Mark Zuckerberg is $7 billion poorer as more companies join Facebook ad boycott

Freddie159

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Is that concluding these company are against free speech because someone feeling got hurt? I not liking hate or Facebook, but my hunch is this is part of bigger conspiracy. I not blame Facebook for what user post and also not believe in censor. These company getting free advertisement in news coverages by not paying for advertise though. very clever on them.
NO the companies got tired of their ads being alongside the hate filled speech, they asked for a change and asusual Zuckerpud said 'we will review it' and as usual did nothing so the companies responded.
 

Freddie159

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Okay... so where online is there free speech?

Seems like if I can't share my opinion online... anywhere...
THAT MY FRIEND IS THE END OF FREE SPEECH!
So liberals control media/corporations/online...

On your own paid for website, using someone esles website means you can be censored.
 

Freddie159

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How about the people working at facebook who have to read just terrible profile after terrible profile? I feel bad for them. There are plenty of articles about people with terrible PTSD from moderating. And what if no one wants to do it? Then facebook couldn't censor at all.
There is no way FB doesn't have a filter in place to remove most of those profiles, the ones that get thru the filters are the ones that aren't using the traditional code words. And they are probably working on words used together to further thin the herd.
 

Freddie159

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Free speeches is concept not specific to any country or law of that country. when I talk of free speeches I am not talk of your country law. america may have crippled version of free speeches. I do not care. Facebook is global operation. your law should not impact on me.
And your rules about online privacy should not affect me but they DO, the problem is every Country has rules under which a Company must operate that's why Companies move, taxes is a biggie but so is online rules with one Country being more lax than another. FB is a US based company so yes you are affected by it's rules.
 

fireworksordie

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There is no way FB doesn't have a filter in place to remove most of those profiles, the ones that get thru the filters are the ones that aren't using the traditional code words. And they are probably working on words used together to further thin the herd.
I read this article when it came out:
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/...-interviews-trauma-working-conditions-arizona

It really made me think about the difficulty and costs of moderating, yet how loudly it is demanded by groups. I'm not sure what the solution is, I see both sides.
 
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Adorerai

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Trump haters are just as violent and hateful as anyone else. They just claim they aren’t.

“Two African American men are dead, at a place where they claim to be working for Black Lives Matter”.

How is that even possible? It’s the Capitol Hill Organized Protest. Isn’t it supposed to be all kumbaya between African Americans and everyone else.

 

AnalyzeThis

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Free speeches is concept not specific to any country or law of that country. when I talk of free speeches I am not talk of your country law. america may have crippled version of free speeches. I do not care. Facebook is global operation. your law should not impact on me.
"Hate speech in the United States is not regulated, in contrast to that of most other liberal democracies, due to the robust right to free speech found in the American Constitution.[1] The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that hate speech is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment. The most recent Supreme Court case on the issue was in 2017, when the justices unanimously reaffirmed that there is effectively no "hate speech" exception to the free speech rights protected by the First Amendment."
 

poohbear

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Well you either have free speech or you don't, hurting someone's feelings should not be seen as hate speech, whoever came up with this was quite smart I will tell you that
I wish it was so black and white (no pun intended!). Is falsely yelling "FIRE!!!" in a packed movie theater freedom of speech? What if people get injured, or even killed, as a stampede to the Exit happens because of the person yelling "fire"? When people get injured or killed as a result of what someone is saying or NOT saying, it changes things drastically.
 

Adi6293

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I wish it was so black and white (no pun intended!). Is falsely yelling "FIRE!!!" in a packed movie theater freedom of speech? What if people get injured, or even killed, as a stampede to the Exit happens because of the person yelling "fire"? When people get injured or killed as a result of what someone is saying or NOT saying, it changes things drastically.
Yes but that's common sense you just know NOT to do that because people will get hurt but calling someone a name or saying an edgy joke it's just words, it goes in one ear and goes out through the other so yes this is " black and white" because what we have atm it's definitely not freedom of speech with this PC stuff everywhere
 

Gastec

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Last time I checked Facebook was the Number 1 platform where all the progressive extremist groups are promoting their destructive propaganda. Maybe that's the main reason for the boycott? I mean, when they force you to remove words such as white/whitening, fair/fairness, light/lightening from your products, maybe it's time to do something.
 
