NASA outlines three-phase plan to send astronauts to Mars

Good example of darwinism. If you are so lazy that you can't even grow enough veggies to feed yourself, you don't deserve the place in human gene-pool => please die faster.
So, the huge number of people in the world who go hungry because of drought and other climate disasters, war (causing agriculture collapse because of population displacement), and multinational economics leading to over-grazing/-cropping, and soil erosion/deforestation is all because of laziness? One might think that such a reductive over simplification is a sign of laziness in itself.

If you think that "laziness" is a chief cause of famine, you are either lazy in researching the actual facts, or willfully ignorant. Maybe you should assess your contribution - using your own metrics, to the human gene pool.
 
I can't actually believe that some people think that stopping a journey to mars is going to solve any hunger problem in the world, actually, it would be amazing if USA used the money necessary to make space exploration more ambitious instead of investing so much money in war and weapons.
 
How much this will cost the Tax payer? why the always try to find live in other planet when in this planet there is million of people dying of hungry .

Good example of darwinism. If you are so lazy that you can't even grow enough veggies to feed yourself, you don't deserve the place in human gene-pool => please die faster. As a bonus feature, this will help also with the overpopulation problem. Sadly not fast enough.
well we will need a new planet after they blow this one up or cern lets all the demons in lol
 
The money for this should be spent on stuff that's actually useful, no?

Because it's completely wasted right? People like you are the ones that hold progress back. If you fail to understand how fundamental and important space travel is, then you shouldn't be on a tech forum.
 
If you fail to understand how fundamental and important space travel is
The thing about that is we don't know how to travel and are already planning trips. How stupid is that? You might as well be planning a hike across the ocean, not even bothering to build a boat.
 
The thing about that is we don't know how to travel and are already planning trips. How stupid is that? You might as well be planning a hike across the ocean, not even bothering to build a boat.

There are huge amount of man hours dedicated on working around the very issues of getting out of our little "space bubble". We can travel and we know how, we knew how for the last 50 years. The problem is, is it efficient use of the materials?

We make plans so that we work towards them. Private companies such as Space X, ARCA, Virgin Galactic and alike spend billions per year on improving the tech. Why bother? Because they made the plans and see the bigger picture (money / other) for the foreseeable future.

Countless amounts of tech came as a byproduct of Space Travel that we use in our everyday lives, LEDs, Chemical Detection systems, Artificial Limbs, Fire Retardant tech and probably hundreds of other technologies.

With the mindset of "well let's not bother, we don't have the knowledge/tech/ideas" we would be decades/hundreds of years behind.

Lastly, just because you are not aware of something does not mean it exists. In other words, I am sure there are countless of plans for other ways to get to far planets, possible theoretical technologies etc, etc...

Space Exploration is extremely important. If anyone thinks otherwise, well, not sure what they have in their heads to think that (as rude as it sounds).
 
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The money for this should be spent on stuff that's actually useful, no?

Because it's completely wasted right? People like you are the ones that hold progress back. If you fail to understand how fundamental and important space travel is, then you shouldn't be on a tech forum.

Relax, I was referring to the idea of people living on Mars. That's not going to work. But if your opinion is different on that too, so be it. I just think we should be using the money elsewhere. As for exploration and science, obviously that's important and worthwhile.
 
Relax, I was referring to the idea of people living on Mars. That's not going to work. But if your opinion is different on that too, so be it. I just think we should be using the money elsewhere. As for exploration and science, obviously that's important and worthwhile.

Sure, but no reason not to develop technologies to allow that. These technologies could sprout to useful tech that can be used here on Earth. Little bit of a hostile post from my end. I just get tools on Facebook post some oddly bizarre stuff, whether conspiracy or in regards to tech.
 
There are huge amount of man hours dedicated on working around the very issues of getting out of our little "space bubble". We can travel and we know how, we knew how for the last 50 years. The problem is, is it efficient use of the materials?
You can't be serious! Space Exploration? We know how to travel. Are you listening to yourself? Going to the moon for a day or two is one thing. Traveling elsewhere in our solar system or out of it for that matter is completely another topic as far as traveling. Sure I can swim across a pond, but I wouldn't even attempt to swim across the ocean. Just because theoretically it can be done, doesn't mean it should always be attempted.

As long as we are limited to the way we travel, I will always think of space exploration as a joke.
 
You wrong...do a search to find all the tech that came out of the space program
Damn straight! I doubt you can watch more than 5 minutes of "As seen on TV" infomercials for products without the phrase "space age" being mentioned
 
You can't be serious! Space Exploration? We know how to travel. Are you listening to yourself? Going to the moon for a day or two is one thing. Traveling elsewhere in our solar system or out of it for that matter is completely another topic as far as traveling. Sure I can swim across a pond, but I wouldn't even attempt to swim across the ocean. Just because theoretically it can be done, doesn't mean it should always be attempted.

As long as we are limited to the way we travel, I will always think of space exploration as a joke.

I am very serious, it's not that hard to Google and Youtube few of the planned methods on traveling further than our moon. I never said traveling out of our Solar system but within (Space Exploration does not equal to Deep Space, ie past our Solar System or far end of it). Whether it's safe and financially feasible is irrelevant (well other than financials holding us back). Have you heard of the multiple technologies available that we can utilize already and some being finalized before 2020?

