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Mccain, Obama who do you think will win and why

By matt1522 ยท 70 replies
Oct 2, 2008
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  1. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,518   +2,312

    When in Alaska, Do as The Alaskans Do........

    Then you haven't seen what you're not missing.

    People are funny, I dismiss Palin as pushy, pain in the a** b****. Still, she was elected Governor of Alaska, so I suppose she has "charisma", although I can't fathom why. She can't run her own household, we're supposed to "ignore" that. I live in Philly, and she got booed last night at the Flyers game. So to the upside, I guess you really can't, "fool all the people all the time". I should qualify the "got booed" statement. Due to Philadelphia's demographics and party affiliation, Obama will likely pull 70% of our vote. So, you can just imagine how, even at a hockey game, she wasn't warmly received.

    Here's where definition gets dicey. If you choose not to seek out, or avoid gaining knowledge by decision or omission, then you're probably stupid as well. The colloquial definition of "ignorant" as being rude or ill mannered is likely powered by stupidity or laziness as well, since if you had the ambition or desire, you'd want to know how to act.

    In my own defense, I know how to act, I simply avoid doing it the accepted way.
  2. 1941

    1941 Banned Posts: 20

    Obama will probably win but I do not support him.
  3. mopar man

    mopar man TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 1,379

    1941, What are your reasons? I am curious, as not many people I know support McCain.
  4. 1941

    1941 Banned Posts: 20

    Obama is not qualified for the job. No experience other than 3 years in The Senate , most of which he has spent running for President. This country does need a change though so, he probably will win.
  5. mopar man

    mopar man TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 1,379

    Well, you see, that is perfectly understandable. I am just very glad you didn't say that he was a Terrorist who plans on bringing down our entire Government...

    Honestly, watching CBN news, I wanted to shoot myself for even thinking Pat Robertson was open minded...

    (No, I don't know why I thought the Christian Spokesperson would be open minded, but I did...)
  6. tw0rld

    tw0rld TS Maniac Posts: 572   +6

    Not a terrorist, but someone with questionable intents. Have a look at the type of people he has associated himself with in the past(Wright , Resco, Acorn ...)It is time for the main stream media to finally be fair in its coverage by banging on Obama as much as it has been banging on Palin. Tv coverage of this election campaign has been terribly one-sided, and Obama has gained tremendously from this. I will not say much more as I do not wish to stir up an unnecessary verbal conflict.
  7. JimShady23

    JimShady23 TS Maniac Posts: 373




    90% Ethnic Vote
    98% African American Vote
    45% White Vote


    10% Ethnic Vote
    2% African American Vote
    52% White Vote

    Even if McCain can capture 65% of the white vote there is no way he can make up the other numbers..

    Enough Said, man is going to win no questions asked.....
  8. mopar man

    mopar man TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 1,379

    Well, from me, there will be no verbal "conflict". I will say this, what I meant by the terrorist comment, is that if you search "Obama" and "terrorist", there waere tons of stupid theories about how Obama became a devout Muslim and was out to destroy America (I am not saying that being Muslim is bad, here, just what OTHERS said), and that he did this when his Step-Father took him somewhere to Indonesia I believe.
  9. Jager

    Jager TS Rookie

    personally, i wish Obama wouldnt have such a harsh stance on Nuclear energy... now, if he had it where he would Expand our Nuclear energy, WHILE funding research into renewable energies, then he'd have my vote. lets face it, we need the energy soon, research and development for new technology takes YEARs..
  10. mopar man

    mopar man TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 1,379

    That, my friend, is true. I believe we should really get off of Gasoline in vehicles as fast as possible. Once (if) the economy gets better, I think they should give a huge incentive for converting to electric (as they have conversion kits now) or Hybrid (Electric and Gas/Diesel, prefferebly).
  11. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,518   +2,312

    The trouble with nuclear energy is that it's quite a paradox. In theory it should produce cheap electricity. However, due to the necessary safeguards and complexity of the systems, it turns out to be very expensive. It's sort of like the rockets we used to reach the moon, but now development has been stifled due to cost and long ignored but still viable technology. Human greed, laziness, corruption, errors, and substandard workmanship, show up all too easily in a nuclear power plant, with the potential of widespread disaster. I lived through the doom and gloom issues of the meltdown at Three Mile Island, in my home state of PA. I'm a big advocate of nuclear power generation, but I have a very dim view of the people who would be charged with bringing it about. It's a great idea, but everyone connected with the construction of a new nuclear facility, would need a serious attitude adjustment, and quite frankly. I don't think we've evolved that far yet.
    The idea of "putting people to work and creating jobs " in the field of new methods of generating power is great, but where does the money come from. It seems to me that it would, by necessity come from increased taxes, or printing more currency, since for quite some time you would be locked into a profitless business model. After which, there wouldn't be a salable product for years and years.

