Microsoft stops sales of Windows 7 and 8.1 OEM licenses

So now Windows 10 is the last version of Windows they will ever release, or so I read somewhere, that is probably until everybody's got 10 and they need more money again.
Well, perhaps they're not lying when they say that, "Windows 10 is the last edition of Windows". Unfortunately, that leaves the possibility of adding a suffix letter to the "10". What we really have to worry about is "Windows 10s". The "s" of course, will be indicative of the fact that Windows has become a subscription offering...:eek: Hey, it could happen. Adobe seems to be doing well bullying their user base into a pay as you go model.

Part of the justification for that, isn't what they're saying in the advertisements. What they're not saying is, they can't justify charging $600.00 for every tiny feature added to every edition, along with blackmailing their customers for native raw file handling with the latest cameras.

So, the development of Photoshop's base features to some extent, plateaued. The same is more or less true of Windows. So, unless M$'s programmers get their collective a**es in gear, and come up with thought control along with a life size holographic "Cortana", subscription could be inevitable. And with 90+% of all computers, (at minimum, just in the USA), running Windows, they certainly do have a ton of leverage to attempt a subscription model. What are those conditions called again? Oh yeah, "monopoly", that's it.

As near as I can figure, M$ and its new CEO, are doing nothing less than testing how much they can bully their customer base, and doing a damned fine, bang up job of it!

If you go to your window and listen very, very, very closely, you might even be able to hear the adopters of Windows 10, murmuring in unison, "thank you sir, may I have another, thank you sir may I have another, thank you sir..........."..:eek:

The reality of M$ today is, that Bill gates really wasn't that bad of a guy, at least by CEO of a major corporation standards. But the no talent blackguards, thieves, and sociopaths hell bent on world domination running the place now, are likely capable of teaching Machiavelli a thing or two.
 
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It's a shame the only way they can get people to use Windows 10 is by force. Then they brag about adoption rates.
It's more of a shame people cling to an outdated OS when the replacement is superior in most and equal in all other ways. It would be more understandable had the update not been free.

But I'm assuming you were referring to win7 not 8 because there was so little support for 8, right?
I do residential tech service. I personally run: Win 7, Win 8, Win 8.1, Win 10, Mac, Linux Mint, & Chromebook, atm. My main desktop & choice of OS is & will likely remain Linux Mint, unless something comes along which proves itself better for my uses.

RE: the Win 10 upgrade push, why wasn't the compatibility tool more easily obtained & more heavily advertised? As it was, no one saw it unless they knew which hoops to find & jump through- *****ic from the start. Everyone SHOULD HAVE been given the upgrade choice as an "opt-IN", not "out". Surely Microsoft is capable of this? Right? Or, maybe the thrust was, "foist & let the masses sort it out"-- at THEIR cost, not MS's? I'm now in that camp.

The push/foisting of Windows 10 was like nothing I've ever seen. It's compatibility/install/update issues are just ridiculous in the extreme. Of the people I see who deliberately upgraded, about 70% either had the upgrade ruin their original system (I'm called to fix a "limbo" unit) or it was incompatible with something critical. There are many others who were simply upgraded WITHOUT their consent-- I'm still wondering why there hasn't been a class-action on that front?

Considering that Win 7 is supported until 2020, and that many machines running Win 7 are already nearing 7 years old, that would mean that by the time you no longer have support you'd likely be in the market for a new machine anyway. Why upgrade to Win 10, at all?

Imho- & we all have one (though some are not so humble). ;)
I also do repairs and seriously prefer Linux Mint Cinnamon edition, but am somewhat forced to run Win 7 on my 'repair' laptop. The large majority of the service calls I've gotten for the past year are those who'd leaped- without looking!- onto the 10 bandwagon, and want the Win 7 rollback (odd how they were not so quick to go for Win 8 though!), but have put it off for longer than a month, thereby negating any shot at going back, without a fresh install (fortunately I've kept all versions of the Win 7 installs). However, after showing people Mint a huge percentage have opted for it instead of going back. About the only ones that really haven't are gamers, as WINE is just a serious and iffy emulator that crashes on many win programs. There have also been several that want Win 7 back after test flying Mint as the hassle to enter a password for EVERYTHING just does become a drag after a while. I'll never ever go to MS' Frankenstein Win 10. I agree, it's horrid!
 
What a shame all this bad news on top of the election this week.
I prefer Windows 95 over Windows 10 any day.
Sure makes my Intel Pentium 286 with its 500mb hard drive start up a lot faster.
Remember when you installed a 1 GB hard drive and you were the talk of the town.
Good times folks . And then the cell phone with a 12 lb battery came out that was great for exercise.
Or even using it to make your car jack go up a little higher while on the side of the 91 East Freeway.
Have a good one you guys. TRUMP or FEMA CAMPS ? hmmmm ? Great choices...hahahahaa
 
You're misplacing your bias on me; there are now more than 400 million devices running Windows 10. Thousands of complaints would be a grain of sand on the beach compared to that figure.
Only if you harbor the foolish idea that every person who was unhappy with it posted a complaint on the internet. For each person who actually took the time to write a complaint, there are hundreds or thousands more who feel the same way. You can't compare the entire installed base of 10 with just the subset of unhappy users that post about it. The contempt for Windows 10 on the internet is significant-- it's easily more hated than Vista was in its day, and with good reason. Vista was released before it was ready, and often on hardware that was not really up to the task. Windows 10, on the other hand, is bad by design, and even as people have told MS where 10 is lacking, MS has only doubled its efforts to force us to take the product we don't want.
Your own experience/perception clouds the reality that 10 quickly surpassed 7 in functionality, stability, and features.
Everyone's a comedian.

