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More details about AMD's Bulldozer-based FX lineup emerge

By Jos · 49 replies
Mar 14, 2011
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  1. Lokalaskurar

    Lokalaskurar TS Enthusiast Posts: 544

    Oh my God, those boxes are beautiful. AMD sure know how to adapt to a modern market.
  2. i dont understand what is new at it? more cores and higher memory speed? thats all?
  3. Julio Franco

    Julio Franco TechSpot Editor Posts: 7,581   +961

    Our ad agency implemented this Intel campaign today and we didn't get a chance to properly test it ahead of time.

    The big ad will still show on occasion but it won't break the site's layout anymore. BTW, it's not a pop up :)
  4. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,224   +164

    Do some reading. Its a completely new architecture with a new process (32nm)
    They also changed from SOI process to High K metal in now way shape or form bares any resemblance to the K-10 (athlon/Phenom) CPU's....other than they are both square.
  5. DokkRokken

    DokkRokken TS Rookie Posts: 267

    I just want AMD to get these out so they can focus their energy on making products that attract actual buyers, as opposed to rabid enthusiasts who likely won't buy the chips anyways.
  6. bonniesmith

    bonniesmith TS Rookie Posts: 40

    It's called target advertising, just block the ads and it wont happen again.
  7. war59312

    war59312 TS Booster Posts: 130   +9

    Mehaha, I won't be upgrading my i7 until at least 12 (or 24 threads with hyper-threading) core chips are out. That and when most apps are finally taking advantage of all the cores and GPU.
  8. Technically the 8 core models are 4 core/modules...since one module has two smaller ones so it is essentially a 4 core with hyperthreading done right...
  9. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,262

    Something that could have significant bearing on upgrade paths for people with some Asus 890FX/GX/880G/870760G chipset boards.
    Asus is quoted with this Swedish website (use your favourite translator) as offering Bulldozer compatibility via BIOS update for the Crosshair IV Formula/Extreme, M4A89TD & GTD Pro amongst others.
  10. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,224   +164

    ahh, good Ole Asus. Where do I per-order my FX 8130P? :D
    What I want to know is there going to be "limited functionality"? or did Asus have some insight into all this? I wonder if other MB manufacturers can/will offer this as well.
    If it's not functionally restraining, and the benches are good...this could be quite the marketing coup d'état for AMD.
    If in fact the numbers are as expected, I for one will order an FX 8130P and a new set Of DDR3 200-2400. It will be the first time in years I will use the same MB in a new build.
  11. Interesting to get some price indications, though I would not count on that.

    I wonder if it is viable and if there will be any Lynx mainboards in mini.ITX format at launch, with/for higher range Llano's.

    I highly anticipate the Bulldozer, it will be even more intersting when AMD releases the next generation of Radeon's.
  12. I took a look at the chart and it seems like complete nonsense.

    "xbit" appear rather ridiculous for posting them, and so do you for parroting it wiithout a hint of criticism.

    E-350 in H2 2011?

    Not to talk about the other content of the chart and how it looks.

    There is no source and I think people should draw their conclusions based on that.
  13. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,262

    The chart is a snapshot of what AMD's CPU/APU product stack will look like in the second half of the year. Are you expecting the E-350 to go EOL (that's "End of Life" for the non-tech savvy) by June 1st.?
    If it makes as much sense as your first observation then I'd say you made a wise choice...and they say there is no such thing as beginners luck!
    You were expecting a validation from AMD ? I think in that case you should wait for what is commonly called a "Press Release".
  14. Rick

    Rick TechSpot Staff Posts: 4,572   +65

    No, it doesn't show anything conclusive at all. Benchmarks will show if that is a lie, not the number of cores and memory channels.

    There are no reputable sources with numbers yet, but if the rumors hold true, AMD's new architecture will actually deliver better performance than Intel's i7 clock for clock. That would be great for AMD but I certainly won't hold my breath.
  15. Face it, fanboys, AMD blew away Atom. i7 is next.
    You blew your wad on Sucker Bait?
    Everyone loves a big spender.
  16. DokkRokken

    DokkRokken TS Rookie Posts: 267

    There's also an MSI 890FX board, the GD-65 which has 'AM3+ CPU Support' written below the CPU socket. Not sure what to make of it, seeing as we've been told that BD would not be compatible with current chipsets.
  17. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,224   +164

  18. DokkRokken

    DokkRokken TS Rookie Posts: 267

    Interesting. However, that makes me wonder what would motivate enthusiasts to move to a 990, if BD is indeed compatible with certain 890's. What would a potentially pricier 990FX have over an 890?
  19. red1776

    red1776 Omnipotent Ruler of the Universe Posts: 5,224   +164

    Probably not much more than compatibility, possibly increased memory bandwidth. Its a little more difficult to say with a new CPU/socket. but from the 790-890 and from the P55-X58 there has traditionally been small performance increases, usually increased PCIE lanes is a majority of what you are paying for, and some additional OC'ing ability/features.
  20. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,262

