Microsoft accidentally rolls out business-oriented Windows 10 update to Home and Pro users

[wiyosaya]

But nothing prevents Adobe from making Photoshop work in Linux. They just don't want to. So it's the fault of corporations like that if Linux will never overtake MS. They all want to make lots of money, so they stick together. A free OS with all apps free is in their view a threat to consumerism actually.

As I see it, it also falls on Photoshop users. There is at least one Linux program out there than can do what Photoshop does and people would find that out if they researched the options available.

That said, Adobe does have a mythical air about them.

 

[DjoCoeur]

As I see it, it also falls on Photoshop users. There is at least one Linux program out there than can do what Photoshop does and people would find that out if they researched the options available.

That said, Adobe does have a mythical air about them.

GIMP is not bad but it's far from having all the latest improvements made in Photoshop in the last few years. And the whole CC Suite is so great. It's just not possible for the Linux apps to do all that CC can do obviously.

 

[yRaz]

The big problem that is holding me back is anticheat clients don't support Linux. Counter strike go leagues like esea use their own anticheat. And only support windows.

It's getting better, but you aren't wrong. There are developers out there that don't officially support Linux but that don't auto ban you if you are using it.

But nothing prevents Adobe from making Photoshop work in Linux. They just don't want to. So it's the fault of corporations like that if Linux will never overtake MS. They all want to make lots of money, so they stick together. A free OS with all apps free is in their view a threat to consumerism actually.

Frankly, if enough people stop using their operating systems it will then become profitable for them. I got CS3 to work on Linux but it took my longer than I care to admit. I'm not against paying for a product if the value is there. I've been forced to learn about free alternatives which are just as powerful, but all the classes I took in highschool and college taught us how to use Adobe Photoshop and MS office. I have well over 8-10 years in school using them opposed to my ~2.5 years running Linux. I still accidently use Adobe hot keys when using GIMP

 

[Darth Shiv]

And I agree with that, but Linux is finally getting to the point where you DON'T have to explain how to use an OS to people. Linux mint cinnamon is what got me into Linux because it just works without me having to think about it.

Windows is not effortless. I switched to Linux because windows 10 broke every time it updated. Windows 7 was an amazing OS that I miss dearly but MS stopped supporting that because it was more profitable to collect user data and sell it.

Finally getting to the point? It's not remotely close. The problem is the app ecosystem. Configurability. It pretty much will never get there unless someone does Linux on desktop Android style AND has some way to drag hundreds of MILLIONS of users onto the platform.

Windows has an ENORMOUS app ecosystem that is based around GUI configurability. Installation of 90% of tools is GUI by default. Not fixing crap in bash. Not this incoherent rabble of apps ecosystem. There are many major parties trying to reinvent the wheel in Linux and many parties that philosophically interfere with the ability to replace Windows like the free software movement. Until you crack heads and get them working coherently, Linux is NEVER going to beat Windows on desktop.

There simply is no reason for that many people to adopt a new desktop platform. It just ain't happening. Windows at this point is likely to be the last major desktop OS before some revolutionary desktop sea change occurs - if that ever does.

Ps Windows desktop marketshare is currently over 77% from what I can tell. Linux is < 1.7%. That's a complete and utter market failure. Sorry. But they should have been at least 30-40% a decade ago let alone now if they were remotely competent.

 

[yRaz]

Finally getting to the point? It's not remotely close. The problem is the app ecosystem. Configurability. It pretty much will never get there unless someone does Linux on desktop Android style AND has some way to drag hundreds of MILLIONS of users onto the platform.

Windows has an ENORMOUS app ecosystem that is based around GUI configurability. Installation of 90% of tools is GUI by default. Not fixing crap in bash. Not this incoherent rabble of apps ecosystem. There are many major parties trying to reinvent the wheel in Linux and many parties that philosophically interfere with the ability to replace Windows like the free software movement. Until you crack heads and get them working coherently, Linux is NEVER going to beat Windows on desktop.

