Microsoft removes Huawei laptops from its store as ARM cuts ties with Chinese firm

[captaincranky]

Whether US wants it or not, China will surpass US as world number one economy...as they have done it for the past twenty years leaving behind, Germany, India and Japan......[ ]...

Whoa! India has an economy, who knew? I didn't think it went much past setting up scam call centers and supposed "tech support"..

That god I gave up smoking weed decades ago. 'Cause had I been stoned when I heard that, it would have broken my head completely.

 

[sauri]

This is nothing but to suppress China economically so they wouldn't become the world number one economy in the near future....The drawback is that the economic wars have a dangerous implication to become military wars!

That just will make China more self-sufficient and stronger and confident in the end. Look at the effect of the sanctions against Russia.

 

[That Dude There]

Russia, China ect are commmmminnnnggggggg...

 

[Arthur Jones]

Back in the 50s and 60s we warned that the West should be wary of China not the Ruskies. Told you so, the chickens are coming home to roost.

 

[poohbear]

Well, lets see how well Chinese tech does on its own now. Huawei copied so much from the west, lets see them try to innovate on their own with their 1.4 billion people.

I remember doing a 1 year teacher exchange there at a local high school in 2014, cheating was absolutely RAMPANT. It was unbelievable, and the very concept of plagiarism seemed like a GOOD thing to them. "Teacher I found the work to copy by myself, why am I losing points??"

 

[Markoni35]

Whether US wants it or not, China will surpass US as world number one economy...as they have done it for the past twenty years leaving behind, Germany, India and Japan......[ ]...

Whoa! India has an economy, who knew? I didn't think it went much past setting up scam call centers and supposed "tech support"..

That god I gave up smoking weed decades ago. 'Cause had I been stoned when I heard that, it would have broken my head completely.

That's exactly what I wanted to say. Putting "India" in the same sentence with Japan, United States and Germany is like putting "tricycle" in the same sentence with Toyota, Ford and Mercedes. It just doesn't mix.

 

[TempleOrion]

Whether US wants it or not, China will surpass US as world number one economy...as they have done it for the past twenty years leaving behind, Germany, India and Japan......[ ]...

Whoa! India has an economy, who knew? I didn't think it went much past setting up scam call centers and supposed "tech support"..

That god I gave up smoking weed decades ago. 'Cause had I been stoned when I heard that, it would have broken my head completely.

That's exactly what I wanted to say. Putting "India" in the same sentence with Japan, United States and Germany is like putting "tricycle" in the same sentence with Toyota, Ford and Mercedes. It just doesn't mix.

You mean the India that is projected to overtake the USA in terms of GDP/PPP well before 2030? And that has been growing @ 7 to 8% yoy for the last decade?

Not saying India will be considered an 'advanced' nation any time soon but it's a bit silly to try to sideline what will be one of the defining powers of the 2nd half of this century

 

[Wizz-Fizz]

Whether US wants it or not, China will surpass US as world number one economy...as they have done it for the past twenty years leaving behind, Germany, India and Japan......[ ]...

Whoa! India has an economy, who knew? I didn't think it went much past setting up scam call centers and supposed "tech support"..

That god I gave up smoking weed decades ago. 'Cause had I been stoned when I heard that, it would have broken my head completely.

That's exactly what I wanted to say. Putting "India" in the same sentence with Japan, United States and Germany is like putting "tricycle" in the same sentence with Toyota, Ford and Mercedes. It just doesn't mix.

India has the 3rd largest economy, in terms of GDP, in the OECD, 2nd is USA, and 1st is China.
The only thing holding them back is the GDP per capita, being 2nd worst in the OECD.

Keep an eye on India, they solve for GDP per capita, we will be having a very different conversation

 

[captaincranky]

India has the 3rd largest economy, in terms of GDP, in the OECD, 2nd is USA, and 1st is China.
The only thing holding them back is the GDP per capita, being 2nd worst in the OECD.

Keep an eye on India, they solve for GDP per capita, we will be having a very different conversation

Yeah really. They just come over to the US and do our jobs for half the pay. Unfortunately their population is over a billion, so per capita, they're pretty close to 3rd world. So maybe the, "different conversation" we should be be having with them is about spaying and neutering.

About 70 rupees equal one dollar. I guess that's to make the average person in India feel like they have more than they do.

