Overpriced, just don't buy it, as long as peeps keep paying price will never go down again.
Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Review
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Can't buy the things that do not exist. None of these cards are to be found except from scalpers.
Yppah
Posts: 135 +64
? I don't get how you think or process information? It is called that because of its place within the group. I.e it is less powerful than the model above it and more powerful than the one below it. Your logic says that this was released first so should be the 5070. And the next card released should be called the 5070TI. But the TI denotes a more powerful model. Have you taken drugs? Do you think that because the 5090 was released 1st it should be called the 5060? And the lesser models that released after should called higher values? Tech might not be for you. To understand simple naming schemes. If thats beyond you, then you will struggle!
m3tavision
Posts: 1,733 +1,510
Planned.
AM5 system (with HERO board) is 2 years old and that both the XTX & 7700X were bought as PLACEHOLDERS.
Multi-boxing, I understood that my 5800x3D in my 7 year old AM4 board is sometimes faster than my 7700x in my (newer) AM5 system... but I wasn't worried about then, (as I build rigs to last 5~8 years of hard gaming), I was looking down the road.
That is what is so great about planning a build.
Think of all the poor sodz who were building un-upgradeable iNTEL 12th gen rigs, who wish they could drop a 9800x3D into their rigs today...
Dammit I hate this response. I hate everything you just said. Only because its True.
Its the same exact thing I was just talking to my oldest son about. IMO, if they hit 5070Ti (4070Ti Super Duper) in raster and get with in 10% in RT, I believe they will fall back to thier knee jerk response. Nvidia -$50.
LimyG
Posts: 202 +77
Good post. I share your sentiments.
You said it all but I will just elaborate on one thing.
Another apparently big problem for plenty of buyers, actually getting their new cards installed and running properly. Not considered until after purchase.
You mentioned drivers. Well, while their may be a lot of user error involved re: posts on the official NV forums, the complaints about awful drivers for a while, and especially for the new RTX 5xxx series are at an all time high. Quite a few people claim there cards simply don't work. (Likely user error), but many more bring up all kind of issues. Too many to ignore.
I know a lot of folks here know their stuff and will simply not experience major issues, or accept that drivers for a new launch will improve over time.
True, although driver complaints and problems seem to have caused many users problems throughout the RTX 4xxx series too.
I am talking about the NV Forums which includes people who should stick to consoles, people who know just enough, and not many advanced users.
But its the main place where anyone can go to discuss (99% complain and flame) NV driver releases.
The drivers are just as important as the hardware, and recently people are sticking with older versions.
As far as I know, those older, stable drivers are not an option for the RTX 5xxx.
Imagine spending over $2,000 and not being able to use it.
In my case, were I to purchase, say a third party OCed RTX 5090 (to me founders is pointless) I would wait at least 6 months, or a year, and read as many reviews, comparisons etc as possible.
Then I would do a deep dive into checking out if all the driver complaints are mainly user error, or genuine NV incompetance.
I wouldn't risk buying any RTX 5xxx now, and maybe never will considering the underwhelming performance increases.
Impossible to say though. I bet some of these cards can be overclocked to a totally different level compared to, "out the box," performance making it worth it.
But that requires solid drivers. Very expensive third party cards with custom PCB and cooling, plus time, patience and the know how (which isn't that tricky for GPU). It's not just a case of buying the card and being set for gaming heaven at 4k HD 240fps.
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Eldrach
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To summarize - If you have a 4070ti - don't upgrade, you gain virtually nothing.
But the fact remains - you can talk about the 40 series all you like - but it's gone. You don't have a choice between a 40 and a 50 series anymore if you don't already own a 40 series card.
So if you are looking to upgrade, you could scour the "used market" for a deal for a 4080 super or 4070ti super (doubt you'll find one) or just suck it up and realize that this is it now..You can choose between expensive overpriced, or ridicilously expensive and overpriced in order to get a GPU in the upper tier.
The situation will change, probably around october / november..but until then - the pricepoint will be very very high
But the fact remains - you can talk about the 40 series all you like - but it's gone. You don't have a choice between a 40 and a 50 series anymore if you don't already own a 40 series card.
So if you are looking to upgrade, you could scour the "used market" for a deal for a 4080 super or 4070ti super (doubt you'll find one) or just suck it up and realize that this is it now..You can choose between expensive overpriced, or ridicilously expensive and overpriced in order to get a GPU in the upper tier.
The situation will change, probably around october / november..but until then - the pricepoint will be very very high
Everybody knows that there are people who wont buy a 5090 because of pricing lol, everyone wont shut up about it. But many will to the point where it will sell out. So the prices are not going to come down. No matter how hard reviewers and tech commenters scream, Nvidia have no reason to sell their products for less. If anything, they will increase the prices if demand is as high as it appears to be.
