Mccain, Obama who do you think will win and why

[matt1522]

Ok, I know that this question has been asked in a poll but when it was asked no one had accepted the nomination from their party.

This is a tech site I know and the moderators might take this thread off because of lack of intrest or other reasons. The reason that I ask is because I was in a college level group discussion, and one member of my group said he was voting for Mccain because the U.S. is not ready for a black president. It took all of my energy not to start an argument with this kid ( I just convinced my self that he was not intelligent enought to understand any thing I had to say.). I'm no geneius, but I am smart enough to know we should never judge a person on race period, weather or not you think the country is ready for a leader of a different race.

I guess the reason I started this thread is to make sure (for my own well being) that there are people out there with real reasons why one canidate is better then the other.

Please What ever your political affiliation or belief answer this thread I like to hear what other people think of the candidates.

Personally I am going to vote for Obama, I like his energy policy, I think we should find renewable sources of energy. I dont like the Idea of off shore drilling or nuclear energy but I also know that developing these renewable energies will take time and money. I have other views but to go into all of them would make this thread alot longer then it need to be so that is the only one I'm going to post.

 

[captaincranky]

Obama Will Win By Default.......55% to 43%...

And some *****s will still vote for what's left of Ralph Nader

The reason that I ask is because I was in a college level group discussion, and one member of my group said he was voting for Mccain because the U.S. is not ready for a black president.

There will be a strong impact to the African-American community if Obama is elected, both good and bad.

but I am smart enough to know we should never judge a person on race period, weather or not you think the country is ready for a leader of a different race.

Before you apply for your "tolerance" merit badge, be aware you are naive if you assume that reverse prejudice, hatred, and distrust isn't prevalent in the black community.

Personally I am going to vote for Obama, I like his energy policy, I think we should find renewable sources of energy. I dont like the Idea of off shore drilling or nuclear energy but I also know that developing these renewable energies will take time and money.

Offshore drilling is stupid for this reason; it's a lot more difficult and expensive to get oil by deep sea drilling, than it is to go out in your sandy back yard and dig a hole. So, no matter how much you find, the cost of production will always keep the price up. And Exxon-Mobile has another record year(s).

That said, vote for who you choose. This country simply can't stand another four years of a Republican Administration, period. That's why McCain was nominated in the first place, as human sacrifice. This election will boil down to the same principles all the others have, a vote for one candidate is simply a vote against the other.

IMHO, McCain's "not ready to lead" ads are the most obnoxious, and annoying I've heard in many years. The facts are ad libbed, and they are obviously pointed at the the most stupid and gullible among us. The ominous music, the woman's grating, nagging voice and then the nice folksy music. OY! Anyone in a Sociology 101 class could probably come up with better propaganda than that garbage.
I'd vote for anybody BUT McCain, on the strength of those ads alone.

 

[matt1522]

Before you apply for your "tolerance" merit badge, be aware you are naive if you assume that reverse prejudice, hatred, and distrust isn't prevalent in the black community

I do think I am a little naive but I do know alittle about reverse prejudice and hatred. I know people will vote based on race anyway for and against Obama. I just want to know that atleast some people are voting on issues and not popularity or race.

I also find myself really intolerant of stupid people(everybody makes mistakes that does not make them stupid) I cant help to think that sara pallin falls into my stupid category I cant stand her. I know that she is suppose to represent the hockey mom image but it seems like they aimed too low when they were looking for the model hockey mom

 

[bobcat]

Before I express an opinion, I want to know who has undertaken to fight internet crime, phishing, virus spreading and spamming.

 

[matt1522]

Thats resonable, I havent looked to see if either candidate has any intrest in stopping internet crimes.

 

[captaincranky]

Before I express an opinion, I want to know who has undertaken to fight internet crime, phishing, virus spreading and spamming.

Be reasonable, given the current economic situation, the war in Iraq, and the energy situation, discussing internet crime would be tantamount to political suicide. It's a serious issue certainly, but it really isn't going to gain any traction at the present. Oh, lest we forget, healthcare.

I know that she is suppose to represent the hockey mom image but it seems like they aimed too low when they were looking for the model hockey mom

. No, no ,no, she's supposed to represent a Hillary Clinton effigy, nothing more. Her nomination was basically pandering to that segment of the vote.

 

[matt1522]

I really want to see the debate tonight, They say she is a good debator and I have seen clips but I dont see it, she asked one question and stumped the other guy. Does it make her good or lucky. Do you think Biden will win?

 

[captaincranky]

Well, as you pointed out earlier, she has the "hockey mom" thing going on. I guess it's hard to sass her based on the old adage, "mother knows best". I wouldn't vote for her even if she does Joe Biden, then releases a DVD. Besides, even if she were to win,Tina Fey will rip her to shreds on SNL. Now there's a VP candidate I could get behind.