There simply is no reason for that many people to adopt a new desktop platform. It just ain't happening. Windows at this point is likely to be the last major desktop OS before some revolutionary desktop sea change occurs - if that ever does.

Ps Windows desktop marketshare is currently over 77% from what I can tell. Linux is < 1.7%. That's a complete and utter market failure. Sorry. But they should have been at least 30-40% a decade ago let alone now if they were remotely competent.

Okay, so I can see this as basically a troll post or you're just uneducated on tech history which isn't your fault.

So to put it shortly, essentially anything that can run on Android can run on any Linux distro. The GUI is designed around adaptability which is why multiple manufactures can make their own version of Android and the GUI still plays well with the play store. Variable GUIs are actually one of linux's strong points.

Now, you're citing numbers on the desktop side, what about other types of devices? If you include the Enterprise market for servers and the mobile market, neither apple or OSX stand a chance. If it wasn't for Google turning Android into spyware, WAY more people would be using it. Now, the beauty of Google working on Android is that there are now Linux distros that can use ALL the apps on Android in a desktop environment without you even having to think about how it works.

I 100% understand where people are coming from when they are uncomfortable using Linux because my first experience was with a KDE falvor of Ubuntu back in the mid 2000's. My God, I couldn't even get webpages to load properly without extracting binaries through the command line to make the browser work.

But now there are distros that require near zero use of the command line and it's only getting easier. You can also add whatever GUI to Linux that you want. I like cinnamon because it functions and works like windows. It took some getting used to but atleast control panel settings don't move or get hidden with every update

And to some extent, you're right about Linux market share, but I'm not going to a bar and asking people to switch to Linux. I'm on a tech website talking about how little personal education it takes to get Linux to function as a daily driver and a gaming OS. If we are all here to be tech enthusiasts then we should be well enough versed in technology to make these things a walk in the park.

There are 100% legitimate reasons why people should still stick to windows 10 or MACos, but that list is getting smaller everyday.

I've started on Manjaro because I like to tinker with things, but Linux mint cinnamon got me into the ecosystem because in many ways it was easier to use than windows.

If you have a personal preference or some software need where Linux isn't a viable alternative for you, that's perfectly fine. People choose Xbox or PS4 over exclusivity all the time. I know it's not the same but it also isn't that far off.

All I want to say to people is just install it on a jump drive and use it for a few days. It took me about a week to be sold once I saw all the games I play work flawlessly with Linux. It is kind of annoying I had to switch from libre/open office from MS office, but it wasn't that hard.

Sure, Linux isn't flawless, but as MACos and windows 10 become more flawed over time, Linux is looking better and better.

 

[DjoCoeur]

yRaz
Maybe you don't know MX Linux. It's much easier to use than any other Distros. You never have to use any command line and the update never break the system, not so with Manjaro.
MX Linux is the most popular by far on Distrowatch.com for a reason. Try it with the XFCE Desktop.
1- MX Linux / 2-Manjaro / 3- Mint / 4- Debian / 5-Ubuntu

 

[Arice80]

I encourage people to install Linux on a bootable jump drive and try it out as their daily driver for a couple weeks. I recommend 64gb because you have room to install steam and a game or two. Once you see how easy Linux has become to use I think it will be obvious why you should make the switch

A big reason for me not switching to Linux is because of the lack of MS Office/ Driver support. I've tried many other alternatives and they just don't match up. Plus, there are a few apps like the Adobe Suite missing support for Linux without a ton of technical stuff within the command line that I don't have time for. I used Linux for a year and a half on my HP Envy as it came preinstalled with 8 (using it on Windows 10 rn) but Linux just isn't polished enough. Drivers were missing, my track pad without the synaptic drivers was unusable. I tried everything suggested to get them onto Linux but nothing worked and I'm always on the go so I can't use a mouse all the time. You have to understand if your life isn't totally invested in tech or your in a school/business environment, Linux still isn't for the common person no matter what you want to believe. I suppose some of the issues with drivers could be resolved by buying a preloaded Linux PC but as far as I know only Dell and SYS76 have Linux preloaded on their PCs. Sys76 has mediocre, unproven, expensive hardware that is too overpriced. Their laptops are really cheap looking too. Dell is a brand I like to avoid due to recent QC issues. If HP or Lenovo or even Acer started selling some of their PCs with Linux on it, maybe I'd be more inclined to try it again.

