NPCs won't refer to you by gender in Cyberpunk 2077

[pit1209]

In Polish they will have to remove verbs then to make dialogues gender neutral.

Then let's wait for the polish people to complaint about that.

 

[ShObiT]

Basically obeying people that most likely wont buy the game,ffs!

 

[pit1209]

Basically obeying people that most likely wont buy the game,ffs!

Obeying what and who? Did we really read the same article?

 

[retsxel]

Man I really don't get you, you say they as a group or whatever should be treated with respect and dignity while at the same time being against people recognizing them as what they are or they feel they are

Treating someone with respect and dignity does not require acceptance of their disorder as something that is normal. They are different, drastically so and the majority of people who are not like them should not be forced to accept that difference as something we need to expose ourselves to in daily life. Nor should we be forced to tolerate children being taught that such is normal when basic science proves it isn't.

if someone wants to be recognized as homosexual then how does that affect me?

It doesn't if such doesn't bother you. Not everyone agrees. It shouldn't be forced on them as something that is correct when it clearly isn't and never has been.

I think part of treating someone with respect and dignity is recognizing them for what they are and this goes beyond just genders or a phenotype and it doesn't matter that they are a minority. Common is not the same as normal.

Interesting perspective. We don't don't choose our gender, it is chosen for us through the biological processes involved in human development during pregnancy. That biological process defines us and how we are supposed to live. The idea that we should be able to redefine who we are based on how we "feel" is a mental "crutch". Instead of addressing the problem and resolving it to a positive and healthy conclusion, people simply shrug their collective shoulders and say "oh well, that's just the way I am". We live in a society were weakness is accepted as bravery and what would be truly brave is considered intolerance.

 

[SirDigby]

Yes, consider yours for example.


No, that's what the LGBTQP+ community and their supporters want everyone to think. Reality is far simpler. More on that in a moment.

No it's medically accepted that sex is the biological differences of XX and XY based people, whereas gender is a social construct that has been entirely fluid throughout human history describing roles in society, roles and realities. - WHO definition
Sex is a medical issue, gender is a cultural issue.

That's the distinction the LGBTQP+ community fails to grasp, they are a vast minority. They are not allowed to speak for and impose rules for the whole, which is what they want.

But they aren't speaking for or imposing rules for the whole. The game is about character who can change any part of themselves and it's the developers that have chosen to implement this -

In the genre of Cyberpunk as well, it asks such deep questions about what it means to be human, let alone what it means to define your gender.

nowhere does it say there's been social pressure or petitioning for this in Cyberpunk specifically.

Oh dear. Agenda based psycho-babble is a weak stance to support an argument from. Here's what isn't, medically provable science fact; A penis is not compatible with another penis. A vagina is not compatible with another vagina. It really is as simple as that. Anything that deviates from that simple biological dynamic is a not functional and is not a part of the natural order. A person's gender is their sex. That too is also very simple. Only the dysfunctional, disordered or delusional think otherwise.

You're assuming sex is purely for reproduction? Newsflash mate, humans enjoy sex and do it recreationally. Gay sex has existed for thousands of years throughout human history and has been observed in some animals to no detriment of the wider population, for example it was encouraged in Spartan society to strengthen the relationships and bonds between soldiers in the army.
And while you say a penis isn't compatible with a penis, it I compatible with an arse, hand or a mouth, but I bet you don't turn down oral or give it to your partner, or completely abstain from masturbation?

 

[Gezzer]

This gender neutral thing is total nonsense. Not only is it illogical, but stands in the face of provable science fact. Of course this is just a game. I'm still going to buy it, but have to protest this gender BS.

Ever hear of Klinefelter syndrome?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome

As someone who has it, and while nominally male I've never really felt "male" or even "female" for that matter. Fact is due to the condition I'm pretty much gender neutral and the only male gender aspects I express is more from conditioning to "feel" and "act" male as I was being raised. So how's that sit with your "provable scientific fact" hypothesis?

Now that doesn't mean I applaud the move of creating more gender's for the game and making it more gender neutral. Truth is I've never harboured any burning need to have more options in that regard. I always play a cis male in games regardless of my condition, after all it's called "role playing" for a reason isn't it? So in the end I think this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot no matter which side you stand on and pretty silly overall.

 

[ET3D]

How does it "weaken story telling?"

I don't recall Gandalf's penis being of particularly critical importance in Lord of the Rings.

I dunno, maybe in the Silmarillion.

First of all, gender perception and gender identity don't have to do with sex or sex organs. A lot of interactions are affected by that, both inter and intra-gender.

It weakens story telling because it removes one tool from the writer's toolbox. Certainly relationships between people exist, and in the normal world would be affected by gender perception and identity. Eliminating them from the picture makes it harder for the writer to convey things related to them.

As for Lord of the Rings, characters in that did have a gender identity, and even had relationships (Aragorn and Arwen for example). But even without that, I'm sure that a lot of characters there were described by 'him/her', 'his/hers', etc. That's a normal part of how people refer to others.

 

[SirDigby]

It weakens story telling because it removes one tool from the writer's toolbox. Certainly relationships between people exist, and in the normal world would be affected by gender perception and identity. Eliminating them from the picture makes it harder for the writer to convey things related to them.

Have to agree with you there, I'm hoping the writers are decent enough to work around it, like building a shelving unit when you're missing a X-head screwdriver, flathead should still get the job done. Though tbf I found in the opening of the Witcher 3 the script was pretty stiff.

 

[wizardB]

Here's a company I won't be supporting, helping people to reinforce their psychosis. I identify as a duck...that doesn't make me a duck it makes me crazy.

 

[retsxel]

Here's a company I won't be supporting, helping people to reinforce their psychosis. I identify as a duck...that doesn't make me a duck it makes me crazy.

At least you are realistic with yourself instead of trying to justify something that is biologically incorrect.