Microsoft Office 2013 drops support for XP, Vista

[SNGX1275]

The bottom line here is that Microsoft has to make money, otherwise there is no reason for them to exist. It is that simple. Now we as consumers will see it differently, they need to exist because we use their software, but WE USE THEIR SOFTWARE!. We buy the product they sell us.

Most people on TS like to exclaim XP as 'good enough', and why screw with it past there, even office 2003 too. But I believe this is an age related thought. XP sort of reigned for a minimum of 6 years in the 'consumer' world. Most people that post to places like this are between 13 and early 20s. Most people that post here then didn't experience any Windows OS other than XP (as their first OS).

Windows before XP wasn't all that dreadful. Businesses were running something called Windows NT. NT was pretty stable, NT became Windows 2000, and Windows 2000 sort of merged with Windows 9x and made XP. But XP is really NT.

NT was pretty damn good, and 2k was really good (got plug and play support). So, be careful how much you lean on the "why do I need Win 8 or whatever next gen os" because it is equally as possible to argue against XP. Windows 2k was fine.

 

[killeriii]

NT was pretty damn good, and 2k was really good (got plug and play support). So, be careful how much you lean on the "why do I need Win 8 or whatever next gen os" because it is equally as possible to argue against XP. Windows 2k was fine.

XP is 2000 with better eye candy and a walk-you-through-it interface.

8 seems like a step back...Ugly and a we're-going-to-change-everything-you-got-used-to interface..

btw NT sucked! IMO (networking was a headache...but it was more stable than win95,98)

 

[Guest]

This won't effect much, some big company (Bank) still using Microsoft Office 2007 or 2010 for stability and reliability,

 

[NightAngel79]

Vista is 3+years older than 7. Also 7 is essentially the finished product of vista. Anyone running Vista is doing themselves a disservice by not immediately upgrading to Vista (MS should let users do that for free)

 

[NightAngel79]

1. Of course! Windows Vista and 7 are the same thing (6.X), and the new 8 too!
2. Windows 8 upgrade is not free!
3. Windows XP is a rock!
4. There are OpenSuse, CentOS, Madriva, Fedora, Ubuntu, Kubuntu,... too!
5. Who needs an OS upgrade ?

1'. Of course! Office 2007 and 2010 are the same thing, and the new 2013 too!
2'. Office 2013 upgrade is not free!
3'. Office 2000 is a rock!
4'. There are Open Office and LibreOffice, too!
5'. Who needs a Office upgrade ?

The best car is that you have!
' The best sotware is that you have!

******! I keep forgetting to use the quote button!

Show me a world where Openoffice can even conceive of competing with MS Office

 

[Guest]

Just because Microsoft builds it doesn't mean you have to use it. So Office 2013 doesn't support XP/Vista, then don't upgrade, keep using what your using now. I don't believe there are any new formats with Office 2013, so your current product should keep working just fine. Microsoft has increased the release cycle of products and is pushing people to the cloud so that they can make more money. They would love to go to a subscription based model where you never own anything but you get free upgrades for a monthly cost of $$$$. Your choice is, I don't have to keep jumping on the upgrade bandwagon or I can switch to another vendor. Just because Microsoft builds it doesn't mean you have to use it.

 

[Guest]

...we have more important things to talk about like those evil bandwidth caps.

 

[Doctor John]

Show me a world where Openoffice can even conceive of competing with MS Office

Does it not?

 

[cliffordcooley]

Show me a world where Openoffice can even conceive of competing with MS Office

Does it not?

I know OpenOffice Projections doesn't compete with MS Office Powerpoint. I tried using Projections as a substitute for Powerpoint because I didn't have a License for Powerpoint on a machine I needed to show a presentation from. After a week or so of working with Projections, I was left with no other choice but to abandon that app because it was useless trying to fine tune my work. My presentation was constantly showing glitches with few resources for customizable features (the features I was using anyway). The word processor and spreadsheet app may be fine for a substitute but the presentation builder fell short quickly in my experience.

