Nvidia RTX 5000 graphics cards to offer DisplayPort 2.1 and PCIe 5.0 support, built on...

[m3tavision]

SO, NVidia is finally catching up to Radeon 7000 series..? Which already support those standards.... lol.

And nobody cares about RTX5000 bcz it is not based on gaming architecture, but more of that lop-sided Ada CUDA crap for Prosumers, not gamers.

Even RTX4080 gets torn up on COD by the

 

[Stingy McDuck]

I wonder if they will keep making huge cards or will they reduce in size.

 

[poshflamingos]

"15% performance improvement compared to 5nm, along with better efficiency (~30%)"

In this context performance IS efficiency, how can these numbers be different?!

At best I can intepret it to be, "At the same performance level it is 30% more efficient then 5nm, but if you increase it to run at the same power as previously quoted 5nm comparison, then it is only 15% faster, due to diminishing power efficiency at higher levels.". Or is 30% more efficient at an optimal power envelope, and but it reach 15% higher as an upper limit?

The rule of thumb is that, for any given chip, to get an X increase in performance you need an X^2 increase in power consumption. Getting 10% more performance costs a 21% increase in consumption (1.1 * 1.1 = 1.21). Getting 50% more performance costs a 125% increase in consumption (1.5 * 1.5 = 2.25). And doubling performance quadruples power consumption. Those aren't exact numbers and it can vary by manufacturing process and chip architecture, but it's roughly how frequency and power are correlated in any processor.

It works the other way around too, which is why you can power limit hungry GPUs and CPUs to, say, 70% of their stock TDP and lose only 5% or 10% of their performance.

That's what those numbers mean. 3 nm will consume about 30% less power than 5 nm to deliver the same performance; or it will deliver about 15% more performance at the same power consumption as 5 nm. That's a natural consequence of the exponential relationship between performance/frequency and power consumption. So if you have a 5 nm chip that consumes 15W and scores 10,000 on Cinebench, and you shrink it to 3 nm, you can choose between having a 10.5W chip that scores the same 10,000 points, or keeping it at 15W and scoring 11,500 instead.

 

[godrilla]

Will Nvidia update their gsync module to display port 2.1?

MSRP or actual price? Because the 4090 still sometimes goes for over 2k

Even the 3090ti Kingpin launched at $2500 about 18 months ago.

IMO, nVidia improving pricing for gamers is wishful thinking.

CES 2024 Nvidia is rumored launch the 4080 super, 4070ti super, and 4070 super with improved pricing/performance in less than 2 months from now.

DP 2.1 built on TSMC 3nm, with GDDR7 and PciE 5. I expect a price bump of at least 50%.
Now how about that frame buffer? Still 8GB for 1080p cards?

Today the mighty 4090 can't drive latest AAA RT titles at 4K 60FPS whitout FG and DLSS. Going to take at least
a decade for 8K 165Hz. Didn't Jensen told you that More's law is dead? Don't expect more than 3-5% more perf from a 5090 vs 4090.

Current rumors are double performance. Take that with a grain of salt though.

 

[GTP USER 91]

Can't wait for my RTX 2060 super to become a lower end GPU by the launch of 5000 series

 

[Burty117]

Can't wait for my RTX 2060 super to become a lower end GPU by the launch of 5000 series

What does this even mean? I assume sarcasm.

You're upset that the lowest end RT capable GPU, that was overall a midrange GPU in normal raster performance, 5 years ago, is now considered lower end by today's standards?

Your expectations are wild...

 

[godrilla]

What does this even mean? I assume sarcasm.

You're upset that the lowest end RT capable GPU, that was overall a midrange GPU in normal raster performance, 5 years ago, is now considered lower end by today's standards?

Your expectations are wild...

With every succession naturally the previous generation tier moves down one notch. So the 2060 moved from medium to low tier when 3060 dropped and should have been considered entry level when 4060 dropped ( but the performance delta stagnated this generation in the mid to low end). Who knows what the integrated graphics for strix point apu/ meteor lake will bring but the 2060 might be competing with integrated graphics soon.

 

[Burty117]

With every succession naturally the previous generation tier moves down one notch. So the 2060 moved from medium to low tier when 3060 dropped and should have been considered entry level when 4060 dropped ( but the performance delta stagnated this generation in the mid to low end). Who knows what the integrated graphics for strix point apu/ meteor lake will bring but the 2060 might be competing with integrated graphics soon.

You just repeated my point, it’s the person I quoted who seems to be confused.

 

[godrilla]

You just repeated my point, it’s the person I quoted who seems to be confused.

Yes but you said low end, it's actually entry level tier there is a difference.

 

[Burty117]

Yes but you said low end, it's actually entry level tier there is a difference.

Touché

 

[poshflamingos]

but the 2060 might be competing with integrated graphics soon.

That's not gonna happen any time soon, because integrated graphics are still limited by memory bandwidth. DDR5-6400 gives you 102.4 GB/s in dual channel, while the RTX 2060 has 336 GB/s and the 2060 Super has 448 GB/s. No point in making giant iGPUs when they won't have the memory bandwidth to stretch their legs anyway. Cache can help, but it doesn't do miracles.
I'd expect DDR5-based integrated graphics to reach somewhere around GTX 1060 level at most.