We don't know if they have bad drivers because we don't get proper product reviews. Its literally all just average frame rates and how much each frame costs followed by a rant about the company and its pricing. I really do wonder why some of our beloved reviewers are doing the job, they seem to hate the companies they are reviewing products for.
So many people seem to have it in for Nvidia because they dont want to pay their prices that I dont really trust anyone in forums. Especially the NV forum, ive been there and its full of bulshit. So is reddit. I imagine that actually you can just buy this thing, plug it in and get good results though. Usually reviewers mention if you cant do that at least. Maybe the odd black screen or crash but its a brand new card, they are always like that.
From what I gather it's a ****ing awesome graphics card. The only "problem" is the pricing but thats not Nvidias problem. Its mine and I wont pay the $2000 that Nvidia want for it so I wont get one. But thats ok by me because I dont feel that Nvidia owes me anything.
Everybody knows that there are people who wont buy a 5090 because of pricing lol, everyone wont shut up about it. But many will to the point where it will sell out. So the prices are not going to come down. No matter how hard reviewers and tech commenters scream, Nvidia have no reason to sell their products for less. If anything, they will increase the prices if demand is as high as it appears to be.
We don't know if they have bad drivers because we don't get proper product reviews. Its literally all just average frame rates and how much each frame costs followed by a rant about the company and its pricing. I really do wonder why some of our beloved reviewers are doing the job, they seem to hate the companies they are reviewing products for.
So many people seem to have it in for Nvidia because they dont want to pay their prices that I dont really trust anyone in forums. Especially the NV forum, ive been there and its full of bulshit. So is reddit. I imagine that actually you can just buy this thing, plug it in and get good results though. Usually reviewers mention if you cant do that at least. Maybe the odd black screen or crash but its a brand new card, they are always like that.
From what I gather it's a ****ing awesome graphics card. The only "problem" is the pricing but thats not Nvidias problem. Its mine and I wont pay the $2000 that Nvidia want for it so I wont get one. But thats ok by me because I dont feel that Nvidia owes me anything.
LimyG
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Yes, nothing I said disputes anything you said. I agree, just put differently.
One thing I should have clarified about my opinion is about the drivers. What you said is true.
That is why I mentioned waiting for at least six months, then doing some solid research about the topic. (Solid research does NOT mean looking at the NV forums lol. You mentioned reddit. Now that is, at times, good place among a few others)
Of course the prices will not come down. Usually the best AIB are by MSI (Suprim) and Asrock (the Stix gaming OC cards) which are Way above the $2,000 base price, which as you mentioned isn't ever going to come down. Likely the other way.
I guess a top 3rd party card would be closer to $3000, if available.
Currently I have no plans to buy one, and yeah, NV can get away with those prices, so as a business it makes sense. Its after all simple supply demand, and a kind of "got to have it," mentallity among some consumers which mean prices can only go up.
There is a small, very small chance that I would get one from AsRock, or MSI, but only after extensive research, and probably not until very late this year, more likely early next year.
It would have to check all the boxes, including at least a sense that it would provide great gaming for the next 4 - 5 years. Kind of doubt I'll make any purchase this current gen.
Different topic, but I wonder if there will be an RTX5080ti, or Super? I think the days of those later in any gen card, almost matching the top XX90 cards are gone. A shame.
I currently have the Asrock Strix gaming OC RTX 3080ti. It even allows 450watt which is over the 400watt of founders and most other 3rd party. The out the box OC is impressive, but the great thing is that with AB it can run well with very large OCs.
In fact, I can still play any game with it (1440p) at high settings, but without ray tracing.
I' ll probably stick with it until/if I get a 4k OLED monitor.
But I am under no illusion of the prices. It's only going one way. UP!
Cheers.
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I dont think its a "got to have it" mentality thats fueling demand for this card. I think its just normal gamers who have a bit of money to spend and want a graphics card. In fact the only people I know personally who are buying this card or have attempted to buy it are men in their late 30s who never stopped gaming. Now they have a bit of income to spare. They arent stupid and they dont have the "got to have it" mentality..
I think these are good products that I would like to own. I personally won't condemn anyone that chooses to spend their money on one. Or assume they only bought it so they can brag about having the latest. Theres no evidence for any of that and claiming this is happening is just unnecessarily spiteful towards the buyers.
On the west coast of the USA where I live, salaries are rising quickly. So many people have money now that $2000 isnt really that outrageous. Its not out of reach for a lot of people. And I see so many people here getting into other hobbies like overlanding and will often spend more than $2000 on a fresh set of tires alone. Even my monthly rent payments is considerably more than a 5090. I think perspective is importand and I think a lot of the issue comes from outside of America where there hasnt been salary growth like we have seen here.
What we need is a new low tier. We have great products on the high end but when it comes to the low end, say the $300 price point we have awful options. If we had good value at the low end I dont think the community would be so upset with Nvidias pricing.
magisys
Posts: 57 +41
Can't really understand the end of the article.
