New Windows 10 updates are causing more problems than they fix

spydercanopus

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I've got a server that only needs to run legacy software, but also need remote access.

Is it safe to permanently disable windows updates in a scenario like this? I use chrome remote desktop for it.
 

DAOWAce

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Still on v1703 because of issues every time I tried out a new build of Win10.

I have a separate install if I want to play a game that requires 1909+, but boy do I hate the changes Microsoft keeps making every update in regards to removing classic features and the way Windows has worked since 95. Can only imagine how terrible everything will be when they finally switch it all over to the 'metro' or 'modern' UI, whatever they're trying to call it.

Anyway, no surprise they keep breaking something to this day; too little testing and too complex software don't mix., and it only gets worse.
 

Avro Arrow

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What? Windows Updates are causing problems?

In other news, water is wet, fire is hot, ice is cold and the Sahara is dry.

I'm getting seriously tempted to "downgrade" to Windows 7. I've had that temptation ever since ways to make it work with Ryzen were devised.
 
I have 2 ongoing random issues with W10 updates. Not every update, not every machine
1/ Windoze firewall turns back on or at random deletes incoming port rules
2/ Sometimes deletes VSP instances
 

BobHome

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I guess we will find out if our systems crash after the auto roll out tomorrow. I get the feeling that Microsoft have just used the optional install as a kind of beta test so that they can iron out any remaining bugs before pushing it on all systems? Like you I think this article is a bit premature... if tomorrow brings about huge system failures across all PC's, Then this will be more news worthy.
"Microsoft have just used the optional install as a kind of beta test" - Kind of?
All MS installs are beta tests. Otherwise, there'd be no need for continuous fixes. :)
 

BobHome

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I feel Microsoft is betting it's money on Windows 10X because that will remove all the 'gotta keep it compatible with 10-20 year old hardware' challenge.
Even Google released a notice that Chrome 89, I believe, won't work on old hardware that doesn't support SSE3, or Streaming SIMD Extensions 3 CPU instructions. That goes back @ 15 years to 2005.
 

GenFUBAR

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I'm very wary of these updates now. The updates that have been implemented over the last 2 or so years have caused issues with my system.I've had to go back to an earlier install to remove the issues.
I currently have an update waiting to be installed, its been sitting there for about a week now. I usually don't install any updates for a few weeks, so I can read others results from installing these updates first.
 

Darth Shiv

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I'm very wary of these updates now. The updates that have been implemented over the last 2 or so years have caused issues with my system.I've had to go back to an earlier install to remove the issues.
I currently have an update waiting to be installed, its been sitting there for about a week now. I usually don't install any updates for a few weeks, so I can read others results from installing these updates first.
Yeah exactly. Common to wait 2-4 weeks to apply patches to important machines to wait and see who got screwed by the update. We would do our lesser importance servers first as well then stagger updates to our mission critical ones.
 

Danny101

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I especially liked the "one user tried to install it 5 times without success" Ohnoes, not one user?!
Having worked at a computer store its a miracle that 90% of people's computers work at all. They click on every f-ing thing on the internet, ignore every warning and just randomly drag move files and folders by accident nonstop.
This is why in future shows the only way to interface with a computer should be by speech so all the invalid inputs can be filtered out.
It's unfortunate, but you have to make it ***** proof. Thanks family and friends.
Sure, not everyone have the same interests.l, but don't be so quick to click things and be skeptical. At the same time, power users should have access to the controls if they want.
 

lazer

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I have been using and recommending win7 with NO upgrades. It was the last decent OS that Micro$lop put out. Since then M$ has continually screwed up with their crappy OS's and updates.
 

bobc4012

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So there are specific devices you plug in that cause your system to BSOD, and for this you blame Microsoft instead of the device manufacturer whose driver is triggering the BSOD?
Maybe! Did MS inform by some means, all those who write applications/drivers/etc, that an I/F or API change? Or is it up to those other companies to join the Insider's program and do MS's testing to find out what changed?
 

bobc4012

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Maybe I'm lucky or just have normal hardware, but not had any issues with any MS update since windows 10 was released. I feel for those that are having issues, because I know what that's like because my father-in-law had nightmare issues with his PC over drivers.

Given the vast amount of different hardware out there and differing ages, it's a nightmare for MS to ensure everything will work for everyone all the time. Apple has it so much easier with their locked down eco-system.
But did MS broadcast that there would be changes to I/Fs so others could make the necessary changes to their products? BTW, the various Linux distros also support a variety of H/W maybe even more than MS. I have old S/W that I liked and it no longer runs on Windows (even trying compatibility mode) but runs on Linux with WINE or install PCDOS or an older version of Windows in VirtualBox.
 

Darth Shiv

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I've got a server that only needs to run legacy software, but also need remote access.

Is it safe to permanently disable windows updates in a scenario like this? I use chrome remote desktop for it.
I would recommend it isn't accessing the internet. Just LAN. You could remote into another machine on your network or access it via VPN to get to it from the net but no direct connection access I would very strongly recommend.
 

wiak

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Ohhh... I love these clickbait articles that bring out the MS haters... I don't suppose you want to report on the overwhelming majority of PCs that are unaffected (negatively that is) by the patch... or any hotfixes that are available for the tiny minority who are adversely affected?

Hurray!
ive had issues, my friends has had issues, soo its not only a little subset
windows never should have had auto updates, they do more harm than good
 

Gezzer

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So there are specific devices you plug in that cause your system to BSOD, and for this you blame Microsoft instead of the device manufacturer whose driver is triggering the BSOD?

Except, if it worked fine before the update and then... do you still blame the manufacturer? It's fine when you go from one version of windows to another, like Win7 to Win10, to have driver issues. The drivers were never meant for the newer version. But MS decided to make Win10 the "last windows you'll ever need". So it's on them to make sure their updates don't break drivers that work, not the manufacturer.

This is why I've always thought that forced updating was a really stupid idea for Windows. It works fine for Android or iOS because you have a limited amount of configurations that they run on. But Windows and the PCs it runs on come in an uncountable number of configurations. So a GTX 680 that runs fine for the games I play on it should have to run the latest driver even if it degrades my experience? Why?
 

Darth Shiv

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ive had issues, my friends has had issues, soo its not only a little subset
windows never should have had auto updates, they do more harm than good
Auto updates for features? No. Cumulative updates for features AND security? No. Both staggeringly stupid ideas. Userland is their playground now and they perpetually break our environments for what? An update to the XBox Live Auth service and moving our start menu layout 4 pixels or a shade of blue? Or adding a new checkbox on customising Cortana which I didn't want and never have wanted?

Cumulative security updates are kind of acceptable but still carry the risk of regression and leaving machines vulnerable until the issue is fixed which often takes months.

I just don't understand why Microsoft Control Panel and Windows Update parts of the OS are so under-evolved. I mean application installation API for Win32, managing, updating apps and the same for Windows Updates. Win32 is still a massive part of Windows - not the Store. There's been stuff all investment in Control Panel because they were autopiloting and counting money. No vision to do anything to give devs and users the tools to make the experience stronger.

For Win Update, give people a news page they can choose feature updates or get informed on what changed NATIVELY in the OS in the new update. Get their CONSENT before pushing these features. Build in native browsing of support forums related DIRECTLY to the patches as part of a panel in the operating system.

I mean cmon... Windows lacks huge transparency on processes they've been doing for over 2 decades. What on earth have they been doing all this time?
 
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