 

[wiyosaya]

DisplayPort can be used to transmit audio and video simultaneously, although each can be transmitted without the other. The video signal path can range from six to sixteen bits per color channel, and the audio path can have up to eight channels of 24-bit, 192 kHz uncompressed PCM audio.
Wikipedia

I think the problem is that HDMI is the more ingrained Audio/Video standard - especially in the home theater market place, and it currently seems unlikely that DP will supplant HDMI because of that. It was around several years before DP, and if you ask me, it was another of those Betamax/VHS or HD-DVD/Blu-ray competitions where HDMI has won the battle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI DP was late to market compared to HDMI and lost the battle by virtue of being a late-arriving and competing format.

 

[wiyosaya]

CES 2024 Nvidia is rumored launch the 4080 super, 4070ti super, and 4070 super with improved pricing/performance in less than 2 months from now.

Maybe, but right now, its just rumor, and the rumor is completely uncharacteristic of nVidia.

 

[wiyosaya]

No because it's incomaptible with the HDMI Consortium Requirements that if you license HDMI, you can't provide any other digital connection. VGA is fine as that's Analog.

If licensing HDMI excludes using any other digital connection, then why does the 12GB 3060 I purchased a few months back have both HDMI and Display Port connections on it?

Obviously, your statement about licensing HDMI excluding one from using any other digital connection is incorrect.

 

[GTP USER 91]

What does this even mean? I assume sarcasm.

You're upset that the lowest end RT capable GPU, that was overall a midrange GPU in normal raster performance, 5 years ago, is now considered lower end by today's standards?

Your expectations are wild...

DUH

 

[GTP USER 91]

You guys fighting over my sarcasm post related to 2060 Super , it was all sarcasm and my GPU is capable of good gaming performance and I can play most of the titles at high/ultra high settings.

It is 5 Years old but it can handle gaming upto 2k and I bet most of us play on 1080p and very less people play on 2k or above.

 

[godrilla]

You guys fighting over my sarcasm post related to 2060 Super , it was all sarcasm and my GPU is capable of good gaming performance and I can play most of the titles at high/ultra high settings.

It is 5 Years old but it can handle gaming upto 2k and I bet most of us play on 1080p and very less people play on 2k or above.

To be fair the 2060 super does have 8 gigs of vram, supports dlss 2.x nomenclature and just made it slightly above the minimum requirements for AlanWake 2. If we compare it to the lowest end offerings this generation at 1440p it is trailing by about 25% compared to the 7600xt in 15 game average TS review which is not bad for a card that launched in July 2019.

AMD Radeon RX 7600 Review Photo Gallery - TechSpot

View 44 detailed pictures from our AMD Radeon RX 7600 Review, close-up photos in high resolution.

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I guess we can only l hope that it doesn't become e-waste in 2025 although the brute force of an engine called Unreal engine 5.0 might make it obsolete sooner or later unfortunately.
update
Based on tpu's Unreal engine 5 games so far we are looking at slightly above 30 fps @ 1080p for the 2060 super (ouch )

Remnant II Benchmark Test & Performance Analysis

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[GTP USER 91]

To be fair the 2060 super does have 8 gigs of vram, supports dlss 2.x nomenclature and just made it slightly above the minimum requirements for AlanWake 2. If we compare it to the lowest end offerings this generation at 1440p it is trailing by about 25% compared to the 7600xt in 15 game average TS review which is not bad for a card that launched in July 2019.

AMD Radeon RX 7600 Review Photo Gallery - TechSpot

View 44 detailed pictures from our AMD Radeon RX 7600 Review, close-up photos in high resolution.

www.techspot.com

I guess we can only l hope that it doesn't become e-waste in 2025 although the brute force of an engine called Unreal engine 5.0 might make it obsolete sooner or later unfortunately.
update
Based on tpu's Unreal engine 5 games so far we are looking at slightly above 30 fps @ 1080p for the 2060 super (ouch )

Remnant II Benchmark Test & Performance Analysis

Remnant II is one of the first titles to use Unreal Engine 5. UE5 introduces many improvements, like Nanite virtual geometry, Lumen lighting and improvements to the shader compilation process. In our performance review, we're taking a closer look at image quality, VRAM usage, and performance on...

www.techpowerup.com

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Yea well nothing can be done with such things but one thing to notice is that most of the people don't even have a good GPU and many use the GTX series while I have a RTX 2060 Super

So yea I kind of feel priviliged for having a good GPU for its time (the time is now also)

 

[godrilla]

Yea well nothing can be done with such things but one thing to notice is that most of the people don't even have a good GPU and many use the GTX series while I have a RTX 2060 Super

So yea I kind of feel priviliged for having a good GPU for its time (the time is now also)

True many do have potato level graphics hardware but the current steam survey had the rtx 3060 gpu take the lead as well, so there is that. Newegg has a MSI 3060 today for for $221.99 after rebate card. A used 2060 super on ebay is still selling for $199. The crazy part is that Nvidia is marketing the 4060 ( selling for $289 currently) as a 1080p card for " the time is now" gaming. for about 10 to 15% in price you can upgrade your performance by 25 to 30% currently if you sell your 2060 super and apply funds to next purchase.