    I sort of disagree with the idea that Obama isn't qualified to be president. Actually no one person is. That office is sort of like the manager's job in a sports team. There's a lot of delegating to be done, and I think the biggest part of the office is making the right decisions about who does what, not doing it yourself. Anyone who remembers Donald Rumsfield, should be aware that those delegations can go horribly wrong as well.

    It is a sad commentary on our politics that ideas and principles come in packages. This is the biggest flaw in the system that someone is for abortion, must be against nuclear power. Opinions that come in prepackaged bundles really cripple the system. Why not have "conservrabrels", ant then rein them in to do the actual will of the electorat?. See, now I sound like another crackpot huckstering a book on "Utopia".

    Anyway, John McCain presents himself as a smirking, condescending @#$%^&*(/. If he can' present a civil face in a nationally televised debate, I wonder how he would fare with dignataries of foreign states. Probably about as well as Geoge Bush, but with a bad attitude.

    A final thought: One of the big questions about JFK was, whether or not he was too young and inexperienced to be president. Or, since he was a Catholic would the Pope be running the Whitehouse. Another example might be, was Ronald Regan just an actor. What do you think?
  12. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,518   +2,312

    Mopar, the one thing that always gets lost when discussing electric vehicles, is how much does it cost to plug them in and charge them? If you tried to heat your home with electricity it would cost many times as much as with oil.Electricity works well for some applications and poorly for others. If suddenly all our cars were plug-me-ins, what might that do to our power generation infrastructure. Granted, that it make a difference in our carbon footprint, but still, the same people would be controlling the pricing infrastructure. There is a price penalty to be paid for purchasing "clean" energy now, and I doubt that that would change if it were to be mandated that you must.
  13. mopar man

    mopar man TechSpot Ambassador Posts: 1,379

    GEM cars, produced by Chrysler (go figure, guess why I like them? :) ) are cheap to plug in and charge.

    While it's true that these things don't go over 45 MPH (usually less), that means that it's possible to charge any electric vehicle cheaply. While it will take some R&D, I wouldn't think it would take half as much as anything else to get a cheaper electric car that will even charge using, and wasting, less electricity than, oh, your TV? **

    Here we go:

    Look at that... I think it's pretty neat, but then again, I am me...

    ** I may have exaggerated a little here, but you get the point **
  14. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,518   +2,312

    Sitting Ducks.......

    A 45 MPH top speed does leave you in a very precarious postion even on a large boulevard, let alone on on of our superhighways.

    Advances in battery technology will be crucial for advancement in electrics. What we have now in the 60 miles traveled, then an overnight charge just doesn't cut it. Even with the new Lithium Ion batteries, it takes two hours or so to bring them up from flat. So, even if your local service station installs a row of charging outlets, look forward to spending a couple of hours every time you stop to "gas up".
  15. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,729   +409

    It took me a while to figure this out too, because the power still has to come from somewhere. Now that I know the reason "it is better to plug in" it seems obvious.

    The fact is internal combustion engines, gas or diesel, are only about 27-38% efficient, probably more commonly around about 33%. Meaning that out of all the chemical potential energy in gasoline or diesel, only about 33% of that goes to making the vehicle move, the rest is lost in heat, or in another conversion to electric in the alternator.

    Now what happens if you plug it in is you most likely get your power from a coal fired power plant (I know some areas have other means, but thats not the point). The point is coal power plants are over 40% efficient, and the electric motors are something much higher yet. So if you plug in rather than use your engine to charge the batteries (like in a hybrid) or simply go pure electric plug in, the total carbon emissions to the environment are less.
  16. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,518   +2,312

    I won't argue that electric power is probably, (or could be made to be greener) than the internal combustion egine. I would argue that an electric car that goes 55 MPH will never supplant a Dodge Ram Crew Cab in the American psyche.

