NASA's Perseverance rover lands safely on the surface of Mars

Shawn Knight

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What just happened? NASA’s Perseverance Mars rover has safely landed on the Red Planet following a 203-day trip in which it traveled a mind boggling 293 million miles to its new forever home. Shortly after touching down, Perseverance sent back the first image it captured on Mars, from one of the rover’s hazard cameras.

The suspenseful landing unfolded live on YouTube yesterday afternoon as millions of viewers from around the world tuned in to witness the historic event. Any number of things could have went wrong and caused the whole mission to fail but fortunately, luck was on NASA’s side as all of the necessary sequences went off without a hitch.

NASA’s latest rover and its accompanying helicopter, Ingenuity, launched from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida on July 30, 2020. The 2,263-pound rover is about the size of an SUV and will peruse Mars’ Jezero Crater in search of signs of ancient microbial life. Perseverance will even collect soil samples for a future return mission.

When it is all said and done, NASA will have invested roughly $2.7 billion into the project, making it the seventh most expensive planetary exploration program in NASA’s history.

Images courtesy NASA

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QuantumPhysics

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It's a tremendous achievement.

We can land a rover almost 300 million miles away... but can't feed our starving, build homes for the homeless or clean Flint Michigan's water.

Say we do colonize MARS... My guess is, we'll end up exactly like "Total Recall" and "Babylon 5" with wars on Mars, people starving for Oxygen and Starfury Thunderbolts bombing Mars Dome.
 

Mister_K

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We can land a rover almost 300 million miles away... but can't feed our starving, build homes for the homeless or clean Flint Michigan's water.

The exploration of our solar system and generally space endeavours may in future benefit the ones in need here on Earth. It has been like this since the space race and even before.

Is it efficient for 100% resources to go on 1 cause? No, however it is efficient tackling multiple problems at the same time, especially now that there is billions of us. Some people study astrophysics others rocket engineering, some microbiology and others go into humanitarian fields. I don't think that rocket engineer is going to be helping much when it comes to building houses for the homeless.

Point of colonising Mars to improve our non-immediate human survival rate is cool and all but what's more important is establishing a Moon base and bases closer to the Asteroid belt. For one we can potentially mine those Asteroids (if its efficient enough) and two, do way more scientific research than here on Earth without various interruptions from man made signals.

A base on Mars and base on one of Jupiters moons should be our goal. Additionally base on Moon.

Both Musk and Bezos are right. We need to look at "fortifying" Earth and the Moon (Bezos) but also explore deep into space (Musk).
 

JKnight

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The exploration of our solar system and generally space endeavours may in future benefit the ones in need here on Earth. It has been like this since the space race and even before.

Is it efficient for 100% resources to go on 1 cause? No, however it is efficient tackling multiple problems at the same time, especially now that there is billions of us. Some people study astrophysics others rocket engineering, some microbiology and others go into humanitarian fields. I don't think that rocket engineer is going to be helping much when it comes to building houses for the homeless.

Point of colonising Mars to improve our non-immediate human survival rate is cool and all but what's more important is establishing a Moon base and bases closer to the Asteroid belt. For one we can potentially mine those Asteroids (if its efficient enough) and two, do way more scientific research than here on Earth without various interruptions from man made signals.

A base on Mars and base on one of Jupiters moons should be our goal. Additionally base on Moon.

Both Musk and Bezos are right. We need to look at "fortifying" Earth and the Moon (Bezos) but also explore deep into space (Musk).

Mankind was born on Earth ... it was never meant to die here.

From Interstellar
 

toooooot

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It's a tremendous achievement.

We can land a rover almost 300 million miles away... but can't feed our starving, build homes for the homeless or clean Flint Michigan's water.

