Microsoft is going the extra mile to make sure users don't skirt Windows 11 hardware requirements

Cycloid Torus

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I'm just absolutely convinced that Microsoft has my 'security' in mind. I will not retain my old existing machine (I call it "Crate") with its outdated '10' running on 12 threads at 3.33 Mhz. I will shell out whatever it takes to get a "Runs 11" sticker on my new box. I will drink the kool-aid. I will be ready. Dracula calls.
 

Black Boy

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Secure boot is nothing. My 10 year old motherboard has it, but the TPM 2.0 is something else. I have the TPM socket but apparently it doesn't support TPM 2.0.
I'm more curious about supported CPUs. So it means Ryzen 1000 will not receive the update just because the CPU?! If it's true, it's pretty stupid.
 

dangh

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Rubbish

There are literally kernel vulnerabilities all the time.
rubbish. Vulnerabilities will always happen, and linux is more secure without additional hardware requirements.
 

ddg4005

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Secure boot is nothing. My 10 year old motherboard has it, but the TPM 2.0 is something else. I have the TPM socket but apparently it doesn't support TPM 2.0.
I'm more curious about supported CPUs. So it means Ryzen 1000 will not receive the update just because the CPU?! If it's true, it's pretty stupid.

They are currently testing Windows 11 on seventh-generation Intel Core i7 processors and first-generation AMD Ryzen CPUs. Hopefully, they show them some love.
 

Geralt

Posts: 622   +881
There are fewer and fewer games that won't run on Linux - either natively or through Wine/Proton
Linux is a promise, desktop wise, that was never fulfilled. It is just good wishes but in practice Windows dominates on desktop, and by a vast margin.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 6,518   +4,903
GOOD, maybe this will help keep the Complainers off the os.
Well, if there were guarantees of not forcing breaking updates on everyone that would be a step in the right direction, IMO. But Microsoft set that as a goal? Nah!
 

Dimitriid

Posts: 1,079   +2,052
It's secure but, unfortunately, the games are on Windows.
Valve thinks they can change that. And so far they have been the most successful at actually getting a wide number of games to run on Linux.

Mind you that's not saying much since the % of games that ran on Linux without too much fiddling was tiny to begin with but I still think that if users are tech savvy enough to know what TPM 2.0 is and know why their current custom made rigs are not going to be "Compatible" with Windows 11, they're likely tech savvy enough to figure out a basic Ubuntu installation, getting Lutris or Proton, and having most of their games "just work" without many extra steps required.
 

wiyosaya

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Linux is a promise, desktop wise, that was never fulfilled. It is just good wishes but in practice Windows dominates on desktop, and by a vast margin.
Personally, I have a Linux PC as a gateway/DNS/NTP Server/Samba Server for my home network and have had that for over 10-years now. They finally have it, openSuSE, to a point where upgrades happen flawlessly. I can't speak to games running on it, but for what I use it for, I have no complaints and would not consider switching that PC to Windohs for any reason.

I also have a laptop which I have dual-booting between Windohs 10 and openSuSE. At this point, I am considering getting rid of Windohs 10 on that PC.
 

Geralt

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Personally, I have a Linux PC as a gateway/DNS/NTP Server/Samba Server for my home network and have had that for over 10-years now. They finally have it, openSuSE, to a point where upgrades happen flawlessly. I can't speak to games running on it, but for what I use it for, I have no complaints and would not consider switching that PC to Windohs for any reason.

I also have a laptop which I have dual-booting between Windohs 10 and openSuSE. At this point, I am considering getting rid of Windohs 10 on that PC.
There are always exceptions.
 

Darth Shiv

Posts: 2,221   +791
rubbish. Vulnerabilities will always happen, and linux is more secure without additional hardware requirements.
More secure? Who cares.... it also has a far smaller ecosystem which means a lot more things to attack in Windows. Most of the market will never use Linux because it is not GUI centric for config of everything as first stop. Get over it. Nobody gives a stuff how Linux security is better anymore. Linux on desktop is dead. They failed.
 
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Geralt

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More secure? Who cares.... it also has a far smaller ecosystem which means a lot more things to attack. Most of the market will never use Linux because it is not GUI centric for config of everything as first stop. Get over it. Nobody gives a stuff how Linux security is better anymore. Linux on desktop is dead. They failed.
Yes, I agree.
 

PenguinJoe

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I already have a fairly high end pc (AMD TR 3970) that works exceedingly well under windows 10. I certainly have no desire to run windows 11 and really not interested in obtaining a TMP 2.0 module just to do that.
 

Geralt

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I already have a fairly high end pc (AMD TR 3970) that works exceedingly well under windows 10. I certainly have no desire to run windows 11 and really not interested in obtaining a TMP 2.0 module just to do that.
My 3950 has that module in the settings. So, you are very likely to have it too. To enable it in the UEFI settings is a piece of cake. It appears as fTPM.
 

Theinsanegamer

Posts: 2,712   +4,242
Linux is a promise, desktop wise, that was never fulfilled. It is just good wishes but in practice Windows dominates on desktop, and by a vast margin.
McDonalds dominated the fast food industry, doesnt make it good food.
With the new steam deck coming and their determination to make every game work, Ubuntu and Steam proton is a valid option if all you do is play games on your pc using linux.
Every game I play runs in linux with the exception of a handfull of oddballs. there's also a lot of work being dont to improve the performance of 3D graphics in VMs.

