Nvidia RTX 5090 owner reports MSI's yellow-tipped 12V-2×6 power cable melted despite foolproof design

Again… this is specifically about MSI’s coloured connector… you aren’t grasping this I fear…
How this MSI coloured connector differ from already burnt ones? It has some yellow paint slapped on it. I'm assuming that adding some paint on connector does not magically fix physical problems that it has. Pretty good assumption, or what?

So far everyone that have downplayed this burnt connector issue have been wrong every time. Because MSI didn't redesign connector, just slapped some paint on it, I see no reason to change my assumption.
 
How this MSI coloured connector differ from already burnt ones? It has some yellow paint slapped on it. I'm assuming that adding some paint on connector does not magically fix physical problems that it has. Pretty good assumption, or what?

So far everyone that have downplayed this burnt connector issue have been wrong every time. Because MSI didn't redesign connector, just slapped some paint on it, I see no reason to change my assumption.
No one has any evidence as to exactly what has caused the problems… MSI claims that their version may have “fixed” it…
Are they right? Probably not but… one unverified claim doesn’t prove or disprove anything… your continual diatribes ALSO prove nothing…
 
This cable is different than other ones because, well, it has yellow colour on it. That colour suddenly makes it more durable? Right. Connector is badly designed and adding some colour on it does not "fix" it. Simple as that.

And it didn't help. Connector is badly designed so adding some colour on it didn't help. Surprising isn't it?

Problem is: some claim all those cable burns were user error or something similar. Now, we have this kind of colour thing that was supposed to eliminate user error thing. And as we can see:

1. problem still exists
2. user error or not, this colour thing is not magically making problem disappear

We can safely conclude this "solution" is ineffective.
Why can't you grasp that one case of one coloured connector from one brand does not mean anything.
It's not even verified.

Now I will go off topic, hopefully that will make the specific issue in THIS thread clear to you.

1. Yes, lot's of melts. Probably a user proof coloured cable won't solve the issue becuase it's been found there are amateur errors within the card it'self. For example regardless of how great the cable was, if an RTX 5090 drew say 75w from the PCIe, very little from connector one, a little bit more from connector 2, and then all the rest through cable 3 it could end up drawing way over what one power slot is designed for.

Wether or not the 3rd slot had the regular cable or the colored one referenced in this thread both would melt. Any connection would over heat regardless of the quality of the cable.

This is a big and inexcusable problem. NV messed up bad. On that we agree. I don't think making super safe cables will solve the problem.

So HARDRESET:

The point that both myself and SquidSurprise are trying to point out is that this one example proves nothing that's not already known.
No real judgement can be made from one case for a whole line of cards. One case means nothing.
Additional as many, including yourself have noted, there are genuine melting problems and it would seem it's due to the amateurish way NV didn't implement a proper power distribution system.

Finally, if they had implemented it properly, so draw say 50w from the PCIe and then divide the rest of the power draw more or less equally among the others, then any cable, if properly plugged in (which I am sure the majority of people do - but that's a guess) there shouldn't be any cases of melting cables except for defective cards, regular or colored cable.

In the above paragraph scenario where the power sharing was done properly there would likely be one or two melted cables, there would likely be a few isolated problems with anything you can imagine, literally anything.

Electronics of all kinds have a failure rate. It varies, but it's between 1% to 3%.

So one issue of one serious problem (as long as it doesn't injure/ kill people) Will happen.

That's why we have RMA.

But these NV cards do have a very real problem, agreed. I don't know what the % of melting connectors of any type is, but it's clearly above what is industry acceptable. So many reports of it. I wouldn't be surprised if this melting happened, overtime to over 10% of cards. Totally unacceptable. It may be much higher.

I would be very interested to know roughly what the percentage of melted cables (of any kind) is. That would be very interesting to know. Does anyone know that figure? 2ndly What do you guys recokon the % of melting cable is at a guess?

So to HARDRESET. You mentioned a lot of repair shop cases, unreported cases and other things. I believe all you say, no argument there.
So if you know, or had to guess what do you think the real % of cards sold have melting cables?? I know the real figure is impossible for us to know, and NV play it down, but roughly you know first hand about this problem (repair shop comments) at a rough guess how high do you think the failure rate of power sockets/melting cards is??
 
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No one has any evidence as to exactly what has caused the problems… MSI claims that their version may have “fixed” it…
Are they right? Probably not but… one unverified claim doesn’t prove or disprove anything… your continual diatribes ALSO prove nothing…
Adding colour on connector does not physically fix it. Right? Simple as that.

You also have zero evidence outside this article. And like said before, I have seen more than enough downplaying about this issue. And so far those downplayers (user error, no evidence etc etc) have been proven wrong after some time. Basically you have nothing to say except downplaying issue saying "we don't know" -type of stuff. Problem is, connector problems are documented and well known already.

Why can't you grasp that one case of one coloured connector from one brand does not mean anything.
It's not even verified.
Because I ASSUME that adding colour to connector does not fix it. Care to tell me WHY it fixes it?
Now I will go off topic, hopefully that will make the specific issue in THIS thread clear to you.

1. Yes, lot's of melts. Probably a user proof coloured cable won't solve the issue becuase it's been found there are amateur errors within the card it'self. For example regardless of how great the cable was, if an RTX 5090 drew say 75w from the PCIe, very little from connector one, a little bit more from connector 2, and then all the rest through cable 3 it could end up drawing way over what one power slot is designed for.

Wether or not the 3rd slot had the regular cable or the colored one referenced in this thread both would melt. Any connection would over heat regardless of the quality of the cable.