Say we do colonize MARS... My guess is, we'll end up exactly like "Total Recall" and "Babylon 5" with wars on Mars, people starving for Oxygen and Starfury Thunderbolts bombing Mars Dome.
I thought about it a lot. I think there is a major agreement about HOW MUCH goes toward poor. And for as long as the majority says, x amount of dollars and some food stamp money is enough, nobody will care to give them more. Seriously, of all the people in just your city, how many do charity, attempting to change the lives of the poorest, I'd have to guess as many as there are in mine, not too many.
When nobody cares about a specific problem, it can go away by a miracle, by someone's hard work (which nobody will know about if this is our case because nobody cares about poor), or it will stay the same.
We as a society do not care or do not want poor to get more regardless of what personally each one of us wants.
There is a another problem though. You give more money to the people who don't work, and suddenly those who receive about the same start question themselves why they even work, why they pay taxes which pays for the some of the people that have the ability to work but wont. They wont do dirty jobs, they wont work in areas not many people wanna work at all.
So no, you cant simply give more money to the poorest. There are f&^%ing too many who work in this country receiving the very minimum. And improving the lives of the poorest means you have to reassign everything up to the level where people make decent wages.
That is my opinion at least.
 

3volv3d

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It's a tremendous achievement.

We can land a rover almost 300 million miles away... but can't feed our starving, build homes for the homeless or clean Flint Michigan's water.

Say we do colonize MARS... My guess is, we'll end up exactly like "Total Recall" and "Babylon 5" with wars on Mars, people starving for Oxygen and Starfury Thunderbolts bombing Mars Dome.

Governments do not care about their people. Only controlling them enough to make them work, to tax. Death and taxes. You want a fairer society? You need to change the entire system and infrastructure of a race that thinks every bit of progression we have gained thus far is for the better. We have known for ages we needed to fix our ways or find a new home. We have done practically nothing. Recycling and renewable energies are still in infancy, and electric cars are 100% a pointless venture.
As far as starving/poor families, it's part of their system.Crushed areas, are cheaper to land develop on. Cause we need to keep covering this green and blue planet in grey concrete and tower blocks.
The rich are willing to die rich. The world will probably see an Elysium or Matrix before we see the Total Recall.
I mean I already feel we are just batteries for the evil machine. Isn't that what the relevance was?
Don't you think it strange to keep allowing your citizens to have more and more children when resources are less and less, that our jobs are pointless, making stuff that is just stuff, pointless trash, that wastes, time, energy, resources. But it's a job, it's money. It's, a broken pointless system.
 

netman

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It's a tremendous achievement.

We can land a rover almost 300 million miles away... but can't feed our starving, build homes for the homeless or clean Flint Michigan's water.

Say we do colonize MARS... My guess is, we'll end up exactly like "Total Recall" and "Babylon 5" with wars on Mars, people starving for Oxygen and Starfury Thunderbolts bombing Mars Dome.

We spend billions and explore Mars but draw our attention away from Planet Earth which is totally broken...! Fix the Planet Earth First...! That is where we live...!
 

Vulcanproject

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I hope one day someone can fly on down there and visit these probes. Surveyor 3 on the moon was a target for Apollo 12. It must have been pretty cool to waltze on over to a probe that was sent a few years before.

I wonder if we will reach the point where all these probes being sent to Mars look quaint. Like the documented extreme difficulty of the first powered flights look almost comical to our eyes today. A century later everyone cruises around on 400 tonne planes that fly 5000 miles like it is nothing, because it is now nothing.

These early 21st century humans struggling to put little rovers on Mars, with enormous effort and great difficulty. Nice to imagine in another 100 odd years people may be sauntering about and visiting those sites as a historical attraction like it's a holiday.
 

Lew Zealand

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I hope one day someone can fly on down there and visit these probes. Surveyor 3 on the moon was a target for Apollo 12. It must have been pretty cool to waltze on over to a probe that was sent a few years before.

I wonder if we will reach the point where all these probes being sent to Mars look quaint. Like the documented extreme difficulty of the first powered flights look almost comical to our eyes today. A century later everyone cruises around on 400 tonne planes that fly 5000 miles like it is nothing, because it is now nothing.

These early 21st century humans struggling to put little rovers on Mars, with enormous effort and great difficulty. Nice to imagine in another 100 odd years people may be sauntering about and visiting those sites as a historical attraction like it's a holiday.

I think about those types of things in terms of risk/return. There was tons of risk in early flight and it took a few decades to realize what could simply be done better from the air (parts of warfare, for one). Later on came civilian travel, becoming ever cheaper so more people could afford it and now visit faraway places for the cost of a few months pay or even less.

But Space. There aren't any amenities on the other end. Even 120 years ago at the birth of flight, there were always people at the other end of your trip who could feed and house you. Yeah, space doesn't work that way and won't for the forseeable future, because the cost is beyond ridiculous.

