Equipped with 5% less CUDA cores than the GTX 1080 and the same GDDR5 memory as the vanilla GTX 1070, it's not so simple to judge the performance of Nvidia's new GTX 1070 Ti.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1515-msi-geforce-gtx-1070-ti/
MSI GeForce GTX 1070 Ti Gaming Review
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theBest11778
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I wouldn't bother with the expanded test. The performance was a known quantity before these even released. I'd recommend waiting until AIB Vega 56 at least.
dirtyferret
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Here is the problem with the card and with building a PC right now
"The GTX 1080 Gaming X currently costs $570 while the GTX 1070 Ti Gaming is priced at $490. Both are well over their MSRPs, but let's ignore that for now because GPU pricing is inflated across the board."
The vast majority of people reading the review can't ignore pricing
Why invest in tech that is above MSRP?
8GB of RAM cost $45 in May of 2016 (see links below) the same RAM today costs $105.
http://techreport.com/review/29977/the-tech-report-system-guide-april-2016-edition/3
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod..._DDR4_3000_(PC4_24000)-_-20-231-897-_-Product
A GTX 1060 6GB was $260 and now is $300
http://techreport.com/review/31119/the-tech-report-system-guide-december-2016-edition/4
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...chReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA
So building the exact same PC is going to cost you roughly $100 more then it did a year ago. Think what kind of performance increase you can have if you invest from going to an Intel 8700 from the 8500 or Nvidia GTX 1070 from the GTX 1060.
"The GTX 1080 Gaming X currently costs $570 while the GTX 1070 Ti Gaming is priced at $490. Both are well over their MSRPs, but let's ignore that for now because GPU pricing is inflated across the board."
The vast majority of people reading the review can't ignore pricing
Why invest in tech that is above MSRP?
8GB of RAM cost $45 in May of 2016 (see links below) the same RAM today costs $105.
http://techreport.com/review/29977/the-tech-report-system-guide-april-2016-edition/3
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod..._DDR4_3000_(PC4_24000)-_-20-231-897-_-Product
A GTX 1060 6GB was $260 and now is $300
http://techreport.com/review/31119/the-tech-report-system-guide-december-2016-edition/4
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod...chReport&cm_mmc=OTC-TechReport-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA
So building the exact same PC is going to cost you roughly $100 more then it did a year ago. Think what kind of performance increase you can have if you invest from going to an Intel 8700 from the 8500 or Nvidia GTX 1070 from the GTX 1060.
Hope you test games in 1080p and 1440p as well and hope you add gtx 980
I don’t know the pricing in your countries, but here in Denmark the 1070TI is at 626 USD and the 1080 is at 665 USD.
If I had to buy a Gfx today, I would opt for the 1080 and OC it.
If I had to buy a Gfx today, I would opt for the 1080 and OC it.
Yeah that's the better option
Skidmarksdeluxe
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Over here the pricing for both the 1070Ti and 1080 are pretty much the same, about $570-$600, depending on the manufacturer of the card (about $80 difference between the two most expensive models), I tend to agree with you.
GreenNova343
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Local Micro Center:
-- GTX 1070: $410 to $500 USD, depending on model (cheapest is ASUS Turbo, 90YV09P0-M0NA00, but the OC'd 90YV09T1-M0NA00 is only $15 more; Gigabyte's WindForce/GV-N1070WF2OC-8GD is only another $10 beyond that)
-- GTX 1070TI: $470 for the MSI "DUKE" model (the only model available)
-- GTX 1080: $500 to $610 USD, depending on model (cheapest is ASUS Turbo, TURBO-GTX1080-8G, but the MSI Armor/GTX1080ARMR8GOC is only $20 more; EVGA's SC/08G-P4-6183-KR is only another $10 beyond that).
Now, you want to know the really crazy thing? I just compared the specs for their 1070TI Duke vs. MSI's Gaming X model. That 1070 has 3 modes: Silent Mode (lower Base clock than TI, but Boost/Memory clocks are identical), Gaming Mode (lower Base Clock, identical Memory Clock, but faster Boost Clock than the TI), & OC Mode (identical Base Clock, but Boost/Memory Clocks are faster than the TI). It's also a slightly shorter & lighter GPU, had identical HDCP/OpenGL/DirectX support, identical ports, identical GDDR5 RAM (amount & bus width). So, what kind of performance "boost" do I get for that extra $20?
-- GTX 1070: $410 to $500 USD, depending on model (cheapest is ASUS Turbo, 90YV09P0-M0NA00, but the OC'd 90YV09T1-M0NA00 is only $15 more; Gigabyte's WindForce/GV-N1070WF2OC-8GD is only another $10 beyond that)
-- GTX 1070TI: $470 for the MSI "DUKE" model (the only model available)
-- GTX 1080: $500 to $610 USD, depending on model (cheapest is ASUS Turbo, TURBO-GTX1080-8G, but the MSI Armor/GTX1080ARMR8GOC is only $20 more; EVGA's SC/08G-P4-6183-KR is only another $10 beyond that).
Now, you want to know the really crazy thing? I just compared the specs for their 1070TI Duke vs. MSI's Gaming X model. That 1070 has 3 modes: Silent Mode (lower Base clock than TI, but Boost/Memory clocks are identical), Gaming Mode (lower Base Clock, identical Memory Clock, but faster Boost Clock than the TI), & OC Mode (identical Base Clock, but Boost/Memory Clocks are faster than the TI). It's also a slightly shorter & lighter GPU, had identical HDCP/OpenGL/DirectX support, identical ports, identical GDDR5 RAM (amount & bus width). So, what kind of performance "boost" do I get for that extra $20?
