NPCs won't refer to you by gender in Cyberpunk 2077

pit1209

TS Booster
You know what? There's too many people here getting all "offended" and talking nonsense just because they are giving us the OPTION to choose whatever we want to be, female, male or whatever, what's the problem with that? you want to be a male just be it, you don't then be whatever you want, choose all the letters from the alphabet for all I care and if you're against that I think you better take a look at yourself in the mirror and think twice because that's where we're going anyways for good or bad.
Anyways my character will be a straight male as close as I can make it look like me and I hope everyone who don't want to do that can have the option to do it how it pleases them.
 

Evernessince

TS Evangelist
Looks like the orders came down from the top! Push our Satanic gender insanity or you'll be out of business.
They aren't pushing anything. Read the article, they specifically omit referencing your gender to give you complete freedom. If anyone is pushing anything it is people like you who feel that people MUST use certain pronouns.

They shouldn't let it go too far, or it may ruin the atmosphere of their own game. I mean just remember a typical mod, it usually plays around gender, sexuality and such. It's fine for a multiplayer game, though. They don't want to make a joke out of the singleplayer campaign, do they?
I think you are misunderstanding something. The content of the game is not being altered by this change. Literally the only thing different is the way other characters reference you. In fact 99% of dialog doesn't have any gender pronouns to begin with in games so really I don't see a problem of replacing "she" or "he" with "V"


So is it like being refered to as "Sheppard" in the Mass Effect trilogy?
Exactly like this. People don't seem to realize they are raging about something when they've already played through multiple games that have done just this. They didn't even notice because it doesn't have an iota of an impact on the game for a majority of players.

Yeah, this nonsense just "broke" the game for me. I won't waste time with a game or company that panders wholesale to fictional, Langley-induced agendas designed solely to confuse, annoy, and depress people.

I mean I've never played any of their other games either but now I have zero reason to try one. I'll stick to Deus Ex, Perfect Dark, and other sci-fi games that don't suck outright and don't buckle and cave under fake social pressure from fake people.
You are offended by an option that doesn't impact your playthrough one bit yet allows others more freedom? Hey, how many times is Jensen referred to as a man in Deus Ex? Bet you can't remember. I've played through all the games and can't say I don't remember a single instance. That's how little an impact this will have on you, zero.

You know what? There's too many people here getting all "offended" and talking nonsense just because they are giving us the OPTION to choose whatever we want to be, female, male or whatever, what's the problem with that? you want to be a male just be it, you don't then be whatever you want, choose all the letters from the alphabet for all I care and if you're against that I think you better take a look at yourself in the mirror and think twice because that's where we're going anyways for good or bad.
Anyways my character will be a straight male as close as I can make it look like me and I hope everyone who don't want to do that can have the option to do it how it pleases them.
I don't get all the hate. This has been done in multiple other AAA titles and it doesn't effect the gameplay or experience one bit for them.
 

VinnyC

TS Rookie
This is not important to a game whatsoever. Leave this garbage out of it. People don't actually think / behave this way, it's a small extremely vocal group of "woke" individuals who need to be on medication, not pandered to. Stop catering to these groups. Focus on the game's story and world, ignore this other nonsense.
 

VinnyC

TS Rookie
You know what? There's too many people here getting all "offended" and talking nonsense just because they are giving us the OPTION to choose whatever we want to be, female, male or whatever, what's the problem with that? you want to be a male just be it, you don't then be whatever you want, choose all the letters from the alphabet for all I care and if you're against that I think you better take a look at yourself in the mirror and think twice because that's where we're going anyways for good or bad.
Anyways my character will be a straight male as close as I can make it look like me and I hope everyone who don't want to do that can have the option to do it how it pleases them.
We're mad because they don't have the balls (pun intended) to even refer to the options as male / female the way you are. Because heaven forbid we "offend" someone with inconvenient SCIENTIFIC FACTS.
 

Puiu

TS Evangelist
It's a cheap way of writing the dialogue so you can choose male/female or whatever - and the dialogue is generic.
Considering the amount of dialogue they'll most likely have to record, it's not a bad decision from them. It should also make the game smaller by quite a few GB (although it will still prolly be huge).
 
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trgz

TS Addict
"CD Projekt Red is taking an open approach to gender and sexuality" bollocks - it'll save them money on voice acting
 

SirDigby

TS Evangelist
Platinum
Bloody hell these comments....
The protagonist's name is 'V', it's gender neutral and by not using gender identifying third person pronouns it allows people who don't identify as either as the binary male-female to still feel immersed in the game.
Yes it does allow CDPR to save money / disk space / time on voice recording but it's a win-win?
In what way does this affect you? Does someone saying your character's name instead of going 'he/ she' stop you from getting immersed? Get over yourselves.

We're mad because they don't have the balls (pun intended) to even refer to the options as male / female the way you are. Because heaven forbid we "offend" someone with inconvenient SCIENTIFIC FACTS.
You're confusing sex and gender mate, well proven gender is separate. Let people do them and you just do you.

This is not important to a game whatsoever. Leave this garbage out of it. People don't actually think / behave this way, it's a small extremely vocal group of "woke" individuals who need to be on medication, not pandered to. Stop catering to these groups. Focus on the game's story and world, ignore this other nonsense.
It's important the player base so it does mater - just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it objectively wrong. So what if it's a small portion of the player base? I imagine there's a small number of players want to play in certain languages but I bet it's still translated into as many as they can. As to the individuals needing to be on medication - get ****ed mate.

This is because the LGBTQP+++++ community is a collectively delusional group that insists on forcing people to recognize them as normal when they are clearly not.
It's because a bunch of people think they can decide and force other people to think and feel things they don't. Let people be who they are it doesn't affect you in the slightest.

