Vanderlinde
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However Nvidia does'nt rely on just selling gaming graphics cards. The big money is in the enterprise market.
So even if all consumers would "stop" buying nvidia products, they still bank on enterprise big big bigtime.
Nvidia might cut the supply of RTX 4070 GPUs in response to slow sales
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However Nvidia does'nt rely on just selling gaming graphics cards. The big money is in the enterprise market.
So even if all consumers would "stop" buying nvidia products, they still bank on enterprise big big bigtime.
veLa
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This is what they get for trying to pass off what should have been an RTX 4060 as a 4070.
Threadcount
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I just remember the days where it was about raw power no gimmicks, they just rely on DLSS for up-scaling, and make less powerful cards and use DLSS and RT as the selling point, the RTX 4090 cant even play Cyberpunk in overdrive mode which uses full RT, without DLSS 3 and fake frames, I guess fake frames win games.
takaozo
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You get a 60 series card with a 70 series sticker and almost a 80 series prices. That is the real issue here.
Your income should rise 2% on average every year. And a company that cares to share profits with their employees should have given nearly 8-10% over the last 2 years combined. If your income isnt around 60% higher over the last 20yrs, you should have switched jobs
yRaz
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Incomes are a joke, the rent for my same apartment has gone from $750 to $2000 since 2019. Thank god prices are starting to come down, I can't wait to get out of this dumpster fire.
AMD and Intel need to create an abstract software layer for Cuda that translates the commands to the hardware, like Wine does for Linux. There is no other way for the competition to work efficiently.
We need a x90 card with at least 48 Gb VRAM with 2:1 fp16 and 1:1 fp 64 for under 1000$. Nvidia says if you need that “much” you must buy our “Porsche” A100 with 80 gb vram 4:1 fp16 and etc for 10k. Well we don’t want “Porsche” we want a “Subaru”.
We need a x90 card with at least 48 Gb VRAM with 2:1 fp16 and 1:1 fp 64 for under 1000$. Nvidia says if you need that “much” you must buy our “Porsche” A100 with 80 gb vram 4:1 fp16 and etc for 10k. Well we don’t want “Porsche” we want a “Subaru”.
takaozo
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OMG that is almost 3 times in 4 years.
yRaz
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It went from 750 to 1200 in Feb 2020 and then from 1200 to 2000 this Febuary. "but that's the market rate! It makes me sick looking at what you're paying!" If I was looking to pay 1500 or more a month for housing I'd have a mortage and bought a house. I have no interest in owning property. Thankfully it looks like similar places are coming down to the 1300/m range so I'll switch to one of those but I might just downsize to a 1 bedroom for $850 down the street. Meanwhile, my heat went out in the middle of winter when it was literally -30 out and the declared a state of emergency. Had to fix the furnace myself Christmas eve. Sent him a bill for what it would cost to for a serviceman to come out and fix it(my building has 8 units in it) and he laughed at me then raised everyones rent. I wouldn't continue to give him money even if he returned the rent to 750. Everyone time I come home to this apartment I just soak in anger and don't want to be here. $2000/m is a nice *** apartment in Pittsburgh. I'm talking parking garage with a gym and pool included in the rent. I'm either going to get an apartment worth paying $2000/m for or find something similar to what I have for cheaper.
I know me and 2 other units are out, we all said put us on month to month. I'm moving to Arizona to take a job in October anyway.
yRaz
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Well we have what I call a "realestate ponzi scheme" going on in the US right now. I don't feel like going into the details of what I mean by that, but I sleep in my own bed less than 300 nights a year. I don't want to have the pipes burst only to come back 2 weeks later and see my house destroyed. I don't own many things, I don't want many things and I live a very minimalistic lifestyle. I would rather take the money I save from spliting the monthly difference between rent and a mortgage and then invest that money into myself. Either in things such as hobbies that I find rewarding or into sideline businesses. Heck, sometimes I just read about a company I like and buy some shares. For my style of investing and my lifestyle, realestate is a bad investment. Even if I were to purchase rental property, realestate investing is not in line with my investing goals and not part of my investment strategy.
If your income hasn't doubled in 20 years, unless you were at the top of your career 20 years ago, time for a change. I'm a teacher, a profession known for low salaries, and mine has tripled from start to present, year 1 to 21...
If I had a nickel for every time I saw someone claim this on the internet or in the media, and it turns out it's some broke unemployed loser I'd have more money than Elon Musk lost on Twitter.
godrilla
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Not sure if you seen this article from Videocardz website saying that Nvidia is giving a $100 gift card with the sale of Nvidia 4000 series card now.
https://videocardz.com/newz/us-reta...steam-gift-cards-with-all-geforce-rtx-40-gpus
https://videocardz.com/newz/us-reta...steam-gift-cards-with-all-geforce-rtx-40-gpus
takaozo
Posts: 821 +1,309
Only in US and only Microcenter for now.