 

[yRaz]

A big reason for me not switching to Linux is because of the lack of MS Office/ Driver support. I've tried many other alternatives and they just don't match up. Plus, there are a few apps like the Adobe Suite missing support for Linux without a ton of technical stuff within the command line that I don't have time for. I used Linux for a year and a half on my HP Envy as it came preinstalled with 8 (using it on Windows 10 rn) but Linux just isn't polished enough. Drivers were missing, my track pad without the synaptic drivers was unusable. I tried everything suggested to get them onto Linux but nothing worked and I'm always on the go so I can't use a mouse all the time. You have to understand if your life isn't totally invested in tech or your in a school/business environment, Linux still isn't for the common person no matter what you want to believe. I suppose some of the issues with drivers could be resolved by buying a preloaded Linux PC but as far as I know only Dell and SYS76 have Linux preloaded on their PCs. Sys76 has mediocre, unproven, expensive hardware that is too overpriced. Their laptops are really cheap looking too. Dell is a brand I like to avoid due to recent QC issues. If HP or Lenovo or even Acer started selling some of their PCs with Linux on it, maybe I'd be more inclined to try it again.

You should have read my other posts later in the thread before posting where I talked about the above mentioned issues

 

[GirlDownunder]

Windows has become so much of a s*** show that I'm surprised people, especially techies, haven't explored Linux as an alternative.

I encourage people to install Linux on a bootable jump drive and try it out as their daily driver for a couple weeks. I recommend 64gb because you have room to install steam and a game or two. Once you see how easy Linux has become to use I think it will be obvious why you should make the switch

People in the mainstream don't know Linux as a DE exists (nobody pays to advertise a free program), believing they only have M$ or Crapple to choose from. I know this because I work as a residential IT support person. My business is IN business because of all of the issues with M$ updates and their built-in spyware/advertising platform, so I won't complain too much when I earn a living fixing it. As you stated, Win 7 was pretty sweet, but 10 is a nightmare. I'm thinking of my son's Documents folder "disappearing" after an update a few months ago. Pretty awful "enhancement", there. Apparently, there are some folks who never have ANY problems with 10 (though I don't personally know any) so naturally they'll be the first to jump up to praise their chosen leader, even in the face of all reports to the contrary. I contend that a commercial product, under non-stop & highly-paid development for decades, ought to be 10,000 x better than this.

For the masses, though, it's as listed above: switch to Crapple or keep getting your PC fixed after each hosing by M$ WU.

RE: Mint, I love it. I installed 17.1 when it was released and can say truthfully that it has never blue-screened, failed to start, failed to update, failed after an update, etc, etc...I use it for my main PC and I use it every day. I play on Steam, 2nd Life, run multiple VM's, and have many M$-only programs installed via WINE. I've only now reached the point where I need to upgrade as it's past it's 5 yr. support, which is understandable. I'm looking forward to all of the improvements in 19.3 (release in Dec '19) & I needed to install new SSD's anyway, so it's all gravy.

RE: "Why do they make it so confusing for people to choose??". You're having issues choosing from 3? M$ offers 12 versions of it's OS and I don't see that argument being used for them? It's fine to like using M$'s OS, especially if you're a huge PC gamer, but to suggest their offerings are less confusing is being disingenuous.

PS: Trying to get an answer from a M$ forum is an exercise in futility. If you do manage to find one there, 100% it will come from another user. The M$ (MCSE and MCSA's) who populate the site only know how to paste links to M$ pages which direct you to further links-- none of which ever helps fix anything.

Vs.

Linux Mint forums & built-in Hexchat. My queries are generally answered within an hour. Fantastic group, at the Mint forums.