Cycloid Torus
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Thorney
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Really nobody should buy a new GPU right now, they are only value if you need a whole new system. Everyone should resist the urge and make do and wait till prices return to normality or even better back to 9xx prices, 10xx were overpriced before the mining
Sounds like good advice to me!
Nobody would pay the prices that the "External Sellers" at Newegg are charging, much less what some sellers on EBay are charging for 1080 Ti cards. Yes, I know that 1080 Ti cards were not covered here, however, my bet is that there are scammers out there for every possible GPU model trying to take advantage of those who know no better - and the current GPU price explosion.
@Steve Is there any merit to the rumor that Nvidia is also forbidding their partners to bin the GPUs? this would make buying the more expensive AIB versions just a lottery on whether it will OC better than the ones with cheaper cooling on them.
I'm really confused as to who would benefit from something like this.
I'm really confused as to who would benefit from something like this.
Sausagemeat
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This is a competition fail from AMD really. Their 3 month old hyped up Vega chips have been outdone by Nvidia just releasing their now 17 month old Pascal chip that’s had a slightly leaner trim. This is bad because if Vega had been better then Nvidia would have been forced to bring Volta to market sooner. I blame AMD for this, NOT Nvidia. Now we are looking at a situation where if you want a new card now you have to buy last years chip with no new Silicon arriving for I reckon at least another 5/6 months (this includes me - I now have longer to wait as I tend to prefer buying silicon when it’s fresh).
Also, how much power does a Vega 64 consume!? With those numbers a CF system would need a 1200w power supply to be safe and I wouldn’t like hear it under load, especially with the hairdryer coolers AMD seem to think is still acceptable to attach to a GPU in 2017.
Also, how much power does a Vega 64 consume!? With those numbers a CF system would need a 1200w power supply to be safe and I wouldn’t like hear it under load, especially with the hairdryer coolers AMD seem to think is still acceptable to attach to a GPU in 2017.
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Steinwerks
So you blame AMD for Nvidia entering Intel-Xeon-like levels of market segmentation? Tell me how AMD is to compete if no one buys their products, just complain when they don't push Nvidia low enough for their budgets? I've seen that a ton, especially on Reddit. AMD developed one card and not a whole ecosystem. At least, it's not an ecosystem yet, but enough of AMD, it's not about them.
IMO this is just another move by Nvidia to stay in the news as much as possible, and pull all the money from the market they can (not that I blame them on that front, but it sure feels sleazy), especially with the holidays coming up. Sure it performs, and exactly as everyone expected it to.
Vulcanproject
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Nice gains when overclocked. Nvidia released this just because they could, not really because the market needs it. Just to make sure Vega 56 doesn't gain traction for gamers, the GTX1070ti deals with that. It seems a bit pointless 18 whole months after the GTX1070 and 1080.
Surely we're a lot closer to a new generation of video cards at this stage. I have a rule unless in extreme need don't buy 18 month old video cards at this sort of price. It's likely we're less than 6 months away from consumer Volta parts. They just won't tell us until January to make sure they sell existing cards for Christmas.
Surely we're a lot closer to a new generation of video cards at this stage. I have a rule unless in extreme need don't buy 18 month old video cards at this sort of price. It's likely we're less than 6 months away from consumer Volta parts. They just won't tell us until January to make sure they sell existing cards for Christmas.
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alansmith
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I'm currently waiting for prices to drop before I upgrade (from a 750Ti) but every time I look prices seem to edge even higher. I've read stuff about data mining being one cause but when does anyone think the prices will come down to a lower more sensible range. And who is making money from the inflated prices- is it the retailers?
Sausagemeat
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If AMD were actually competing, Nvidia wouldn’t be able to get away with what you are describing. You can’t blame a company for making money. Especially a large multi billion dollar faceless corporation. Competition keeps those entities in check and currently the other large multi billion dollar faceless corporation - AMD isn’t really competing anymore. So yes I do blame AMD. They need to take up some of the slack. If you think about it, all AMD need to do is make a card stronger than Nvidia’s and price it cheaper and with Nvidia’s prices that would still allow AMD to turn a large profit. Which in turn would cause Nvidia to respond with either a faster card or a better price.
You ask me how AMD is to compete if no one buys their product? You’ve got it the wrong way round. People will buy AMDs product if they compete. The answer is AMD needs to release a better card. Are they doing that? No. You can’t expect Nvidia to stop selling it’s product. You might want to argue that this is a bit of a chicken and egg situation but it’s not like we haven’t seen major established companies fall to low budget new entries before. AMD themselves were able to pull off such achievements against Intel in the CPU space in the early 2000s. So why can’t they do the same now against Nvidia? AMD is the company underperforming and hence why they have less money and is ultimately the reason why Nvidia’s prices are beginning to spiral out of control.
hahahanoobs
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Options are sleazy. Noted. SMH....
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Steinwerks
No, increasing market segmentation feels sleazy. Reading comprehension, please.
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Steinwerks
Given the statement in bold, I don't really know where to even start with this comment. AMD doesn't make products in the same numbers, and with lower numbers, prices rise. It's called economy of scale.
AMD designed a compute product, and used it for everything, as well as spending considerable resources putting features such as Infinity Fabric inside so it will be co-fabbed with the Zen architecture on Raven Ridge APU's. RTG is not Nvidia and AMD is pretty obviously not counting on the PC gaming segment anymore, even as they try and market some of their products that way. I don't blame them, gamers have been dumping on them for years now (just look at the Steam metrics). I don't blame Nvidia for being relentless in their development and dominant market position either, it's what any competitor with foresight should do. It doesn't bode well for us as consumers, though, does it?
hahahanoobs
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Oh we're talking about your feelings now. You're in the wrong place for that.
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Steinwerks
Yes, apparently I have chosen a poor tech forum where people can't actually have discussions regarding manufacturer behaviors. Duly noted, back to L1T with me.
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