Biden probably has the talent and experience to win, but only if he can avoid coming down with "hoof in mouth" disease.

 

[tw0rld]

I think Obama will win.... to be clear I am not a supporter. Why?The media coverage this guy gets is remarkable. There is no one asking him any serious questions. no one mentioning his connections to some very shady people. He preaches change, but is no different from the rest of washington. The main reason is he has a socialist agenda. He want Americans to be subjected to the politics and religion of washington, which is, "what is your should be mine" .
What exactly does this guy stand for? Answer: He stands for everything that I am against. Mostly he is about (as most Liberals are); Spending, Spending, Spending, and more Spending.

 

[SNGX1275]

I don't like this thread.

We've done this many times in the past. Nearly all got closed or deleted. Politics + relative anonymity on the internet are just a recipe for disaster. Then you tossed race into the argument too in your first post, not just a simple mention, but an example of racism that I suspect is rare at the college level. It may exist, but people at a college would surely not make a statement like that in a class related discussion. Perhaps that really happened, I don't want to debate that, I'm just saying you brought an awefully charged element into a topic that rarely does well on the internet, and even more rarely does it remain calm on this site.

 

[mopar man]

Well, SNGX, this thread has cracked me up...

The simple fact that it has a 75% chance of blowing up is dangerous in itself.

Now, let me insert my opinion here:

I would go for Obama for the simlple fact that Palin is... well... ignorant in my opinion. If she was a good debater, I'd think she could at least interview well (which we all know how that ends up...)

 

[captaincranky]

Mostly he is about (as most Liberals are); Spending, Spending, Spending, and more Spending.

George W. Bush has run up a 6 trillion dollar debt, through a policy of "don't tax, then spend more". Witness the bill for the war in Iraq. Does anbody think that that is still a good idea?

Even by your logic, it makes more sense to tax and spend, than to offer a tax cut and practically remove all spending limits.

Perhaps, conservatives feel that spend, spend, spend is OK, as long as the money doesn't go toward social programs, only weapons and killing. The politics of fear, fun for the feeble minded.

There are a couple of points, that I'd like to make. IMHO, being a POW does not relate directly in any way to being Commander in Chief. Actually it makes you a victim of the administration that took over the payments on the Viet Nam War from the French.

I seriously distrust anyone that shoves his thumbs in his armpits then crows, "I'm a maverick". It 's meaningless when you say it yourself. "He's a real maverick, paid for by the Republican National Commitee", somehow I don't think they're competent or plausible when making that call either. I simply am amazed and confused by those ads. All I take away is that we disagree with McCain also, so we're just humoring him.

Show me a politician who doesn't have shady contacts, and I'll show you one that's out of work.

 

[tw0rld]

Hey! I didn't say that I was a supporter of G.W. I have no affinity with either party, but the conservative principles make more sense to me. Handouts only leads to dependency, and laziness, as the saying goes, "Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for lifetime". What the Liberals are doing is fostering irresponsiblity, what's gonna happen when the takers out numbers the givers? How does the state generate an income when there are no tax payers, just takers.

 

[captaincranky]

Hey! I didn't say that I was a supporter of G.W. I have no affinity with either party, but the conservative principles make more sense to me. Handouts only leads to dependency, and laziness, as the saying goes, "Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he will eat for lifetime". What the Liberals are doing is fostering irresponsiblity, what's gonna happen when the takers out numbers the givers? How does the state generate an income when there are no tax payers, just takers.

Finally, common ground. I agree with you totally and wholeheartedly.

The unfortunate thing about American Politics is this, views and opinions seem to come in prepackaged bundles. It's not possible to disagree with social entitlements, and agree with a woman's right to choose.

The truth is that whichever party runs the country for too long needs to be voted out of office. Power corrupts, and then some. Change is just a catchphrase to be sure, but change is what's needed. For better or worse, I'm fairly certain the change we'll get, isn't the "change" they're advertising.

Hindsight; Sarah Palin would have served her party's interests much more if she debated facing away from the audience. I believe she would have been better able to present the best angle of her politics. Now where's that rhinestone crown when you need it?

Old Adage; "Hindsight is always, ??, 25, 36.

 

[matt1522]

SNGX1275

I know you said that you don want to argue weather the facts in my first thread a real or not. The sad thing is that they are, I Promise they are(the class was BUS 200 small business management). I know that this thread might get people up in arms defending their beliefs, but I really want to know other peoples opinions. I know that i can read a thread and not get emotionally into it, just read what is says and maybe answer if I have something to say.
It hasn't gotten out of control yet at least not that I can see.

It would be different if i started this thread so i can slam other people for what they believe and they see as fact about the candidates but thats not what I want.
As far as you not liking this thread thats ok,I also said that in my first thread that I know it might get canceled, if thats what the moderators want fine I understand why. Like I said I am curious about peoples opinions.