They are a force in generic drug production, IDK what else

 

[Wizz-Fizz]

Yeah really. They just come over to the US and do our jobs for half the pay.

That sounds like a problem with USA labour laws, not India.

Unfortunately their population is over a billion, so per capita, they're pretty close to 3rd world. So maybe the, "different conversation" we should be be having with them is about spaying and neutering."

Yeah, lets treat 1.3bn perople like animals, or we could promote education.
It has been proven under many studies that higher education has a direct, negative, correlation on population growth.
Many of the worlds most educated countries are in negative natural population growth due to people seeking opportunity through further education and employment, as opposed to larger and larger families.
India's fertility rate is currently 2.3 per woman, barely above the population replacement rate of 2.1

About 70 rupees equal one dollar. I guess that's to make the average person in India feel like they have more than they do."

What does exchange rate have to do with this discussion?
The exchange rate of the Rupee is determined by the international money market, and while GPD will have some small impact on this through net exports, its effect is minimal unless one currency in the exchange is fixed )See the Japanese Yen in the late 80's)

They are a force in generic drug production, IDK what else"

Just to name a few....
- Technology Services
- Mining
- Manufacturing (especially Tata)


I'm not sure what the axe is against India you have to grind, but the data shows India is a potential economic superpower in the making regardless of your personal opinion

 

[captaincranky]

Yeah, lets treat 1.3bn perople like animals, or we could promote education.

Well. at one time, (and probably still do), India had a population clock, and a prime minister who said something to the effect of, "well there's a billion of us, now they'll have to take us seriously".

The truth of the matter is, many anthropologists feel that the species "Homo sapiens", should be included in the genus "Pan", along with the other two chimp species P troglodytes and P. paniscus. The genus "Homo" was named first, so it stands.

The only difference between us and other carnivores, is that we wash our kills down with a fine burgandy. (Yes, I know, we're technically omnivores).

It is man's paramount conceit that he is not an animal, and his greatest fear is that he is. What else could possibly excuse the invention of religion?

It has been proven under many studies that higher education has a direct, negative, correlation on population growth.
Many of the worlds most educated countries are in negative natural population growth due to people seeking opportunity through further education and employment, as opposed to larger and larger families.
India's fertility rate is currently 2.3 per woman, barely above the population replacement rate of 2.1

Isn't that sort of like locking the barn after the horse has been stolen?

What does exchange rate have to do with this discussion?

I was making the point, that as a child, if you had ten pennies, you most likely thought it was worth more than a dime. It sort of follows that 70 rupees must be worth more than a dollar.

Just to name a few....
- Technology Services
- Mining
- Manufacturing (especially Tata)

"Technology services", is that when they call you up at home and tell you your computer is broken, or when they call you at home and ask you what kind of security system do you have installed?

You did forget the banality that is "Bollywood". I think the only theater more insufferable than a Bollywood musical, is any Japanese porn.

I'm not sure what the axe is against India you have to grind, but the data shows India is a potential economic superpower in the making regardless of your personal opinion

My pharmacist is a Sikh. He's a pretty nice guy, but most of India looks down on his type, don't they? Wrong caste, I suppose.

That sounds like a problem with USA labour laws, not India.

No, it sounds more like a problem with ruthlessness on the part of big business.

 

[Edito]

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China is not stronger than the USA....that is what we are fed, because we do live behind a curtain, somewhat.....

USA GDP is double China's, with 1/3 the people.
USA is #1 food exporter in the world, with less people than most other countries.
USA is now #1 energy supplier in the world.

The reason for all these levels listed above, with less people, is our market rewards efficiency. The main problem with China is that they have to provide a means of work and livelihood for over 1 billion people. That is very hard to do. That is why I believe China needs the US more than we need them. I don't want them to fail, but if they let these brilliant people excel on their own talents, then we might be in trouble.

They are trying a "MADE IN CHINA" push to be in place by 2025 and I think with their current system, it will be hard to accomplish.

And remember, this story is only presented to us at a level of what we currently know.....there is a lot more we don't know about. Canada, Japan & Australia (to name a few) is taking the same position as the US and it has to be for a reason.

And you are not being fed? Everyone is being fed... But one think we all know... China has the upper hand...

 

[Edito]

Russia, China ect are commmmminnnnggggggg...

Are coming? they are here and are here to stay...

 

[captaincranky]

Back in the 50s and 60s we warned that the West should be wary of China not the Ruskies. Told you so, the chickens are coming home to roost.