Nvidia is now an american market focused company in respect of gaming business?
Salaries growth is a chimera in a lot of world country. In Italy since last year the median salary is decreased, and is not even close do 2000 USD per month, most of the salarymen here take 1600 Eur per month.
Nvidia is now an american market focused company in respect of gaming business?
Salaries growth is a chimera in a lot of world country. In Italy since last year the median salary is decreased, and is not even close do 2000 USD per month, most of the salarymen here take 1600 Eur per month.
LimyG
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I agree. I am currently working in Japan, and do earn a fair salary as an expat, but there has been virtually no salary growth here.
To be fair, inflation remained around (an average) 0% for decades. It's just in the last 18 months that inflation has finally started. That's what the government wants. There were even several years of defalation. Sounds nice, but shrinks GDP.
Currently salaries have not really increased, at all. By global standards inflation in Japan is very low still, under 2.5% except a few stand outs, like gas, water, electricity and fresh veg fruit.
For people like us though, it's not good. For years pretty much tech products made in Japan decreased. Now that trend has ended.
Of course NV products are converted from US dollar. Seeing as the exchange rate is really unfavourable, $2,000 in real terms in Japan is more than in the USA.
Someone mentioned above that salaries on the West Coast of the USA ,
"are rising quickly."
"Rising quickly." that's great if true. But as I work in finance, I know that salary growth in some sectors of the USA is indeed rising. But not quickly, and most people dont' really feel it, yet.
It is simply not true, that salary growth is rising quickly, and what defines quickly?
Granted, there are always certain sectors, at certain times that have a boom in salary growth, but as a generalization it's nonsense.
Not that any of that has anything much to do with NV. They do what they can get away with. Fair enough, that's business.
If salary growth was "rising quickly," then NV could have charged more. At least, in whatever area this wonderful thing is supposedly happening.
Seems to me there is nothing surprising about NV pricing.
Also people who are in there 30s 40s 50s or more still game, and many are likely to be able to afford $2000.
In my case probably won't buy this gen, but that will change if/when the top 3rd party makers (MSI, AsRock for instance) release versions of all RTX 5xxx cards, especially the 5090, that really do improve significantly above, vanilla founders editon. It's got nothing to do with the price at the very top end. Always going to be expensive, but expensive is relative.
Actually, just read a summary of the MSI Suprim RTX 5090. Starting to get interesting.
Going to read up on AsRocks latest and greatest after this. I still think it's wise to wait though.
Again, nothing to do with price, that's only going up, but there are kinks that need sorting out.
Did anyone read about Zotac's offering which is actually not the full chip, to summarize performance is 10% less that vanilla. Google for details. Interesting stuff, to be aware of.
Then we have the same old melting power connectors again. Just google it. Shoddy drivers, and I have no idea about the next, but is QC up to task? For drivers it isn't.
I'll drop 3k for a really excellent bit of engineering. Or on a different track the 5070ti vanilla really isn't that awful, AIBs could improve that. For now I'll just watch the show go on.
TBH, talking about price and/or salary growth pertaining to the very top tier card, the RTX 5090, is pointless. It's an expensive product. A 10%+ salary increase doesn't move a person from being in the, I can afford that, or that's to much for me bracket at all.
In my case, if a really excellent 3rd party card, that details - in great detail all the components names, manufacturers of cooling and PCB parts etc etc, VRMs and more, then pretty much only the chip itself licenced by NV will remain the same. All the other supporting parts will push it real world (not just benchmark) above the founders. I wouldn't expect much change from 3k.
Thing is as of now, I'm not sure such a card exists. NV drivers and software don't help matters either.
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LimyG
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Yeah, certainly for 4xxx to 5xxx you make a good point!
MasterMace
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LimyG
Posts: 202 +77
That, is a very good suggestion!
systemBuilder
Posts: 28 +38
This is an outstanding point! The whole idea of sending out influencer review cards is super duper corrupt! It should be illegal to post an influencer review without you having to go to the store and actually buy the card you are reviewing! We should pass a law making it illegal to send out courtesy review cards! The only thing a manufacturer might be able to send out would be a credit VOUCHER that can be used to pay for the video card at a REAL store at the MSRP ONLY - otherwise the credit voucher won't work!
I actually got in trouble with my employer for sending candy to a congressman who played with my kids all lunchtime long in the cafeteria below the Capitol building. I was so impressed with Emmanuel Cleaver of Kansas City! They passed a law making contributions to candidates illegal which meant to buy a $50 box of candy for his staff was illegal!
If my Candy gift is illegal then these ***** manufacturers sending out review cards for free SHOULD BE ILLEGAL ITS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST !!!
captaincranky
Posts: 20,144 +9,151
Steve is always absolutely brilliant. I don't even game and I still hang on his every word. Ya gotta listen really fast though.....Wowee.! He says about as much in fifteen minutes, as other reviewers say in an hour.
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