Let me know when Nvidia will really cut 100 from all prices...Like never!
They would bundle next a jar of vaseline and a RGB d1ld0, for complete customer satisfaction.
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The statement is pretty spot-on.
In 2001 teachers in my little slice of flyoverland in the US were starting at barely $30k. Right now a teacher with masters+30 and 20 years of experience will almost top-out the pay scale and make over $80k.
Rent is such a joke. I was lucky enough to buy a short sale home years ago to get some equity rolling. I know a lot of people that rent and I understand why they do it, but my god the rates are ridiculous. This administration is not helping either
godrilla
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From what I understand they rather cut supply introduce these localized deals and also introduce weaker gpus to fill bottom end. Unfortunately it will always come to AMD's competition to force such price wars as you mentioned. Nvidia is definitely testing the waters of brand loyalty and mind share which is kind of backfiring now. Unfortunately AMD has to clear last gen inventory to make this happen with current advantages of better rasterization performance per dollar and more vram for future proofing but at the cost of less efficiency. There are talks of 7800xts and 7700xts so hopefully they come out sooner rather than later.
yRaz
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We don't have a supply problem, we have people problem with people refusing to sell. Pre-covid housing prices were fine but people bought at the peak as an investment because "realestate only go up, money printer go brrrrr" and now they're holding the bags. The big issue with the current housing bubble is that Covid created massive realestate companies that can just sit on the properties for years. The whole "this $200,000 house is $350,000 now" is just silly. It doesn't matter what it is. Housing, video cards, food. I hate the idea of living an a 'whatever the market will bare' economy. When I apply for a job the company has a 'take the money we give you and be happy' attitude. I'm not against business making money but whatever the **** is going on right now is not capitalism. I'm lucky to be where I am financially but I look around at the prices of things and just think, "how do people pay for this?"
I have exact figures. I started at $26,300 in 2002 and am making $80,100 for 2022, base salary comparison only. In fairness, this is because I was entry level in 2002 and am one step from the top of the scale now, as I would expect for most people in a career over 20 years. Starting salaries have not doubled in 20 years and that is concerning, because rents have at least doubled in my area, and home prices have about doubled as well.
For the record, I still refuse to pay $600 for a GPU. Again...teacher. My latest build from Dec 2022 was under $1000 and features a 6800XT I was lucky to find mismarketed as a base 6800 for $400.
My point is don't look down on others, you don't know their timelines or situations. It would be easy for me to condescend to you, I started at double your current salary. I do not make double my starting now, a decade plus later. My career highs were within a few years of starting.
The onus is not on the worker, if people are healthy and available and put effort in, it's on society to find a place for them and give them living wages rewarding that effort. I always see the opposite, people smug on their situation if it's favorable, leaving key details out, then usually getting triggered if someone higher up says something. That can all be stopped if the whole focus on income especially at the proletariat level stops. My career has put me in unfortunate contact with the upper classes, I have very little respect for the highest income careers and positions I've been exposed to. I have far more respect for those that work at any level, including teachers, but blue collar, freelance, uber drivers I don't care what anyone does I have compassion and sympathy for them, and I get personally annoyed when I see people dismiss that work effort and struggle. I'd struggled growing up poor and had a very rough start, including paying off massive student loans, and of course delaying my earnings due to education in the first place.
I hope something constructive comes out of our exchange. I perhaps overreacted, as I said I take this issue personally and seriously, from having heard and seen too much at this point in my life. And I don't mean to single you out or paint you more negatively than what you said, it just generally falls under the same what I consider generally arrogant and ignorant class warfare I'd rather not see. Most of the time it comes from Joe the Plumber types and grifters that steal from taxpayer money to begin with.
4k enough. You cant see pixels when comparing 4k and hd side by side unlike hd. But 4k is so much better that it should be enough for a long time. And I predict that there is a long road till middle low end GPUs can run it at 60fps.
4k is simply destroying most GPUs that run games on high or in samn instances ultra.
LetTheWookieWin
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At the risk of going off topic, I simply cannot agree with this statement. If you are healthy, able-bodied, and willing to put the work in, the onus is on you as an individual to take ownership of your own personal well-being and career trajectory. Personally, I wouldn’t want anyone else (society or government) to tell me what I need to do instead of relying on what I can determine for myself.
I am not trying to be dismissive of your perspective, but I think this type of thinking leaves people feeling disempowered, anxious/unhappy, and results in missing out on tremendous untapped potential.
Superconductor
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Nvidia share holders have been laughing all the way to the bank ...
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