Solar Sails are one way to travel, with it's drawbacks being quite apparent as you get farther away from our Sun.

"doesn't mean it should always be attempted." well other than most of our advances being based on theoretical and practical tests ...

Once again, the analogies just don't make sense. I see what you are getting at, but once again. We have the technologies to travel to (let say Mars and other planets within the Solar System).

Do you instantly think of Star Trek when someone mentions Space Exploration?

So once again, to cover my *** before flaming.

I did not say traveling from point A to point B in matter hours and outside our own Solar system, but we have the tech available to let say get to Mars and with incentive, I wouldn't be surprised if we were able to have a return trip to multiple planets available within 20 years (just a logical guess).

Also this might be useful - http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/
 
Damn straight! I doubt you can watch more than 5 minutes of "As seen on TV" infomercials for products without the phrase "space age" being mentioned
you must be one of those still paying for your education in your momma's basement...watch a lot of good TV eh?
 
Damn straight! I doubt you can watch more than 5 minutes of "As seen on TV" infomercials for products without the phrase "space age" being mentioned
you must be one of those still paying for your education in your momma's basement...watch a lot of good TV eh?
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Well that's unnecessary.
Not if EClyde is going for his 24 Hours of Superiority token from his Forum Warriors Anonymous meeting.
 
The biggest problem with getting to Mars is that it is a non-profit frontier. It will be a great mark to make, but with benefit of little to none for the kind of problems humans and heading towards - global warming, over-population, resources depletion.

For Starters, if it when humans reach for the stars that we become innovative and inventive; for an example, things like Baby formula, Water filtration devices, padded soles in shoes, computers were thanks to the innovation and invention that allowed for man to walk on the moon just imagine what can be invented with the prospect of a colony. Also if we successfully colonise Mars we can start to put a dent in the over-population problem you mention.

The mission to the moon in effect; for the first time, people saw the whole of the Earth. Photos of the globe were popular, and changed the way we thought of our home planet. Seeing all of it at once made people realise how small and fragile it is, kick-starting the environmental movement. People began to think of the planet as something that needed to be protected and saved. Through a mission to Mars humanity may discover cleaner and more powerful forms and or sources of energy to sustain us in to the future.

I can understand, for example, the great expense made for the big hadron collider, but even that thing seems a lot more down to earth an endeavour than the travel to Mars, which in itself will cost a lot more, but give almost nothing in return, if anything at all.

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is an amazing piece of scientific equipment without a doubt, but it cannot compare marvels and knowledge that we as a species can gain from a manned mission to Mars. It is a pity that money seems to always be raised when talking about these things when all other points of discussion are exhausted. It would be nice to live in a world where money did not exist. [/QUOTE]

It seems that all the craziness about space exploration came to us from the cold war when concurring the space first was a big doctrine pushed by the opposing governments. And I see no good reason for us to continue paying big time for that ill sentiment.

That may be the case, but governments competing to advance humanity as a whole is surely better than a nuclear war that may very well have prevented us as a species from even being able to converse about these topics. And again with the money...

If we can't make good on our home planet, we won't do it elsewhere. There is a good saying - you can't cure a soul simply by carrying the body from one place to another.

Let’s not forget it is all about broadening our knowledge and understanding. sometime people need to step out from the box and gain a larger view of life before they can focus on fixing the problems, I would like to draw your attention to my second comment; Had humanity had not gone to the moon, our perception of the planet and its fragility would not have changed. It is due to this that the whole environmental movement started moreover unless we challenge ourselves and push for the unknown our species will stagnate and we will not have the knowledge to fix our problems.

Let all not forget what Francis Bacon said "Knowledge is Power" if we humans don't push to learn and better ourselves and our understanding of the world and universe around us we will ultimately not have the power to even save ourselves if we needed to into the future.
 
@Marlak

Thanks for the long answer, but if you really believe in this:
if we successfully colonise Mars we can start to put a dent in the over-population problem
then you are a dreamer, because this is nothing short of a prayer. But it won't happen.

Mars colonization will be so expensive, and the cost of human live will be so cheap, the governments will sooner see people starve and die by the millions rather than do anything about it. This is the cause of nature. We will be crossing over 10 billions within the next decade, and things will get hairier than ever. The chances are the Mars project may run broke before the mission happens.

Look at the real world, and think on it ;)
 
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@Marlak

Thanks for the long answer, but if you really believe in this:
then you are a dreamer, because this is nothing short of a prayer. But it won't happen.

Mars colonization will be so expensive, and the cost of human live will be so cheap, the governments will sooner see people starve and die by the millions rather than do anything about it. This is the cause of nature. We will be crossing over 10 billions within the next decade, and things will get hairier than ever. The chances are the Mars project may run broke before the mission happens.

Look at the real world, and think on it ;)
with out offence, you must be an economist; to be so cynical, I truly feel sorry for you.
Maybe this project is just what we need to start to make a difference, succeed or fail the point is we grow and learn and not only better ourselves but our species.

Rather than get drawn into a lengthy debate, I will leave you with this quote.

“Dreamers are mocked as impractical. The truth is they are the most practical, as their innovations lead to progress and a better way of life for all of us.”
―Robin S. Sharma
 
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