    Judging by the feature set of the new chipsets, I'd say you're looking at only one-and-a-half differences from the "old" 890/870 chipsets.
    As G pointed out I guess there is now official support for DDR3-1866+, and the other (dubious) new feature is IOMMU virtualization according to wiki. I say dubious since IOMMU is already available to some 890FX boards whose BIOS supports the ACPI IVRS table feature. So now it's going to be widespread I suppose it counts as a new feature.
    A quick look at the manufacturers 890FX BIOS revisions shows a few boards capable of being flashed with a BIOS with IVRS;
    MSI 890FXA-GD70
    Asus M4A89TD Pro and Pro/USB3 (BIOS 1006 and BIOS 3012)
    Asus Crossfire IV Formula and Extreme (outlined by G in another thread-we seem to be coming full circle!)
    Gigabyte 890FXA-UD7 and -UD5 (may need a rev 3.1 board?)
    Biostar TA890FXE
    ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 (seems to be AM3+ ready. Not sure about the Deluxe3 and 4)
    Other than that the 990FX is a 890FX, 990X is 890GX (more or less), and the 970 is a 870. The two new southbridges (SB950 and 920) look the same as their predecessors (SB850 and 810).

    I might be missing some facts on this- so grain of salt time with the AM3+ compatible boards- might pay to get a definite before shelling out for one if you're looking at a BD upgrade. I think I've handled about three AMD boards in the last year, so feel free to correct and/or add
  21. DokkRokken

    DokkRokken TS Rookie Posts: 267

    This does concern me a bit then. If BD can be 'dropped into' an 890 with few alterations, that leads me to think that the architecture isn't too different from their current chips. I hope this isn't the case, because it means that they may still be behind Intel, and are once again catering to the 'budget' crowd; not that there's anything wrong with that in the big scheme of things.

    However, it seems only certain BD chips will support this backwards compatibility so I should reserve judgement. Plus, I'm of limited knowledge, so I'm perhaps simplifying the whole thing. :p
  22. dividebyzero

    dividebyzero trainee n00b Posts: 4,891   +1,262

    I was checking through a few threads on socket compatibility and noticed these posts (#2 and #12) by JF-AMD ( John Fruehe -AMD Server marketing). Simply stated you need an AM3+ socket (942 pin outs for a 940 pin CPU) and BD wont fit into a AM3 (941 pin outs for a 938 pin CPU). So either there is some FUD flying around, or Asus/Gigabyte/MSI/ASRock/Biostar boards already have the extra pinout rather than the blank- and have that pinout connected up- meaning that the C4E/C4F and others were built from the get-go as AM3+.
    The plot thickens...
  23. Here you go everyone...

  24. With the risk of being misunderstood, I will have a try at explaining Bulldozer and AM3+.

    Bulldozer is indeed a true eight core processor since it has eight integer units, however, unlike Intel using Hyper-Threading to pump out maximum performance from each core, AMD tried to increase efficiency, lower costs and decrease die size of it's not-at-all bad architecture trough sharing various logic components like Fetch and Decode, Floating Point Unit and Level 2 cache, components that aren't always fully utilised and consume more power in their initial dedicated forms.
    All this saved power may then be used to pump up those cores to raise processing performance trough speed.
    Unlike old single core processors ( like my Sempron 3000+ :) ) which have true efficiency thanks to their single integer/single FPU, single L2 cache design, multi core processors like Bulldozer and Nehalem suffer from programing inefficiency. One way to increase performance is to raise core clock but we all know that higher clocks translate into higher power consumption and temps. High temperatures can be lowered with better coolers but power consumption is limited by motherboard TDP design, since not all manufacturers allow high TDP parts on their mobos for economic reasons.
    From my point of view, AMD's approach to efficiency trough architectural improvements is logical and superior to Intel's, even though it's a bit too late.
    AMD and, later, Intel developed features like Cool'n'Quiet and EIST which decrease clock and voltage of unused cores, but this didn't solve TDP issues so they introduced Turbo to raise performance of used cores while staying within TDP limits.
    These features depend in some measure of chipset design. AMD wants and needs Bulldozer at it's peak efficiency and performance and to obtain it they will introduce AM3+/AM3b and 900-series chipsets.
    If you already own a 7/800-series motherboard and your manufacturer offers you compatibility with the new FX chips then keep it. But if you are buying a new PC/fully upgrading your PC/have too much money and don't know how to spend it then a 900-series mobo will be the logical buy.

    Pffffff too much writing :).

    Next summer I'll be upgrading too to an FX-8130P/980GX/DDR3 because my 1,8 sempron is hopelessly slow these days. Sandy Bridge just doesn't float my boat :)).
  25. T77

    T77 TS Enthusiast Posts: 300   +6

    nice box art :) An eight core processor,OMG! I want one........

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