Honestly with the quality of newer games and the sheer backlog of older titles ont he likes of Steam and GoG, incompatiblity with modern AAA multiplayer games couldnt phase me less. Not having to put up with MS's shenanigans is more then worth it.
 

Axle Grease

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I hope they do, even my FX8320 did handle it pretty well.

Any PC that can run Win10 will run Win11 were it not for the blocks MS puts in the way. I installed the initial Windows 11 ISO release on a PC with an Asus Rampage II Extreme mobo. I mean that PC can run Battlefield V very well so Win11 was no problem.
 

quadibloc

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Well, if Microsoft would rather people not resort to hacks to install Windows 11 on computers where it won't work properly - which is reasonable enough in itself - they know what they have to do.
Continue to support Windows 10 with regular security updates for as long as the sun shines, the grass grows, and the rivers flow. (Admittedly, that didn't work out so well for the Cherokee.) Or at least as long as Windows 11 is supported.
 

Darth Shiv

Posts: 2,221   +791
McDonalds dominated the fast food industry, doesnt make it good food.
Every game I play runs in linux with the exception of a handfull of oddballs. there's also a lot of work being dont to improve the performance of 3D graphics in VMs.

Honestly with the quality of newer games and the sheer backlog of older titles ont he likes of Steam and GoG, incompatiblity with modern AAA multiplayer games couldnt phase me less. Not having to put up with MS's shenanigans is more then worth it.
I don't think anyone is pretending Windows is some brilliant secure OS. They have their baggage and it is very substantial baggage but they are certainly tightening it up. Linux will never be able to achieve market that Windows has. So would I prefer $trillions ecosystem with **** security that I can work on fixing? Yes. There's a reason Windows won and Linux never fulfilled its promise.

Let's not pretend Linux is an alternative because we have seen over several decades now they haven't worked out what it takes. I lament that. Truly I do.
 

jdwii

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McDonalds dominated the fast food industry, doesnt make it good food.
Every game I play runs in linux with the exception of a handfull of oddballs. there's also a lot of work being dont to improve the performance of 3D graphics in VMs.

Honestly with the quality of newer games and the sheer backlog of older titles ont he likes of Steam and GoG, incompatiblity with modern AAA multiplayer games couldnt phase me less. Not having to put up with MS's shenanigans is more then worth it.

On POP OS right now on W10 just a week ago I had 40-45FPS in cyberpunk at medium settings now its at low settings with 20-30FPS not exactly fun.
 

jdwii

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I don't think anyone is pretending Windows is some brilliant secure OS. They have their baggage and it is very substantial baggage but they are certainly tightening it up. Linux will never be able to achieve market that Windows has. So would I prefer $trillions ecosystem with **** security that I can work on fixing? Yes. There's a reason Windows won and Linux never fulfilled its promise.

Let's not pretend Linux is an alternative because we have seen over several decades now they haven't worked out what it takes. I lament that. Truly I do.

You are wrong and I'm NOT a pro linux guy but you have to be living in a cave to not see what Proton and wine has done over the past 3 years.

In 2010 you could NOT play most of your steam library on Linux now you CAN. You make me laugh out loud when you talk about Microsoft fixing your security issues lol they can't even sign a driver without malware in it.

The WHOLE world looks at the code in Linux distro's vs just what a tiny little windows team that keeps breaking new things with every new dev build in 11.

Pathetic to say the least.

You also make it seem like Linux lost somehow it won on every single device BUT the desktop / laptop market.

HELL its in fridges, AVRs, TV's, cable boxes, of course 70% of ALL SERVERS, in the top 10 of ALL super computers in the world.

Windows has a crap Kernel and a worse scheduler that is why it loses to Linux on a LOT of apps if a computer has 16+ cores. I remember when threadripper came out Linux was beating the crap out of Windows with that CPU Wendell who knows his stuff from level one techs did pleanty of content on that.
 

Darth Shiv

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You are wrong and I'm NOT a pro linux guy but you have to be living in a cave to not see what Proton and wine has done over the past 3 years.

In 2010 you could NOT play most of your steam library on Linux now you CAN. You make me laugh out loud when you talk about Microsoft fixing your security issues lol they can't even sign a driver without malware in it.

The WHOLE world looks at the code in Linux distro's vs just what a tiny little windows team that keeps breaking new things with every new dev build in 11.

Pathetic to say the least.

You also make it seem like Linux lost somehow it won on every single device BUT the desktop / laptop market.

HELL its in fridges, AVRs, TV's, cable boxes, of course 70% of ALL SERVERS, in the top 10 of ALL super computers in the world.

Windows has a crap Kernel and a worse scheduler that is why it loses to Linux on a LOT of apps if a computer has 16+ cores. I remember when threadripper came out Linux was beating the crap out of Windows with that CPU Wendell who knows his stuff from level one techs did pleanty of content on that.
Mate phones and embedded are a completely separate market. Wine? It's garbage perf compared to native Windows for AAA.