Microsoft is going the extra mile to make sure users don't skirt Windows 11 hardware requirements

captaincranky

Posts: 17,147   +5,911
Well kidz, it's looks like Nadella is going to do it to you again..

First you were "enticed" by the prospect of a "free" copy of Windows 10. Then, "all of a sudden", both Intel and AMD announced that, "our new CPUs will ONLY be fully compatible with Windows 10".
He seems to have sneaked that backroom deal past you, at least judging by all the defenders of Windows 10 in the audience..
(Windows 10 BTW, was supposed to be "the last version of Windows ever").

But whaddya know, here comes Windows 11. Nadella has upped the ante this time around, rendering both CPUs and mobos obsolete.

I've said in every Windows 10 thread I've participated, "Nadella is trying to impose Apple's business model on Windows users.

I'm hoping this TPM episode will wake up some of those still in denial.

IMO, pretty soon Windows desktops will have the same planned obsolescence built into them, as s god damned iPhone..
 
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Theinsanegamer

Posts: 2,633   +4,092
On POP OS right now on W10 just a week ago I had 40-45FPS in cyberpunk at medium settings now its at low settings with 20-30FPS not exactly fun.
Wow 1 game doesnt work right its pandamonium! Couple of things here:

1) newer games have had less time to mature on the likes of wine and proton. Whatever is causing performance issues may be resolved in future updates

2) PopOS runs on ubuntu, and as a result it is using the MESA drivers from the kernel ubuntu is using, which at this point is wildly outdated. If you updates that to the newest version I'd bet you'd see a massive increase in performance. Going from 20.1 to 21.7 saw performance on my PC improve dramatically with an AMD vega 64. If you're running nvidia hardware you're not going to get the best performance bevause Nvidia's drivers on linux are not optimized for gaming like they are on windows.
 

Danny101

Posts: 1,820   +789
It would have been plenty good enough to say that every new computer produced to have the TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot by default. To force this issue in the the middle of an inflationary and low supply environment is an aggressive insult.
 

Danny101

Posts: 1,820   +789
Well kidz, it's looks like Nadella is going to do it to you again..

First you were "enticed" by the prospect of a "free" copy of Windows 10. Then, "all of a sudden", both Intel and AMD announced that, "our new CPUs will ONLY be fully compatible with Windows 10".
He seems to have sneaked that backroom deal past you, at least judging by all the defenders of Windows 10 in the audience..
(Windows 10 BTW, was supposed to be "the last version of Windows ever").

But whaddya know, here comes Windows 11. Nadella has upped the ante this time around, rendering both CPUs and mobos obsolete.

I've said in every Windows 10 thread I've participated, "Nadella is trying to impose Apple's business model on Windows users.

I'm hoping this TPM episode will wake up some of those still in denial.

IMO, pretty soon Windows desktops will have the same planned obsolescence built into them, a as god damned iPhone..
I can't stand the closed system of Apple. I use PCs and Android. I confess though that Apple supports their iPhones better than the Android market does for their users. Still, that is improving, and if you are computer and savvy enough, there are ways to extend the Android lifespan. But the average user won't get that benefit with Android and even the tech savvy often won't bother. I'm still eying old Androids, hesitant to dive into the process. It's a lot to learn. More for the landfills! And I'm not even all that extreme on environmental issues, but you can't argue with contamination.
 

trents

Posts: 23   +8
"Microsoft’s Aria Carley said they know it sucks that some systems aren’t going to be eligible for Windows 11."

Some systems? Are they kidding? By the time of Windows 11's release in 4th quarter 2021, many or most PCs won't be able to upgrade to Windows 11. Microsoft has said that the upgrade hardware requirements will likely not be found in most PCs previous to Intel gen 8 and Ryzen+. This will leave a huge installed customer base forced to stay with Windows 10.
 

hwertz

Posts: 62   +25
Makes sense to me.

Not the TPM 2.0 requirement, that's stupid, and it's the kind of thing that makes me glad I'm running Ubuntu (Ubuntu's system requirement for Intel/AMD systems? Some HD space, some RAM (4GB recommended but my friend's system has only 2GB and it's fine), that's about it... no TPM required, no EFI required (although I recommend using it..), no particular SSE3/4/4.1/etc. requirement, no virtualization support required, etc.)

But, Win11 does have this requirement, so it totally makes sense to not waste users bandwidth, disk space, or time (to the extent that the download may slightly slow the system or internet connection down), downloading an update the system doesn't meet the requirements for.
 

killmess

Posts: 11   +2
<What’s the difference between Windows 10 and Windows 11?
Windows 11 has all the power and "security" of Windows 10 with a redesigned and refreshed look. ...>

So, it will not be more secure than W10?
And it needs specialized security hardware to be as secure as W10?
Doesn't look too good to me this new OS.
:D

Source: FAQ at the bottom of: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11
 

Darth Shiv

Posts: 2,202   +774
Bull. There are exceptions, but for the most part Wine matches and sometimes even exceeds native windows performance.
Nobody cares. Commandline/script config is a massive fail. I.e. most of Linux desktop ecosystem is a massive fail.
 

Darth Shiv

Posts: 2,202   +774
Do you actually understand it or are you whining because it's too hard?
Yes I do. I am explaining why it is a failure. Mainstream don't want to do commandline config. It's tedious and the interface is "you need to know the commandline config for every program". It's obsolete. It's stupid. It's not worth knowing. It's the reason why Linux failed on desktop.

The UI needed to be unified. It needed app config to be GUI centric. It is not. The number of times you need to search for commandline fixes to basic program config is just not worth it.
 
Heck of a requirement for a Windows 10 skin.
LOL that's all it is. They made some design changes to the ui and that is all. I've been running it since it got leaked right in the beginning. I do say I appreciate the ui alittle more. The UWP settings looks like some one actually put a thought into designing it. Not just put some text over a background. It shocked me when they put that out.
 

Norsiiii

Posts: 72   +96
"We want to ensure that your devices stay secure and safe, and so we're going to block you from upgrading to a newer and safer OS"

Thanks Microsoft, very cool
 

wizardB

Posts: 206   +80
You can use user-friendly distros like Ubuntu just fine without ever touching command line.
I started loading it on my customer's computers last month, they are all enjoying it and I've had only one complaint and that was they needed help with Libre Office.