For Space Tourism to work, the infrastructure needs to be built at the other end first. Who the heck is gonna pay for that?
 

yRaz

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I love how everyone is complaining about how much money we're spending on this project, we could have over 200 of these for what the US will spend on it's military budget in one year. If people want to start talking about how we should be using that money for humanitarian things here on earth I think you're a bit off....
 

wiyosaya

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I love how everyone is complaining about how much money we're spending on this project, we could have over 200 of these for what the US will spend on it's military budget in one year. If people want to start talking about how we should be using that money for humanitarian things here on earth I think you're a bit off....
Absolutely! Every time the cost of a NASA project is mentioned in a TS Story, comments such as these leak into the discussion.
I think about those types of things in terms of risk/return. There was tons of risk in early flight and it took a few decades to realize what could simply be done better from the air (parts of warfare, for one). Later on came civilian travel, becoming ever cheaper so more people could afford it and now visit faraway places for the cost of a few months pay or even less.

But Space. There aren't any amenities on the other end. Even 120 years ago at the birth of flight, there were always people at the other end of your trip who could feed and house you. Yeah, space doesn't work that way and won't for the forseeable future, because the cost is beyond ridiculous.

For Space Tourism to work, the infrastructure needs to be built at the other end first. Who the heck is gonna pay for that?
Space exploration has brought significant innovation to the modern world. It inspires people to learn science, and to invent. Perhaps have a look at links like this https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/infographics/20-inventions-we-wouldnt-have-without-space-travel
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...971, the average weight of breathing... More
Don't you think it strange to keep allowing your citizens to have more and more children when resources are less and less, that our jobs are pointless, making stuff that is just stuff, pointless trash, that wastes, time, energy, resources. But it's a job, it's money. It's, a broken pointless system.
Has not allowing more than one child worked for China? I think not. I agree the system is broken, however, IMO, the system will never find a way to fix itself while individuals have the ability to amass more money than many small countries.

Both Musk and Bezos are right. We need to look at "fortifying" Earth and the Moon (Bezos) but also explore deep into space (Musk).
When Musk starts his colony on Mars, get back to us. Musk is lost in his dream, as I see it. IMO, The endeavor is too expensive even for him.
 
The exploration of our solar system and generally space endeavours may in future benefit the ones in need here on Earth. It has been like this since the space race and even before.

Is it efficient for 100% resources to go on 1 cause? No, however it is efficient tackling multiple problems at the same time, especially now that there is billions of us. Some people study astrophysics others rocket engineering, some microbiology and others go into humanitarian fields. I don't think that rocket engineer is going to be helping much when it comes to building houses for the homeless.

Point of colonising Mars to improve our non-immediate human survival rate is cool and all but what's more important is establishing a Moon base and bases closer to the Asteroid belt. For one we can potentially mine those Asteroids (if its efficient enough) and two, do way more scientific research than here on Earth without various interruptions from man made signals.

A base on Mars and base on one of Jupiters moons should be our goal. Additionally base on Moon.

Both Musk and Bezos are right. We need to look at "fortifying" Earth and the Moon (Bezos) but also explore deep into space (Musk).
Live long and prosper.
 

mbk34

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The helicopter didn't appear to have any cameras...!
It's apparently got 2 cameras : "a panchromatic, wide angle 0.3 megapixel navigation camera that is nadir pointing to track the position of the helicopter, and a 13 megapixel color camera that captures the surface from near nadir to just above the horizon". It looks like selfies are now an interplanetary thing.
 

QuantumPhysics

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Governments do not care about their people. Only controlling them enough to make them work, to tax. Death and taxes. You want a fairer society? You need to change the entire system and infrastructure of a race that thinks every bit of progression we have gained thus far is for the better. We have known for ages we needed to fix our ways or find a new home. We have done practically nothing. Recycling and renewable energies are still in infancy, and electric cars are 100% a pointless venture.
As far as starving/poor families, it's part of their system.Crushed areas, are cheaper to land develop on. Cause we need to keep covering this green and blue planet in grey concrete and tower blocks.
The rich are willing to die rich. The world will probably see an Elysium or Matrix before we see the Total Recall.
I mean I already feel we are just batteries for the evil machine. Isn't that what the relevance was?
Don't you think it strange to keep allowing your citizens to have more and more children when resources are less and less, that our jobs are pointless, making stuff that is just stuff, pointless trash, that wastes, time, energy, resources. But it's a job, it's money. It's, a broken pointless system.