Because after all, it was the Chinese who put up the Berlin Wall. Get some facts straight, the US needs or needed, to be wary of both

Checkpoint Charlie:

But go back 20 years from your vantage point, and Japan had China almost totally under control..

But not on this day:

 

[Danny101]

If China has to steal and copy everyone's else's tech. Then what can they accomplished if abandoned?

 

[Wizwill]

Our beautiful blue, fertile planet is currently grossly overpopulated by humans. Well over 50% of the world's oxygen-producing peormaforest has been denuded and in just my lifetime, the "official" world's population has more than doubled. Nighttime images of the planet's surface from near-space show almost all land surfaces 'lit up' by man-made lighting, currently fueled largely by heat-radiating, particulate carbon and carbon dioxide emitting coal.

Despite the current American administration's official heads-up-their-butts protestations to the opposite, climate warming IS occurring, the polar ice caps ARE melting, and the seas ARE rising.

Perhaps when there are only a few small islands left above the waves, the remaining humans being picked off by circling Great Whites like penguins in the surf will come to their senses. Or perhaps Gaia or God, depending on your belief system, will present a new Black Plague or super-flu epidemic to clear the decks or maybe we'll simply all rot away from molds and fungus caused by the constant rainfall.

I'm betting that long before any of that happens, the world's esteemed 'leaders' will have nuked us into a glowing new Stone Age. Then we won't have to worry about the Chinese or folks on the Indian subcontinent stealing our precious IP.

Old fire extinguishers used to have a brass plaque on them stating,

"Aim at base of flames"

Determine at the REAL source of the problem then act accordingly.

 

[Danny101]

"Our beautiful blue, fertile planet is currently grossly overpopulated by humans. Well over 50% of the world's oxygen-producing peormaforest has been denuded and in just my lifetime, the "official" world's population has more than doubled. Nighttime images of the planet's surface from near-space show almost all land surfaces 'lit up' by man-made lighting, currently fueled largely by heat-radiating, particulate carbon and carbon dioxide emitting coal."

No worries. We have plenty of oxygen.

 

[Obaa1]

1: Most of Huawei's profit does not come from the US, it comes from Europe, Africa and Asia. Yes the US is a large market but the numbers are in the low-end spectrum of the market which generally caters to the Third World.

2: The US in effect wants a monopoly of spying on the rest of the world. Not ever going to happen.

3: Much of the world outside of Europe and North America would rather take their chances with being spied on by China. Why? Because they already know with certainty that they are being spied on by the US anyway. Furthermore, China has never invaded any other country.

4: In the final analysis the US is making a grave mistake. It is encouraging the Chinese to quicken their march towards self sufficiency. In 7-10 years time China most likely wouldn't have to rely on ARM or QualComm.

5: And not just Huawei or China, every other country will start trying to develop their own technology. Because if the US could do this to China, what stops it from doing the same to any other country in the future.

 

[dj2017]

USA is not killing anyone, only those who live in the USA and don't know about the outside world think Huawei will disappear... China is stronger than USA right now and USA needs China more than China needs USA that's a fact that's why they gave it 90 Days in those days everything will change...

Tell that to ZTE. And I don't live in USA. I am enjoying Mediterranean Sun in Greece.

 

[dj2017]

That's all well and good,high flown, noble, and idealistic. The only problem is that most of the jobs in Huawei, are created by America purchasing their product.

As a comparison, if Apple went out of business, I wouldn't give a crap how many Foxconn employees lost their jobs.

If Apple is a company that respects it's country by paying it's taxes, you would give a crap about the money that your country would lose from Apples' collapse. And not everyone who works at Apple is a Foxconn employee.

 

[dj2017]

It's called National Interests; and the Cold War did not end with the demise of the Warsaw Pact. I say, kick the sh*t out of Communist China any way we can.

They are 2 billions. If all Chinese people left their country and migrate to other countries, in every country of the world they will be able to have a political party that gets 25-35% of the votes.

Communists or not - ask any real communist and he will tell you that China is NOT a country with communism - they have the man power and they have the brains to understand that their future is in technology. And they throw everything they have into becoming the number one. Microsoft copied before it become the company that others try to copy.

 

[captaincranky]

Tell that to ZTE. And I don't live in USA. I am enjoying Mediterranean Sun in Greece.

