NASA's Perseverance rover lands safely on the surface of Mars

Aranarth

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I thought about it a lot. I think there is a major agreement about HOW MUCH goes toward poor. And for as long as the majority says, x amount of dollars and some food stamp money is enough, nobody will care to give them more. Seriously, of all the people in just your city, how many do charity, attempting to change the lives of the poorest, I'd have to guess as many as there are in mine, not too many.
When nobody cares about a specific problem, it can go away by a miracle, by someone's hard work (which nobody will know about if this is our case because nobody cares about poor), or it will stay the same.
We as a society do not care or do not want poor to get more regardless of what personally each one of us wants.
There is a another problem though. You give more money to the people who don't work, and suddenly those who receive about the same start question themselves why they even work, why they pay taxes which pays for the some of the people that have the ability to work but wont. They wont do dirty jobs, they wont work in areas not many people wanna work at all.
So no, you cant simply give more money to the poorest. There are f&^%ing too many who work in this country receiving the very minimum. And improving the lives of the poorest means you have to reassign everything up to the level where people make decent wages.
That is my opinion at least.

Free market capitalism (not crony or "western" capitalism) has done more to lift people out of poverty than ANY OTHER form of capitalism. I should point out that "capitalism" is the use of capital in your economy which means that if you're really paying attention then socialism, marxism, etc are also capitalism. This is why I'm being specific about what form of capitalism I'm talking about.

Every time the government has gotten involved to fix things it has made things worse. We have repeatedly tried to fix the poor and instead we have more poor and more rich and a smaller middle class.
 

toooooot

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Free market capitalism (not crony or "western" capitalism) has done more to lift people out of poverty than ANY OTHER form of capitalism. I should point out that "capitalism" is the use of capital in your economy which means that if you're really paying attention then socialism, marxism, etc are also capitalism. This is why I'm being specific about what form of capitalism I'm talking about.

Every time the government has gotten involved to fix things it has made things worse. We have repeatedly tried to fix the poor and instead we have more poor and more rich and a smaller middle class.
I wrote a 2 page long reply but then decided to delete it :D
I both agree and disagree with you because when did ever specific action of specific countries or people resulted in specific outcomes?
World always changes. When changes are peaceful, entire humanity sooner or later benefits from them, like cheap medicine which can save lives that would be lost without it. When they are not peaceful, the select few benefit when the rest lose .
Greed does not have limits. Free capitalism needs limits to limit it.
Just not the paranoia of uprooting and building a beautiful new world, anything but that. That has been proven to bring more deaths than anything else judging by human history.
Idk, moderate rules and regulations for a moderate humanity that refuses the radical opinions and solutions?
 

Aranarth

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I wrote a 2 page long reply but then decided to delete it :D
I both agree and disagree with you because when did ever specific action of specific countries or people resulted in specific outcomes?
World always changes. When changes are peaceful, entire humanity sooner or later benefits from them, like cheap medicine which can save lives that would be lost without it. When they are not peaceful, the select few benefit when the rest lose .
Greed does not have limits. Free capitalism needs limits to limit it.
Just not the paranoia of uprooting and building a beautiful new world, anything but that. That has been proven to bring more deaths than anything else judging by human history.
Idk, moderate rules and regulations for a moderate humanity that refuses the radical opinions and solutions?

Greed does have a limit, the limit is total available resources. Once you have gobble up all the food you die.

As always THIS IS COMPLICATED. You cannot distill this down to a MEME!
 

wiyosaya

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Don't underestimate a mans dream, he & the teams have already propelled space industry further than ever before. It's the sheer willpower of driving forward. This applies to everything in life. Sure for now, it's all just a dream but it's about the dream one has, a vision, that counts. Passion and work ethic are key.
Because Musk's "Starship" tests have been utterly successful 🤣 https://techcrunch.com/2021/02/02/s...-great-heights-and-again-explodes-on-landing/
 

Mister_K

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Because being on the frontier isn't without failures. Data gathering occurs through crashes too and you really want to have those crashes ;) Perseverance makes for success.

I just do not understand the people who are slating Space X. Sure Musk loves to make ridiculous predictions and his social media presence is only hurting him with immature tweets, but the geeza is literally one of the top 10 humans that is propelling our whole civilisation forward.
 

Aranarth

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I just do not understand the people who are slating Space X. Sure Musk loves to make ridiculous predictions and his social media presence is only hurting him with immature tweets, but the geeza is literally one of the top 10 humans that is propelling our whole civilisation forward.

I like Savage's statement that "failure is always an option", Also "I reject your reality and substitute my own. " Being able to fail, which NASA cannot, means you can think outside the box.
 

Mister_K

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I like Savage's statement that "failure is always an option", Also "I reject your reality and substitute my own. " Being able to fail, which NASA cannot, means you can think outside the box.

NASA is in a corner holding onto the small fraction of funding they do receive. Too many failures and bureaucracy would ruin what they get. Shame really...
 

wiyosaya

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Because being on the frontier isn't without failures. Data gathering occurs through crashes too and you really want to have those crashes ;) Perseverance makes for success.

I just do not understand the people who are slating Space X. Sure Musk loves to make ridiculous predictions and his social media presence is only hurting him with immature tweets, but the geeza is literally one of the top 10 humans that is propelling our whole civilisation forward.
The thing is, if you look further that Musk's narcissism ;), you will find that it is NASA funding that is propelling Musk forward into space, especially, and it was a change in NASA policy that propelled that funding to Musk. https://www.usagovpolicy.com/nasa-private-enterprise-enter-new-era/
If you look even more closely, you will find that all the older, more mature players are still very much in the game. It is all NASA driven - make no mistake. https://www.scarsdalenews.com/opini...cle_76ddede6-b25b-11ea-b520-4f95ff31b841.html
Without NASA to hide behind, Musk would appear just as he is - an ordinary human sucking wind and passing gas - lots of gas.