This gender neutral thing is total nonsense. Not only is it illogical, but stands in the face of provable science fact. Of course this is just a game. I'm still going to buy it, but have protest this gender BS.
http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/


If any of you are even remotely interested in hearing and learning about the other side than living in your little bubble then I'd suggest you read the book 'Queer' by Meg-John Barker & Jules Scheele - https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Queer-Graphic-Introducing-Meg-John-Barker/dp/1785780719/ref=pd_ybh_a_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=2AQCX52T3ZYE3S4HAY89


And FYI I'm a straight white male.
 

treetops

TS Evangelist
I wish people had as much passion about lobbying and campaign contributions being straight up bribes as they do trans, guns, immigrants, kneeling and saying Merry Christmas. I'd get a bumper sticker but it's to long.

btw this is a weekend article, that's why it has so many comments ;)
 

ET3D

TechSpot Paladin
Because we want you to feel free to create any character you want.
But the thing is, gender and gender identity are pretty much ingrained in our self definition, even in those of the LGBT community. People also do react to others based on their look, and that reaction is affected by the perceived gender, the perceived origin, as well as many other things.

While not having the ability to define gender isn't a game breaking issue, it still weakens story telling, as well as the ability to 'create any character you want'.
 

SpatulaCity

TS Rookie
The problem with this is this decision is that it ultimately removes commonly used words and hampers dialogue. Most languages have gender woven tightly within the framework and removing it from conversational and inperpersonal dialogues will probably sound unnatural after awhile. This unnatural sounding dialogue may distract the gamer and pull the gamer out of the immersion of the game.
 
30 comments for this? That's hilarious
There's more than a few people who just love getting their panties in a wad and letting a dozen people at TS know about it.

The problem with this is this decision is that it ultimately removes commonly used words and hampers dialogue. Most languages have gender woven tightly within the framework and removing it from conversational and inperpersonal dialogues will probably sound unnatural after awhile. This unnatural sounding dialogue may distract the gamer and pull the gamer out of the immersion of the game.
There's a lot of prejudgement in this thread about a game which isn't even out yet. We could just let CDPR finish the game and judge it on it's content instead of tilting at imaginary windmills.

But I suppose internet outrage gives us something to talk about and drives those clicks.
 
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pit1209

TS Booster
The problem with this is this decision is that it ultimately removes commonly used words and hampers dialogue. Most languages have gender woven tightly within the framework and removing it from conversational and inperpersonal dialogues will probably sound unnatural after awhile. This unnatural sounding dialogue may distract the gamer and pull the gamer out of the immersion of the game.
Have you played the game and seen the dialogues to say that? I don't know about you but I won't feel more immersed just because people are going to refer to me with my name instead of my gender, I mean I don't get called a male or man in my daily living and just people talking about me nor with me will refer to me as he or him, in a game as real life you won't probably hear too many people talking about you while you're gone.
 
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pit1209

TS Booster
Yes, consider yours for example.


No, that's what the LGBTQP+ community and their supporters want everyone to think. Reality is far simpler. More on that in a moment.


Take your own advise and quit trying to tell us to accept your flawed views and perspectives of reality.


That's the distinction the LGBTQP+ community fails to grasp, they are a vast minority. They are not allowed to speak for and impose rules for the whole, which is what they want.


Imagine that, one group of people trying to tell another how to think.


Oh dear. Agenda based psycho-babble is a weak stance to support an argument from. Here's what isn't, medically provable science fact; A penis is not compatible with another penis. A vagina is not compatible with another vagina. It really is as simple as that. Anything that deviates from that simple biological dynamic is a not functional and is not a part of the natural order. A person's gender is their sex. That too is also very simple. Only the dysfunctional, disordered or delusional think otherwise.


You are assuming, incorrectly, that many of us haven't studied this subject at length. Unfortunately, like the LGBTQP+ community you expect everyone to arrive at the same conclusion you and they do. Clearly we have not and do not.


That was the defining point of your entire post. It attempted to qualify you in a way that is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

Now I should make it clear, I personally do not believe the LGBTQP+ group should not be discriminated against unfairly(unless it crosses a criminal line in the case of "P" part of it all". Most of them did not and do not choose the dysfunction/disorder they have and have no idea how to deal with it in any way other than what is currently available to them. They are all human beings and need to be treated with dignity and respect.
Man I really don't get you, you say they as a group or whatever should be treated with respect and dignity while at the same time being against people recognizing them as what they are or they feel they are, if someone wants to be recognized as homosexual then how does that affect me? I think part of treating someone with respect and dignity is recognizing them for what they are and this goes beyond just genders or a phenotype and it doesn't matter that they are a minority. Common is not the same as normal.
 
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Steelybran

TS Rookie
Because we want you to feel free to create any character you want.
But the thing is, gender and gender identity are pretty much ingrained in our self definition, even in those of the LGBT community. People also do react to others based on their look, and that reaction is affected by the perceived gender, the perceived origin, as well as many other things.

While not having the ability to define gender isn't a game breaking issue, it still weakens story telling, as well as the ability to 'create any character you want'.

How does it "weaken story telling?"

I don't recall Gandalf's penis being of particularly critical importance in Lord of the Rings.

I dunno, maybe in the Silmarillion.
 
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Morris Minor

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I think you guys are looking to much in to this. don't get me wrong I hate the whole pc culture but in cyberpunk, the world it is built around anyone can modify any part of themselves. you can go from being male one day to female the next and back again. its more about what it means to be human when you can change everything about yourself for a few credits.
 
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