Live births are the health of the state
 

NicktheWVAHick

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2.7 billion on a Mars mission versus 1.9 trillion in pandemic relief. Are you seriously arguing that we don’t feed our poor? We’re just giving money away left & right. As long as there are free handouts and an iPhone 12 that is more important to have than food & rent, then there will always be poor people with outstretched hands. Retail sales soared last quarter on items such as cars, appliances & electronics “because of stimulus checks” according to CNN. What about spending that money on the “poor mom who can’t feed her baby milk” according to Joe Biden? I’m glad NASA is spending my tax dollars on robots visiting another planet. Better use than giving it to some fat unemployed retard who uses it to buy a new hunting rifle instead of his insulin and anti hypertensive medication.
 
We can land a rover almost 300 million miles away... but can't feed our starving, build homes for the homeless or clean Flint Michigan's water.

Who is starving? All I hear these days is about obesity. Most homeless are drug addicts or mentally ill. Most wont stay in shelters because they don't want to follow the rules. There are 533 total municipalities in Michigan. Of those 533, 210 of them are General law municipalities while the remaining 323 are Charter/Home rule municipalities. Why can't Flint provide clean water while the other 532 municipalities can? It' because the city leaders are incompetent.
 

3volv3d

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Absolutely! Every time the cost of a NASA project is mentioned in a TS Story, comments such as these leak into the discussion.

Space exploration has brought significant innovation to the modern world. It inspires people to learn science, and to invent. Perhaps have a look at links like this https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/infographics/20-inventions-we-wouldnt-have-without-space-travel
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/50-years-50-giant-leaps-how-nasa-rocked-our-world-879377.html#:~:text= 50 years, 50 giant leaps: How Nasa,1971, the average weight of breathing... More

Has not allowing more than one child worked for China? I think not. I agree the system is broken, however, IMO, the system will never find a way to fix itself while individuals have the ability to amass more money than many small countries.


When Musk starts his colony on Mars, get back to us. Musk is lost in his dream, as I see it. IMO, The endeavor is too expensive even for him.

Er 1 child china policy no worky. 2 Children is the key. But any country doing this will take a hit, generation numbers drop slower, but inflation and pensions still cause a burden. This is one reason why I would believe that China accidently on purpose released an age discriminating virus to take out pensioners.
This is why countries love immigrants. Your people hate them taking jobs, but why do governments pretend to care but don't do enough. Or in the UK why do we give £10k to some immigrants to come and help set them up?
Instant taxation upon them getting a job. A child doesn't pay tax for 18 years.
Immigrant good, child useless.
Having more than 2 children = more resources and money wasted.
But it also means more shoppers for economy.
But the economy is bullshit thanks to so much corruption and shady offshore BS and rich peoples loopholes.
But we will continue down the dark useless path....
 

Avro Arrow

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This is a momentous occasion and I am glad to offer my congratulations to all of the fine men and women who were involved in making this happen! We have just seen history my friends, something that I hope our grandchildren talk about just as we talk about the Apollo program today! :D

Having said that, there is something in the article that I find rather chilling...
"NASA’s latest rover and its accompanying helicopter, Ingenuity, launched from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station"
I've always known this as the "Kennedy Space Center". I have, in fact, visited it more than once and reading that it's now called the "Cape Canaveral Space Force Station" tells me that the US government has militarised space exploration.

That makes me all kinds of uncomfortable and I worry that nobody else seemed to notice it because that's how they normalise bad things, by burying them in over-the-top events (and this event IS over-the-top).

Look at that line people and let it sink in. You just might realise that you don't like it any more than I do. It's important to notice little things like this because that's how things fly under the radar.
 

Mister_K

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When Musk starts his colony on Mars, get back to us. Musk is lost in his dream, as I see it. IMO, The endeavor is too expensive even for him.

Don't underestimate a mans dream, he & the teams have already propelled space industry further than ever before. It's the sheer willpower of driving forward. This applies to everything in life. Sure for now, it's all just a dream but it's about the dream one has, a vision, that counts. Passion and work ethic are key.
 