    If you think about the mechanism here, the power plant converts heat and mechanical rotation to electricity by means of an alternator. Several really big, big, alternators. If it didn't, we'd have DC power generation, and face it, even Tesla couldn't get that to work.
    The numbers look great at the plant itself, but here you probably deal with a bit of transmission line loss which could level the percentage playing field.

    Now, in the Northeast US, on a hot summer day, power demand records are shattered every year. And every year, the power companies blow their collective horn about how they managed to supply the needed power without a blackout. So, it does beg the question, do you think we have the infrastructure to plug 50 million electric automobiles into the grid at the same time?

    As a matter of trivia, combustion engines produce their maximum power at or near their redline, but electric motors produce their maximum power when they're stalled. I think the ratio is somewhere between 10 or 20 to one, but I was too lazy to Google it. Plus I'm using IE at the moment, and if I did, I'd pick up another three dozen cookies.
  17. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 4,572   +65

    I see you've been brainwashed into a hypocritical state also. Sad.

    Guilt by association is RIDICULOUS. Look at the list of 'questionable' people that McCain has been involved with.. let's start with the felons...
    • Raffaello Folleri - Felon
    • Jim Hensley - Felon
    • Rick Renzi - Soon to be felon
    • Charlie Keating - Felon
    Now lets move on to his other 'bad' ties...
    • Freddy Mac lobbyist (can't remember the name)
    • Richard Quinn - White supremacy advocate
    • Charles Black - A lobbyist for a few questionable political figures, including dictators
    .. And there's plenty more... in fact, I can't remember them all! Even Palin has a pretty dingy history. I won't even mention those.

    The point is they are both politicians, they both have tons of connections and some of those connections aren't too pretty. And the fact you would actually believe that one is has fewer bad ties than the other... well.. LOL. It makes me so sorry that people vote based on on this campaign FUD.

    I hope you have other, more valid reasons. :)
  18. SNGX1275

    SNGX1275 TS Forces Special Posts: 10,729   +409

    We are good through that part.
    Yep. You have to start with DC. DC is fine over short distances. DC over long is bad, that is why AC won. But luckily you can convert DC to AC. Alternators are more efficient because they are creating electricity directly, so I don't have any numbers on their efficiencies which is why I just said "much more" in my post, but now that you've sort of forced my hand, I'll toss out ~80%. Again I don't know for sure, but I think I may have heard that somewhere.

    Currently? Nope. This is where nuke and more coal plants come in. We have huge coal reserves in the US. Environmentalists block making more power plants because of dirty emissions. Part of my phd work is working to fix this.

    Are you sure? The max torque and hp is pretty well engineered for the engines, but I do admit I don't know exactly what they are considering. But I do have expierence with them and dynamometers, I spent a year in an engine lab doing research on a 6.5L diesel.
    I also have some expierence with RC Cars, and if you stall a motor, you are pulling literally insane amperage during that time, so I don't doubt your 10 or 20 to 1 claims, I might even suggest they'd be much much greater than that. But the thing is, unless you are moving something you are doing no work, so stalling an electric motor does no good.
  19. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,518   +2,312

    We need many more power plants and prisons, but "not in my back yard"! Or so the story goes. I say let the environmentalists shut up and car pool the rest of us to work. Then we'd be able to get something done. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for protecting the planet, I'm just really fed up with the circular arguments coming from that set. Constantly trying to null cause and effect usually results in no action being taken. Well, other than sending the rest of the treasury to Saudi Arabia.
    If you think about it , whenever you start an electric motor, you are at a stalled condition. So the answer, or rather the question here is, how stalled are you? Obviously, you can't set the system to require more current than it is designed to dissapate. Were you to install telemetry in your RC car, you'd see that a current spike would occur at startup, then gradually decline until you reached cruise. If however, you point the car at a wall and input full throttle, then yes, you'd have a fire on your hands
  20. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,518   +2,312

    It's all about Associations......