It never passed Windows 7 in stability, and as for features... 10 lacks many absolute must-have features that were in every version of 7. Functionality is in the eye of the beholder... but I will offer that I never have to wait for Windows 7 to get done updating before I can shut it down (without risking disk errors), nor do I have to force-off the computer when I want it off NOW and the only choices are "update and shut down" and "update and restart."
I agree that most people should hold off on upgrading in the first few weeks to allow the kinks to be worked out but 10 is nearly 15 months old so that's no longer a valid concern.
It took what, two months and ten updates to get the anniversary update to work correctly? It's not even close to being ready for prime time after 15 months, and given that the non-enterprise users are the beta testers, it probably never will be. What's worse is that even if it were fully tested and debugged before release, it would still be garbage.
 
Only if you harbor the foolish idea that every person who was unhappy with it posted a complaint on the internet. For each person who actually took the time to write a complaint, there are hundreds or thousands more who feel the same way.

It never passed Windows 7 in stability, and as for features... 10 lacks many absolute must-have features that were in every version of 7. Functionality is in the eye of the beholder... but I will offer that I never have to wait for Windows 7 to get done updating before I can shut it down (without risking disk errors), nor do I have to force-off the computer when I want it off NOW and the only choices are "update and shut down" and "update and restart."

It took what, two months and ten updates to get the anniversary update to work correctly? It's not even close to being ready for prime time after 15 months, and given that the non-enterprise users are the beta testers, it probably never will be. What's worse is that even if it were fully tested and debugged before release, it would still be garbage.
You have no proof of that, only conjecture. Most companies find that detractors are the most vocal, not least. But it's easy to make claims without support.

Feel free to list them.

Again some people had hardware issues (those with webcams that didn't work, those with the Application data on separate drives than the OS, etc.) but hundreds of millions did not have issue

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonk...ndows-10-anniversary-update-crashes-problems/


This is an untenable position as all OS's have issues when updating. The bigger the OS (Windows, iOS, Android) the more public the issues are. If the measurement of a "garbage" OS is issues during updates then all OS's are garbage including Windows 7.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonk...warns-windows-7-boot-up-problem/#2b0d5e85395e
 
You have no proof of that, only conjecture. Most companies find that detractors are the most vocal, not least. But it's easy to make claims without support.

You're asking for proof that not all people who are unhappy with Windows 10 posted about it on the internet?
Detractors may be more vocal than supporters, generally speaking, but you didn't attempt to compare the number of detractors online to the number of supporters online. You attempted to compare the number of detractors online to the number of users Microsoft claimed for Windows 10. Talk about claims without support... you are comparing apples to doctors and getting a result of "kitty" and claiming that proves your point.

Feel free to list them.

How about the ability to decide for myself if and when (and which) updates will be downloaded and installed? That one is an absolute must-have; without it, all other discussion of relative merits is merely academic. That's where we are, though, since there's just no way I'll ever run 10 if it is anything close to what it is in November 2016, and there are several more can't-do-without features 10 lacks:

Windows 7 features a user interface that was designed strictly for the traditional non-touch mouse & keyboard PC. That's another one I refuse to live without. I don't have a touch device, and I have no plans to ever run Windows on a touch-enabled device. As such, I refuse to accept any of the UI compromises that have to be made to make touch interfaces work. Windows 10 has a disjointed, half-and-half user interface that can't decide if it wants to be a phone or a desktop PC. The lack of UWP and "apps" is a feature I could only live without if MS had done such a good job with the PC version of the UI that I didn't even notice I was running a "jack of all trades" OS. They didn't; I'm painfully aware of it every time I use 10.

How about the complete and total lack of ads? I can't even conceive that people would use an OS that contains ads. I don't care that I can turn them off (until MS turns them back on, and then I can turn them back off again, like an advertising game of whack-a-mole)... they should never be there, period.

How about the lack of telemetry? I've heard all the arguments about why it's okay, why MS needs the data, why I shouldn't care because it's all anonymized... and I have rejected them. If there is a "completely off" setting for enterprise, that means MS did not convince every organization out there that telemetry is fine and dandy-- and rather than trying to convince them it's fine, MS gave them the "off" they were asking for. I'll have what they're having, please.

Now, admittedly, MS is doing their best to bring a lot of the bad stuff in Windows 10 to 7, but so far I've been able to avoid it-- and I will keep avoiding it. Hopefully MS will not attempt to force Win 7 users to choose between going unpatched and having the bad stuff added to 7 along with the security stuff.

Again some people had hardware issues (those with webcams that didn't work, those with the Application data on separate drives than the OS, etc.) but hundreds of millions did not have issue

You don't know how many have the issue. You're guessing it's hundreds of millions, but that statistic is not in the article.

This is an untenable position as all OS's have issues when updating. The bigger the OS (Windows, iOS, Android) the more public the issues are. If the measurement of a "garbage" OS is issues during updates then all OS's are garbage including Windows 7.

That's pretty much the opposite of what I said. I said that Windows 10 would still be garbage even if it had been fully debugged before release. That means my opinion that it is garbage is independent of the bugs introduced with nearly every new build. IOW, Windows 10 is garbage by design, but it's made worse because each new version is released without adequate testing, leaving the users to be the beta testers. The same is true of Windows 7 patches now, but fortunately, we're not supposed to be getting any new "features," so the opportunities to break things in general are reduced, and I can choose to delay or avoid the bad ones (even if it is part of a Windows 10-style "rollup") as long as I wish without having to intentionally break the updating system.

If MS was strictly adhering to its definition of extended support (meaning no new features, only security and bug fixes), that would be phenomenal-- most of what they consider "features" these days are nothing I'd want. Bug and security fixes are all I'm really interested in! Things like GWX adware and telemetry updates are neither security updates nor bug fixes-- they're "feature" updates, and as such, would not be part of 7 if MS had stuck to its own rules.
 
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