At this point, I'm vindictive towards nVidia. I'll consider buying a 3080 when I can get one new for less than $300. That is where this card should be, imo, at this stage in its life.
I've been vindictive towards nVidia (and Intel for that matter) for well over a decade. Every time I buy a Radeon card, I get this wonderful feeling that I'm kicking Jensen in the nads, even if he can't feel it.
Personally, while I would like it to happen, I think it is very wishful thinking that a 4070 will come in around $600. IMO, nVidia just wants to dump current stock onto those "suckers" willing to buy now instead of waiting for a 4XXX card. My bet is that when the 4XXX cards arrive, they will come in at a significant premium to current prices if not above the MSRPs of the previous generation of cards.
Of course they will, anyone who thinks otherwise is a noob because it's what they've been doing since the release of the Geforce 8800 GTX back in '06.
After all, this is nVidia we are talking about - they only care about one thing - profit.
Yeah, they and Intel both. Sure, AMD is
primarily about profit but there are lines that they won't cross. Teams green and blue have no issues that way. Hell, I bet Jensen thinks that the Enron people were geniuses.
The 3080Ti is £900 here in the UK. Once it gets down to £700 and averages around the £750ish price range I would be tempted.
I don't see the point in waiting for something that may or may not come to pass when this is in stock NOW:
Newegg UK: ASRock RX 6900 XT 16GB for £736 (Free Shipping)
No consumer GPU released to date is worth more than £1000. Everything has been priced wrong since the 20xx series.
Only because people were stupid enough to pay through the nose just to get a video card in a green box. If people are noobish enough to pay more for a green card that gets its butt kicked by a less-expensive red card, why wouldn't nVidia give them a good buggering? If you ask me, they totally deserve all the fleecing that they get because they're too stupid or lazy to use their power of consumer choice.
I'm afriad you are probably correct on the pricing. But I'm hopeful. But about profit, they all care about one thing, profit. As soon as they have to answer to shareholders, everything goes to sh^t. I think going public is a great way to raise capital, but also a great way to watch the push for profit over quality take control.
It's true, that's how corporate capitalism generally works. However, somehow AMD manages to not always try to screw people over. Sure, they're not exactly what I'd call angels but they're nowhere near as shady as nVidia (or Intel for that matter).
Just sold my EVGA 3070Ti FTW for $530 and pick up the used EVGA 3080 FTW 10GB for $620.
Done with the price madness of this generation.
Madness could also be defined as buying a
used RTX 3080 with 10GB of VRAM for only $20 less than a
new RX 6800 XT with 16GB of VRAM.
Still, you made out like a bandit so I can't really fault you for it.
It would be nice if their original line up (the ones with the nice msrp that reviewers fell for) reached msrp first. In the US, the 3050, 3060 (Ti), 3070 and 3080 are still over msrp.
We‘re now almost two years after Ampere launched and the majority are still over msrp…
Well, fortunately for you and I, the MSRP of nVidia cards is more or less irrelevant because we're not too chicken to buy something else.
We've had years of price gouging. I'll buy if the 3000 cards go for 80% of MSRP and new 4000 cards appear within 10% of previous gen MSRP otherwise I'll just continue to spend my money on other things.
When it comes to nVidia, I
always spend my money on other things. Specifically, Radeons.
I wouldn't say a nice margin, solely based off rumors, the 4070 may be about as fast as a 3090. If that's the case, you're looking at maybe a 15% performance boost based on the fact that a 3080 is around 15% behind a 3090. In the end we certainly see an improvement, but it's not that impressive based on how much hype was built up. But, we are left waiting for reviews to see for sure how much of an improvement comes with Lovelace and maybe we'll be in for a nice surprise that the margin of performance is greater than 15%.
I'd expect that if the 4070 is more than 15% faster than the 3080, it will have an MSRP of
at least $1000. Why? It's simply because the noobs have demonstrated that they'll pay hundreds more for a video card in a green box.
Hopefully if Nvidia can push out more chips for 3080 12GB it may help drop prices more because right now I'm seeing the 10GB and 12GB versions for $800-1100 still. I'd love to see these cards in the $500-600 range, but it probably never get there.
No, it
definitely will not, at least, not for a new one. However, it's not like there isn't an
extremely attractive alternative, what with the RX 6800 XT currently going for
$640.
I can tell you that my RX 6800 XT is an absolute beast and I have no regrets about spending about $500 less than the absurd price that was being charged at the time for an RTX 3080. I also got 60% more VRAM in the bargain which will be useful down the road when HD textures get
really ridiculous with their VRAM requirements.
I expect that will be sooner rather than later after having seen these demos of Unreal Engine 5:
Prices in the UK are still +10-20% of MSRP, so yeah if they want to "discount" the cards, lets see 10-20% BELOW the MSRP ... you know, an actual discount?
Oh thank you, I needed that laugh! You do realise that this
is nVidia you're talking about, eh? They don't give
actual discounts!
Considering these are close to two year old GPUs, and that most were already overpriced, it has to be more than just 10-20%.
Like I said to PassingPoseidon, we must remember that we're talking about nVidia and getting any real discounts from Jensen is like pulling impacted wisdom teeth with rusty pliers.
The 3080 would need to be $400 or less for me to even consider it. 4070 will smack it senseless for less than $600, maybe $549. Same applies to 6900XT, 7700XT will beat it at a lower price, so old gen will need to be significantly cheaper than MSRP. For AMD especially RT will be much better on RDNA3 and no more gimped bus, 384 bit and 320 bit for the Navi 31 cards and 256bit for the Navi 32 cards.
You know, ray-tracing isn't
really a thing yet. It's an oddity that is present in a few titles that 99.999% of people forget is there while they're actually playing a game. If and/or when ray-tracing actually makes some kind of significant difference, you can be sure that Markham will have caught up with and/or passed Santa Clara in ray-tracing performance. There's just too much time for them not to. For now though, it's not worth the extra cost.
"Everything just works." - Sure Jensen, tell us another one!
Now you are talking about my luck. I always miss the sales, deals and releases. Maybe because I'm so cheap. I always second guess whatever I put in my cart, and ultimately think about it and delete it. Don't want to blow my money.
If you're so cheap, I don't recommend buying nVidia because those prices will make your hair fall out! Especially when you find out, a little ways down the road, that the Radeon equivalent is now out-performing your GeForce card that you paid more for.
I had money for a card in the price range of a 3070/6800/6800 XT and I couldn't click fast enough to get one the day they released....stop dredging up painful memories!
You want painful memories? I had two HD 7970s in Crossfire. Then I got hit with the double-whammy of Crossfire and SLI being dropped from games and the first mining boom hitting right after that. I was stuck with a single HD 7970 around the time when
two HD 7970s were getting long in the tooth and the RX 580 was around $700 at the time. I still thank my lucky stars that newegg started selling those R9 Furies for about half the cost of the RX 580. That was a pretty bad feeling, wondering for the first time if I was going to have to buy a PS3 out of necessity.