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Gastec

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I wish it was so black and white (no pun intended!). Is falsely yelling "FIRE!!!" in a packed movie theater freedom of speech? What if people get injured, or even killed, as a stampede to the Exit happens because of the person yelling "fire"? When people get injured or killed as a result of what someone is saying or NOT saying, it changes things drastically.
In my Eastern-European country people are not that stupid as to create a stampede when you yell "Fire!"in a movie theater. They'd rather slap you over the back of your head.
 

Gastec

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Trump haters are just as violent and hateful as anyone else. They just claim they aren’t.

“Two African American men are dead, at a place where they claim to be working for Black Lives Matter”.

How is that even possible? It’s the Capitol Hill Organized Protest. Isn’t it supposed to be all kumbaya between African Americans and everyone else.
Go to your propagandist Facebook with that alarmist title!
 

Michiel

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There is a bit of truth to what you are suggesting.

Does hate speech exist on social media platforms? I don't see it personally, but I assume so, yes. Until people themselves stop being *****s, *****ic expressions will be found in places where these people tend to express themselves. That's just the way it is.

There is an extremely tenuous line between "hate" and "offend". There is a program in place to obfuscate the distinction and make it a hate crime to offend others.

That is extremely dangerous for the masses, and requires replacing peoples critical thinking abilities with emotional reactions - this legitimizes being offended at everything, (which in reality just makes a person a loser), and reinforces the concept that out of context knee-jerk emotional reactions are appropriate responses vs critical thinking and responding intelligently.

By replacing peoples critical thinking abilities and abilities to understand context, with emotional knee-jerk reactions, you:

1) succeed in dividing the masses as they fight each other with their new found outrage culture ("divide" is a strategy in "conquer" (aka control)) and

2) have put people in a more manipulable state, as strong emotional reactions make one easy to control, and without critical thinking skills they won't understand or be able to see this as true. This puts the mind in a great state for one to be controlled by both the state, hidden programs, and corporations, so they all actually want to turn you into the same zombie, just each for their own reasons.

Its all about the ability to influence / control your decisions more easily, without you actually thinking objectively about it. They're just taking a note from the book of how religions have been controlling the masses for thousands of years, and can now apply that strategy through current technology (media and social media).

And I'm afraid those who can't already see this, have probably been led too far down that path already ... Everyone says, "I'm immune to that type of manipulation" ... yeah ok, tell that to the trillion dollar marketing industry ... it's not a trillion dollar industry because these tactics don't work ... its a trillion dollar industry because these tactics work extremely well without you realizing it.

Triggering emotions is how the advertising and media industry works - being triggered (aka being offended) means you are not in control of yourself, and if you are not in control of your own emotions ... then who, or what programs in your mind, are?

If we enable people being emotionally "triggered" at the littlest things, (aka as being offended), then we are playing right into the direction those that seek to influence our thoughts and decisions, want us to go.
Very well put!
It's a very weird thing to see marketing and (fake) morality merge like this. Corporations playing the role of pastors, and falling over themselves to appear more virtuous than the competition. It's worrying too see vast numbers of people calling and falling for it.

And to those who keep comparing Facebook, Twitter etc to McDonalds... sure technically you're right, but McDonalds isn't a gigantic platform (of only a few in existence) where people express themselves and discuss views. The point of free speech is to actually have different points of view heard, to have a free marketplace of ideas. If you shut out certain kinds of speech from virtually all major communication platforms, that is not the same as McDonalds telling people not to wear Burger King attire in their restaurants. Its akin to McDonalds uniforms having to be worn in ALL restaurants.
 
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Freddie159

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Last time I checked Facebook was the Number 1 platform where all the progressive extremist groups are promoting their destructive propaganda. Maybe that's the main reason for the boycott? I mean, when they force you to remove words such as white/whitening, fair/fairness, light/lightening from your products, maybe it's time to do something.
The hate groups are there because FB allows them to post their mostly unfiltered messages to millions of people, if FB cared enough about it being a 'non totally inclusive' site then they wouldn't be there. BUT that then doesn't fit into FB's policty of raping our devices of anything they can make a buck off of so FB will resist removing users and groups as much as it can!!