This is a big and inexcusable problem. NV messed up bad. On that we agree. I don't think making super safe cables will solve the problem.

So HARDRESET:

The point that both myself and SquidSurprise are trying to point out is that this one example proves nothing that's not already known.
No real judgement can be made from one case for a whole line of cards. One case means nothing.
Additional as many, including yourself have noted, there are genuine melting problems and it would seem it's due to the amateurish way NV didn't implement a proper power distribution system.

Finally, if they had implemented it properly, so draw say 50w from the PCIe and then divide the rest of the power draw more or less equally among the others, then any cable, if properly plugged in (which I am sure the majority of people do - but that's a guess) there shouldn't be any cases of melting cables except for defective cards, regular or colored cable.
Like always in this type of cases, you say that there is no evidence that many "yellow cables" have burnt. Well, do you have evidence what many "yellow cables" have NOT burnt? How about giving some statistics about that? Oh, you don't have. I don't have either. What happens when there are NO evidence on either side? Then it's speculation, assumptions etc etc.

Now, what I'm trying to tell is that adding some colour on connector that has already proven badly designed does not make it any better. Pretty good speculation, I think.
In the above paragraph scenario where the power sharing was done properly there would likely be one or two melted cables, there would likely be a few isolated problems with anything you can imagine, literally anything.

Electronics of all kinds have a failure rate. It varies, but it's between 1% to 3%.

So one issue of one serious problem (as long as it doesn't injure/ kill people) Will happen.

That's why we have RMA.

But these NV cards do have a very real problem, agreed. I don't know what the % of melting connectors of any type is, but it's clearly above what is industry acceptable. So many reports of it. I wouldn't be surprised if this melting happened, overtime to over 10% of cards. Totally unacceptable. It may be much higher.

I would be very interested to know roughly what the percentage of melted cables (of any kind) is. That would be very interesting to know. Does anyone know that figure? 2ndly What do you guys recokon the % of melting cable is at a guess?

So to HARDRESET. You mentioned a lot of repair shop cases, unreported cases and other things. I believe all you say, no argument there.
So if you know, or had to guess what do you think the real % of cards sold have melting cables?? I know the real figure is impossible for us to know, and NV play it down, but roughly you know first hand about this problem (repair shop comments) at a rough guess how high do you think the failure rate of power sockets/melting cards is??
It's pretty much impossible to know because OEM manufacturers rarely want to tell publicly their products have high failure rates. Bad business, that is. And of course Nvidia don't want to admit they screwed up. In other words, everything regarding this burning connector is mostly speculation because there are no Hard evidence.

However what have somewhat proven is that single repair shop receives significant amount of "retail" bought Nvidia cards (OEMs probably handles repairs other way) and connector has severe design problems. Those things prove connector is much more prone to burning than 6/8-pin PCIe connectors. Then comes issue with this yellow connector. While there is even less statistics about this "yellow connector", problem still remains: this yellow connector is physically same as "black connector", so how that yellow thing suddenly makes it more durable?

Just saying that "it's just one case" and "we don't have any statistics" is not taking us anywhere. Because manufacturers can use different colour on every connector they ship and then every "different coloured" connector would be "different". And so we would only have one case of every connector because they all have different colours and then sample size for each connector is at most one. Despite all being made physically same. Then, all problems solved.
 
Adding colour on connector does not physically fix it. Right? Simple as that.

You also have zero evidence outside this article. And like said before, I have seen more than enough downplaying about this issue. And so far those downplayers (user error, no evidence etc etc) have been proven wrong after some time. Basically you have nothing to say except downplaying issue saying "we don't know" -type of stuff. Problem is, connector problems are documented and well known already.


Because I ASSUME that adding colour to connector does not fix it. Care to tell me WHY it fixes it?

Like always in this type of cases, you say that there is no evidence that many "yellow cables" have burnt. Well, do you have evidence what many "yellow cables" have NOT burnt? How about giving some statistics about that? Oh, you don't have. I don't have either. What happens when there are NO evidence on either side? Then it's speculation, assumptions etc etc.

Now, what I'm trying to tell is that adding some colour on connector that has already proven badly designed does not make it any better. Pretty good speculation, I think.

It's pretty much impossible to know because OEM manufacturers rarely want to tell publicly their products have high failure rates. Bad business, that is. And of course Nvidia don't want to admit they screwed up. In other words, everything regarding this burning connector is mostly speculation because there are no Hard evidence.

However what have somewhat proven is that single repair shop receives significant amount of "retail" bought Nvidia cards (OEMs probably handles repairs other way) and connector has severe design problems. Those things prove connector is much more prone to burning than 6/8-pin PCIe connectors. Then comes issue with this yellow connector. While there is even less statistics about this "yellow connector", problem still remains: this yellow connector is physically same as "black connector", so how that yellow thing suddenly makes it more durable?

Just saying that "it's just one case" and "we don't have any statistics" is not taking us anywhere. Because manufacturers can use different colour on every connector they ship and then every "different coloured" connector would be "different". And so we would only have one case of every connector because they all have different colours and then sample size for each connector is at most one. Despite all being made physically same. Then, all problems solved.
You keep making assumptions - that might be correct and might not… repeating the same thing doesn’t make it accurate though.

Until we see more of these SPECIFIC cards burn, we can make ANY conclusions…
 
You keep making assumptions - that might be correct and might not… repeating the same thing doesn’t make it accurate though.

Until we see more of these SPECIFIC cards burn, we can make ANY conclusions…
Of course. We probably will Never know how many cards using this connector has burned and will burn some day. Therefore this news is nothing more than speculation and discussion about speculation is of course speculation too.
 
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