 

[Guest]

"OpenOffice Projections" ???
What is it ?
Where is it ?
I've never heard it...
... from a OpenOffice User!

 

[cliffordcooley]

"OpenOffice Projections" ???

Whether or not it was ever called Projections or not, I don't know. For some reason that is the name I have been calling it. The name now appears to be Impress whether or not it has always been Impress, I can not say for sure.

Sorry for any confusion.

 

[Guest]

The equivalent in LibreOffice is presentations, I think it's the same in Open?
It works fine for me (not being smug just giving my input!)

 

[Doctor John]

The equivalent in LibreOffice is presentations, I think it's the same in Open?
It works fine for me (not being smug just giving my input!)

Sorry, that was me, I forgot to login

 

[avoidz]

Most people on TS like to exclaim XP as 'good enough', and why screw with it past there, even office 2003 too. But I believe this is an age related thought. XP sort of reigned for a minimum of 6 years in the 'consumer' world. Most people that post to places like this are between 13 and early 20s. Most people that post here then didn't experience any Windows OS other than XP (as their first OS).

Windows before XP wasn't all that dreadful. Businesses were running something called Windows NT. NT was pretty stable, NT became Windows 2000, and Windows 2000 sort of merged with Windows 9x and made XP. But XP is really NT.

NT was pretty damn good, and 2k was really good (got plug and play support). So, be careful how much you lean on the "why do I need Win 8 or whatever next gen os" because it is equally as possible to argue against XP. Windows 2k was fine.

Windows XP was an improvement on Windows 2000 (more features, consumer-friendly interface, better game support, etc.) and is the sweet spot in Microsoft's OS history. Windows 7 comes very close. I am 40 and have used all of Microsoft's operating systems.

 

[Guest]

"Most average households can't afford to buy a new computer every 5 years"
But somehow they can afford iPhones, iPads, and Android tablets?

Are desktops and laptops still starting at $500 or did they get cheaper in the last 10yrs?

 

[SNGX1275]

Windows XP was an improvement on Windows 2000 (more features, consumer-friendly interface, better game support, etc.) and is the sweet spot in Microsoft's OS history. Windows 7 comes very close. I am 40 and have used all of Microsoft's operating systems.

I'm 32 and have used every Windows OS since 3.1 (although spent very little time with the Server OSes), I still stand by my statement though.

More features isn't much of an argument, because the more crap that gets built into the OS the slower it gets. Compare Windows XP prior to any service packs on something like a Pentium II, with XP SP3 on the same computer. You could just put 2k on that machine, suffer through the long boot (2k took forever to boot) and then put 3rd party apps on, that didn't screw up the responsiveness of the OS, to give it the 'features' of XP SP3. Sure its sometimes nice to not have to install stuff to give your OS an ability (like mounting isos), but often that comes at a price. Hardware is fast enough now that it isn't such a big deal, but when XP SP2 and SP3 were coming out, there were significant responsiveness issues over something like 2k SP4.

Most games that work in XP will also work in 2k. For the relatively few that didn't, you could often work around that. Per Hasson on these forums made a few guides on how to do so.

I don't think XP is much friendlier than 2k. Setup maybe was because of the help bubble holding your hand through some parts, but inside the OS itself there wasn't much difference. Plus you had the "Fisher Price" interface to deal with or change.

 

[danhodge]

Honestly, please try again with a valid argument.

If you can afford Office (2010 or 2013), you can afford Windows 7. In some instances Office is twice the price of Windows 7, depending on the version/edition selected.

That wasn't an argument, I was joking...
But to keep at it, fine, I can torrent Office too - but I wouldn't be able to do that with Vista.

The point is, I paid for a Windows OS, and I expect Microsoft stuff to work on it. I am happy buying Office 2013 should I need it, but I wont buy a new OS just for the sake of using a new version of Office.