Mister_K

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I love how everyone is complaining about how much money we're spending on this project, we could have over 200 of these for what the US will spend on it's military budget in one year. If people want to start talking about how we should be using that money for humanitarian things here on earth I think you're a bit off....

Someone posted this on Reddit a while back:


Let's say for the 2016 Federal Budget, someone makes an "accidental" cut and paste, and for that year and that year only, NASA's budget is switched with the military's. The military is ensured to have enough reserve funds to make it through the year, although some programs will need to be put on hold and numerous departments of the military will need to go into a standby mode. After a congessional and media uproar over how such a stupid switch-up made it past the double-checkers who "overlooked" the change in the budget, Congress reluctantly allows NASA $600 Billion in a once in a lifetime anomaly.

NASA is overjoyed, space enthusiasts are tickled pink, and all your average global people want to see what they'll do with this money.

So NASA gets ambitious. They aren't going to use all the $600 Billion in one year, but they'll basically double or triple their annual budget, pursuing things that are crazy and also down to earth.

First comes all those telescopes, probes and satellites. The 10-20 years it would have taken to launch them is now closer to 1 or 2 years. Most of them launch successfully, some don't survive, but it seems like almost every few weeks another groundbreaking discovery is made either here on Earth or in the cosmos.

Then come the rockets. Orion and SLS are now fully funded with plenty of money to spare, and need places to go. Venus, some Near Earth Asteroids, the Moon, Mars, Mars' moons, and large asteroids in the belt are immediately considered for destinations. Jupiter and its moons may have to wait for better radiation shielding. Orion becomes a global inspiration, and kids watch in amazement for years as Orion is paired up with interplanetary habitats that are taken further and further away from Earth to places that have never been touched by living creatures.

Maybe a few geniuses at NASA realize the money won't last forever, and decide to helm some projects meant for the private space industry, such as space stations, beyond LEO rockets, reusable spaceplanes, asteroid mining, and lunar research bases, so that when this $600 Billion begins to run dry, they can hitch some rides with private groups like ULA, Orbital Sciences and SpaceX.

Then comes extremely ambitious sci-fi tier stuff. Investigations into suspended animation, dark matter, warp fields, wormholes, antimatter, FTL travel, Interstellar probes, and long-term plans for manned exploration of the outer planets and Interstellar travel ramp up massively, possibly producing groundbreaking discoveries and inventions that change our entire way of living and thinking. Robotics also gets a leg up, and robots alongside astronauts are extremely common.

Then come your less obvious benefits. NASA needs a lot more workers to match this $600 Billion increase, so they begin touring colleges, universities and high schools looking to recruit all sorts of people into NASA projects. STEM education funding goes high up, and motivation in global schools to go into degrees related to this field go up to levels higher than the 1960s. Kids want to be like one of those astronauts going to Phobos.

A lot more people are hired and a lot of people are motivated and newly optimistic of humanity itself. Space Agencies around the world want to work with NASA even more, if only to get a small slice of the tremendous budget. NASA, if its feeling nice enough, decides to bump up ESA's $5 billion annual budge to $10 billion, increases partnerships internationally, and maybe even wins the Russian Space Agency over (that or there is a huge brain drain in Russia that goes on for years).

Some of the money trickles back into other agencies. The Department of Energy, Department of Education, Department of Health (or whatever that is), Department of Commerce, obviously NASA's aeronautics division which is focused on airplanes, EPA, Congress (increased space lobbying that gets convincing bipartisan support), and obviously the Military.

The 2017 fiscal budget is changed back, but NASA now holds up to 2.5-3% of the federal budget, and the Military holds just a little bit less. The Military is able to resume its projects, reopen branches, and able to get on as normal, doing some more DARPA collaboration with NASA. NASA's $600 Billion slowly decreases, eventually coming back down to normal levels after 20-25 years. If they were smart and decided to lead several private spaceflight projects, they have the private industry to fall back on to continue to do amazing things. If not, then they are still in a bit better of a position than now, but there is still that same disappointment that their glory days are behind them and they must focus on scaling back.

Many more advancements will be made in the years that follow, and the world will come to recognize the $600 Billion anamoly as one of the monumental events in US History.