 

[matt1522]

The truth is that whichever party runs the country for too long needs to be voted out of office.

Very well put captaincranky .

I hope Obama holds to his energy policy. I want to see more renewable energy resources available to the consumer at prices that are affordable.

 

[SNGX1275]

SNGX1275

I know that i can read a thread and not get emotionally into it, just read what is says and maybe answer if I have something to say.

Perhaps you can, but I've seen time and time again others cannot.

As far as you not liking this thread thats ok,I also said that in my first thread that I know it might get canceled, if thats what the moderators want fine I understand why. Like I said I am curious about peoples opinions.

Just cause I don't like it doesn't mean I'm going to kill it. If that were the case I would have killed it right away. We (mods) are pretty fair and I have never killed a thread just because I didn't agree with what was being said. That won't happen here either. But it will get shut down if there start to be personal attacks on members because of their beliefs.

 

[captaincranky]

Que Sera', Sera'............

Actually it doesn't make much sense to slam someone for their political views. The way I figure it, that would only make them cling to them so much more the tighter.

That said, after watching the debate and applying some good old sexist fantasies to an imaginary scenario, I wondered to myself. Suppose you were on that legendary third date with Sarah Palin. Dinner had been accomplished, and the show was glorious. You find yourself back at your place, then the magic of the third date makes its lustful presence felt. After the fires of passion have run their course, the cigarettes are lit, and you kick back for a brief pause.

Now, here's my question, are you really ready for this woman to start running her mouth? Are you a good listener? Did you bring earplugs in anticipation of this moment? Or are you actually stupid enough to think you wouldn't need them?

Love, captaincranky

 

[matt1522]

SNGX1275

I see where you are coming from I haven't seen all of the other threads that got out of hand So I really don't know how out of control.

captaincranky

very funny

I watched the debate and I think the she did ok( but had really low expectations to start with)

 

[mako man]

Come on Capt you know you really want to see Sarah on Dancing with the Stars...:grinthumb

 

[captaincranky]

WOW......You Caught Me....!

She certainly does have the hind quarters for it. The nice thing about that would be, she couldn't run her mouth while she was dancing, and you could mute the TV during the interview. Truth to tell, if I wasn't concerned about fairness, I'd have muted the TV during the debate, as soon as I saw her lips start to move.

In fact, I'd also like to see "Dancing With The Stars, The Next Generation", wherein her formerly pregnant teenaged daughter is on crowing about how DWTS has helped her to lose the "baby weight". Sick I know, but that's the way I feel. :evil:

 

[mopar man]

Does anyone think Palin "abusing" her powers will affect their campaign? Or McCain defending Obama (which he should have, of course, ignorant people thinking he's a terrorist because his middle name is Hussein).

 

[SNGX1275]

Nope. People made up their minds on who they are going to vote for a long time ago. There are very few people that are really "undecided".

 

[captaincranky]

Power Corrupts.......Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.....

Is anybody as completely sick of John McCain's campaign ads as I am?

Does anyone think Palin "abusing" her powers will affect their campaign? Or McCain defending Obama (which he should have, of course, ignorant people thinking he's a terrorist because his middle name is Hussein).

She's a woman and a politician, I'm frankly baffled how she could not be tempted to abuse her powers.

You can't tell people anything they don't want to hear or believe. Evangelical Christians want to teach "Creationism" in the public schools, while forbidding evolution to be taught. Now, does that sound like anyone you could reason with?
The upside is that they've already made up their minds to vote for McCain years ago, so it's unlikely that that will affect the election now that Obama's secret name is out. Besides if Barak is a terrorist, maybe he's had suicide bomber training, and he'll blow up the Whitehouse with him in it. Just kidding with that one boys and girls.

When the dust settles, Obama will be elected president with 58% of the vote. Remember you heard it here first.

Mopar, when you say "ignorant" do you mean stupid? Because I have an udying amazement at how stupid people really are. We're not really "Homo Sapiens", we should call the species "Homo Imbecillis". That said, you can calculate the IQ of a mob by extracting the square root of the IQ of its stupidest member. Duh, or perhaps duh, uh!

Remember American politics works like this; you never vote for someone, you vote against someone, and I'm still counting on 58% of the people doing exactly that.

 

[mopar man]

Is anybody as completely sick of John McCain's campaign ads as I am?

I haven't seen but 2 ads, but then again, I rarely watch TV aside from The Simpsons and the news... Odd combination, but then again, I'm an odd 16 year old...

She's a woman and a politician, I'm frankly baffled how she could not be tempted to abuse her powers.

Yes, but I was just wondering whether the "undecided" voters that are still around will shift over something such as this. Personally, I would.

Mopar, when you say "ignorant" do you mean stupid?

Actually, when I use ignorant, it's always to its true meaning.
" 1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man."