But I wouldn't solely depend on a SSD for my storage needs.
  10. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,996   +1,317

    I would suggest replacing the i5 2500k with the newly released ivy bridge i5-3570k, just to be a little more future proof.
    also, I would not recommend a business keyboard for gaming purposes, as you might have ghosting issues (for example, some keyboards have problem with moving forward, sprinting, and jumping at the same time in some shooters).

    thats just my 10 cents though.
  11. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

    This is my current build:

    Motherboard: Z68 Asrock extreme 3 gen 3: $121

    CPU:Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K: $230

    Gpu: HIS IceQ X H785QN2G2M Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - $250

    RAM: Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model TXD38192M1600HC9DC-D $41

    HDD:Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $80

    Power Supply: XFX Core Edition PRO650W (P1-650S-NLB9) 650W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply $77

    Case: Cooler Master Storm trooper: $140

    SSD for caching: OCZ Agility 3: $65

    OS: Windows 7 home premium 64 - bit: $100

    BD Drive: Lite - on 12x BD drive: $50 - Is this drive reliable, will it work with the other parts.

    Keyboard: Logitech K200: $21

    Mouse: Logitech Optical USB Mouse B100 : $12
    Total: $1347

    A couple things:

    Is that a good enough gpu or would I want better?

    is there any cheap but good gaming keyboards?

    I changed the cpu to the ivy bridge.

    Im having the seagate hdd for my primary and the ssd for my secondary harddrive.

    So would this run skyrim at maxed out settings with graphics mods? Also will it max out games like crysis, BF3, civilization 5, etc maxed out?

    Since I have a little extra money,(I would rather not go over $1500,). Are the cpu and gpu and other parts powerful enough would you guys suggest a nice gaming keyboard(Hopefully cheap, I don't need a hundred dollar keyboard) or improvements to any of the parts? Also I am buying warranties for all ogf the parts that I can, except for accesories. Sice this is my first build and I might ruin some pieces. But the warranties can go over the $1500 mark.
  12. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,996   +1,317

    I think that GPU will do fine, it can do battlefield 3 on higher settings. I dont know if it can max out skyrim with all the fancy FX improvement mods and stuff and keep it above 60 FPS, but for sure above 30 (which is still smooth). You wont be able to completely max out BF3 without spending at least 300 bucks on a video card, I would think. that CPU is just fine.
    That disc drive should work fine.
    I just picked up a Saitek Eclipse II
    may be a little out of your price range, but I personally like it so far. nice and backlit and stuff.
  13. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

    Well I have a little extra money for a better gpu. It can cost $350 to $400. What would you recommend?
  14. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,996   +1,317

    oh, lucky :D
    apparently nvdia is better in this price range, from what ive heard (dont quote me on that)
    so maybe a GTX 670?
    says hes BF3 at ultra at 65 FPS
    I wouldnt change your video card unless someone else confirms this is the most valid purchase though, as im not completely certain
  15. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

    Ok thanks. I'm sure someone else will soon.
  16. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

    Can anyone confirm what ikesmasher said. Or know of a even better card in that range?
  17. MrBlkfx1

    MrBlkfx1 TS Evangelist Posts: 863   +204

    The GTX 670 is the card you want if you going to be in that price range.
  18. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

    Thanks I decided on getting the gtx 680 with 4gb of vram and a 16 ram. So the pc will last longer. will I need a stronger power source?
  19. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

    Case: Cooler Master Storm Trooper
    HDD: Seagate Barracuda 500Gb SATA
    GPU: EVGA GTX 680 4Gb of vram
    Power Source: XFX 650 watt
    RAM: Corsair Vengance 16Gb (4 x 4Gb) DDR3
    Motherboard: Z68 Asrock Extreme 3 Gen 3
    CPU: i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo)
    SSD: OCZ Agility 3 60Gb SATA
    OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 - bit

    1. Will that all work together?
    2. Would I need a higher wattage power source?
    3. The gpu says its GDDR5 but my motherboard supports DDR3 for the normal ram will it work with this gpu?
    4. I don't know what happened to the color of the text.

    I am also thinking about getting the Noctua NH-D14 as an extra cooler. I was told I probably should not since this my first build. But I plan on overclocking and making this pc last longer. So would it fit with all of these parts in this case. Are there any resources online to check compatability of parts?
  20. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,996   +1,317

    4GB of dont think its worth the extra what, 75 or 100 bucks over a 2GB? but whatever.
    I dont THINK you will need a stronger power supply, but dont quote me on that either.
  21. MrBlkfx1

    MrBlkfx1 TS Evangelist Posts: 863   +204

    Yes.. all of it will work fine together. But If I were you. I would look into the Z77 boards for your CPU. The 650W PSU will power the system fine. But.. I would go for a diffirent brand. Antec,Corsair, and Seasonic are pretty reliable names. I can't say I am a fan of OCZ SSD's either. I know a couple of their SSD's had a lot of firmware issues. I personally owned one that crashed within hours. They could have gotten their act together though. I would recommend any of the Samsung 830 series SSD's. I haven't had one hiccup yet from my Samsung SSD.

    Yes. Everything will work fine.

    As for your choice of Heatsink. I think the Noctua would be a good addition to the build. Especially if you plan to OC. If you are unsure if everything will fit. Grab dimensions of the case and HS. You will see if they conflict.

    As for the 4GB of Vram.. I agree with Ikesmasher. It will be overkill and a waste of money.
  22. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

    Ok about the 4gb of vram. Honestly I don't want to pay even more for that. Its actually another $220 uhhh! :eek:. But Im worried that the pc will not last as long.

    I hear that modded skyrim can take up to 3 gbs of vram. I think this is what ill probably be using: Official hd pack, hd 2k pack, flora and fauna mod, realistic lighting, enb series, better distant terrain, water fx, better rain, sounds of skyrim - both packs, etc. I have 110+ mods downloaded now, most are not graphics except the ones I listed. But what do you guys think? Will future games really take up more than 2 gb of vram? Will skyrim with mods like that? The thing I worry about is that future games will and I will have to buy a $620 gpu. Or do you think by then it will be alot cheaper?

    If you guys can convince me not to buy the expensive card I would be really happy. I just sold my ps3 and games for a measly $120. But if I don't have to pay that extra $200 I can buy my turtle beaches and the noctua now instead of later. I saw an article somewhere and it said that most games now do not even reach 2gb. Even the witcher 2 does not with ubersampling on. Alot of them hover around 1gb of vram. So is it worth getting the 2 extra gbs of vram?
  23. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

    Oh one more thing, if I do get an ssd for caching does it really increase game speed or just loading time? Are they worth buying?

    Edit: I know I have alot of questions but on newegg there is an option on most parts that allows you to get an extended one year warranty. Even if I don't get that will I still have a warranty through the company that makes that part. Is that just a warranty through newegg or is it a warranty through the actual company who makes it? Because if the ssd only increases load times and I still get a warranty through the manufacturer then I would like to cancel all of that and end up saving $170. So would I still have a warranty for the parts even if I don't choose to have warranties on them on newegg?

    Would something like this work for the motherboard?:
    Why do you recommend the Z77 motherboards?
  24. ikesmasher

    ikesmasher TS Evangelist Posts: 2,996   +1,317

    SSDs are significantly faster for game loading times, but not as much game speeds. They are worth buying if you copy alot of files or you need to load huge video files to edit or something. But you gotta be careful, you shouldnt write too many times on a SSD or they will wear out.
  25. Havingphun

    Havingphun TS Enthusiast Topic Starter Posts: 84

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