Weren't you the people who almost sunk the EU with your overspending and lavish lifestyles?

That seemed to matter to the EU. However, I here in the US, would not give a crap if Greece sank into the Mediterranean.

Can you say, "bail out"?

If Apple is a company that respects it's country by paying it's taxes, you would give a crap about the money that your country would lose from Apples' collapse.

"If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. Ergo, try not to deal in hypothetical nonsense. Apple pays taxes to the country giving them the lowest rates at any given time

And not everyone who works at Apple is a Foxconn employee.

That is correct. The parasites and predators at the top of Apple's food chain, work here in the US at their new, "spaceship campus". Where, they apparently stroll around much of the day walking into the all glass walls. This is, (ostensibly), due to them screwing around with their iPhones, iPads, and Apple watches, and not watching where they are going.

OTOH, the "real Apple employees", (that's a euphemism for Foxconn's employees), work shifts sometimes in excess of 12, get tired, depressed, and disgusted, sometimes acting out on those issues, by jumping out of their dormitory windows. Foxconn has tried to "improve working conditions", by deploying "suicide nets" around their buildings.

But as I will go to my grave without ever spending one red cent on an Apple product, I could care less if they all jumped out the first available dormitory window, along with not giving a crap if every US Apple employee, suffers lifetime from concussion syndrome due to walking into plate glass walls.

Now let's see, what have we learned here?

1: People from Greece shouldn't tackle issues about finance.

2: People who cherry pick imaginary scenarios should probably expect cherry picked harsh and ugly reality in the replies they receive.

3: You should be sure to wear a high SPF sunscreen if you intend to sun yourself a lot, that close to the equator. (Mind you, I don't care if you wrinkle up and get skin cancer, but I figure you might).

4: Most importantly, I'm not really what anyone would consider a "people person". Thus, approach me accordingly

 

[captaincranky]

@ TechSpot

You want to delete posts? DELETE ALL MESSAGES. NOT only from ONE poster.

I replied to your name calling little tantrum, and that very lengthy post was deleted as well. This is a tech site, and not Twitter, so your rant/post was considered inappropriate and deleted.

Incidentally, individual members don't get to say what should or shouldn't be deleted. Those decisions are left up to staff, a member of which you are not.

Not to mention that there was NO REASON to delete my posts.

Well yes, there was a very specific reason why your post was deleted, and my reply to it was deleted as well. Try reading the rules.

You apparently feel that it is within your "authority" (which is nil), to call fellow members "brainless", or "worthless pieces of crap". Trust me, it isn't.

Incidentally, all capital letters is considered "shouting" here at Techspot, and your use of them is justification for removal of your most recent post (#48) as well. To reiterate, this is a tech site, not some YouTube comment section about a band you don't like.

I spent the better part of a hour replying to your little tantrum, knowing full well, in advance, that it was going to be removed. My hope was, that the email notification was sent, before my post was removed.

 

[captaincranky]

Similar fashion, they destroyed Iran & Afghanistan, no proof even today of nuclear arsenal owning of these two countries. A well planned strategy was adopted to propagate the presence of nuclear arsenal.
.

OK, well I prithee tell me when exactly it was that we, "destroyed Iran". I know we bombed IRAQ back to the stone age a couple of times.

As for Afghanistan, nobody here in the US claimed they had nuclear weapons. Afghanistan spawned, supported, and sponsored terrorist training camps. That country is harder to deal with. Just ask the Russians who were bogged down in war with them for more than a decade. We armed the Afghani rebels against the Russians. What we got in return were militant zealots who hated us with a passion. Talk about, "biting the hand which fed you".

So now, we've taken a laissez faire approach to the perennial conflicts in the middle, and watch the "revolutions" with a box of popcorn in hand, then open diplomatic relations with the winners.

We did Libya a huge favor by ousting Muammar Gaddafi, and nonsense like yours is the thanks we get for it.

Afghanistan is a harder issue to deal with, since if you wasted enough munitions to level it to a pancake flat desert, you would only do about 14 dollars (US) of damage.

I get a kick out of you noobs, who apparently join just to rag on the US. It seems you rewrite history to your convenience at the time of your membership applications.

Or, you're simply too poorly educated to know the difference between "IRAQ", and "IRAN".

I've heard your dogma to death though. "Everything the US does is bad", and everything you either make up , imagine, or pull out of thin air and incorporate into your own distorted belief system, is the "truth".