    Other than using every trick in the book, to claim racism, (mostly at the beginning and in the campaign in general), Obama's ads have been cleaner than McCain's. Especially when compared to McCain's latest round of attack ads.

    What always interests me, is why someone who is perhaps only half black, does, or must always present themselves as black. I suppose there are many reasons, to numerous to mention.

    Which brings me to the stroke of genius surrounding Sen Obama's latest round of family oriented ads. Obama campaigns as a "black man", yet when he shows his "family album" everybody in it is white! They tend to lead one to the conclusion that while he's black, he has a white, blue collar set of family values. This is more than likely true but, it also could be interpreted as pandering, and so presents us with a conundrum. I only obviate it to illustrate my earlier conclusion of the overall hypocracy that, "race is not an issue" in this campaign. Race is an issue, but it has more or less successfully been converted to a subliminal one.

    McCain still reminds me of **** Cheney. Also, I don't understand how sitting in a bamboo cage had any influence on the outcome of the Viet Nam war whatsoever, or why we should elect him president. When the issue arises, it always sounds to me like a plea for compensation.

    I still think the sad state of affairs is that no one is ever voted for in American politics, only against. So, maybe it would have been more accurate to title this thread, "who are you voting against..[ ].... and why"!
  21. BrownPaper

    BrownPaper TS Rookie Posts: 407

    Obama is considered Black, even though he is half Black, due to reminisces of slavery in the United States of America. Historically, the Whites in America considered any person with any percentage of Black heritage to be Black. Yes, even if the person was 1% black and 99% white, that person would be considered Black.

    Many people with mixed Black/White heritage were harassed and discriminated even more because some Whites were angry at Black/White couples. They did not approve of Black and White people having any relationships whatsoever. They grew even more infuriated if there was a black/white child. Interracial relationships were even an issue as recent as the early 1990s in America.

    No disrespect to McCain, but I believe Obama will win the election. McCain's negative ads are not working this year. McCain is highly unpopular in his own party. He picked Palin because she was very popular in her own party. However, it soon became apparent that Palin as VP scares some people, even a few prominent Conservatives. I do not consider Palin a bad person, but I have little faith in her decision-making abilities and competence. Palin is good as a spokeswoman and is witty, but beyond that, I am deeply troubled she could not name 1 newspaper or magazine. An eight year old could name at least one!

    Obama will win by due to McCain making mistakes.
  22. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,518   +2,312

    To Work Toward World Peace, and Uphold the Ideals of The Miss America Pagent

    There used to be talent search program, (back in the day), where one of the categories was, "spokesmodel". I wish I could remember more of the particulars, but it seems funny enough when you apply it to Ms. Palin.

    If you haven't seen them, Tina Fey's impressions of Palin on SNL are not to be missed.
  23. tw0rld

    tw0rld TS Maniac Posts: 572   +6

    As I have told CaptainCranky before, "I have no affinity with either party". My talking point
    is directed towards Obama as he has been less than transparent,as a matter of fact we know nothing of substance about him. All I have to go on is what has been mentioned.
  24. NetCablesPlus

    NetCablesPlus TS Maniac Posts: 228

    It is the 1970's all over again: the press demoralizing the general public with nonstop negative reporting on a war they do not like and the economy that they want to bring to its knees; oil prices going through the roof, a financial scandal/crisis, unemployment on the upswing, Iran rattling its sabers in the Middle East, and a recession. Enter an unknown, and mostly clueless, liberal Democrat that everyone voted for because they wanted "change". Carter had a big smile and a reputation as a man of great intellect and moral character who would be what Washington DC needed as a wake up call.. Sound familiar? Ultimate result: have you heard the terms:; "stagflation" and "economic malaise"? They were coined during those miserable four years in which Carter bungled everything from economic policies to allowing Iran to humiliate us while they held our hostages until the end of his presidency. Pity that we may have to go through this again due to short memories.
  25. matt1522

    matt1522 TS Rookie Topic Starter Posts: 81


    I wasnt alive then, 1970's politics were only mentioned briefly in the form of a gas shortage and inflation. So I cant really comment on what you say but I am curious on why you think Mccain is the better of the two canidates.

    What does he bring to the table that is different and better then Obama

    ( I know you did not specifically mention him but it, I assume that is who you plan to vote for).

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