HardwareHunt365
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Even a sandwich would know that using DLSS at 4K means, what is displayed on-screen is no longer native. If you can't even get that point in my earlier comment, no one can save you.
Nvidia says over 80% of GeForce RTX GPU owners use DLSS
- Thread starter Daniel Sims
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Seriously? Maybe I bought a bad PC. I've got an RTX 3060 in my gaming rig and every time I've tried DLSS the performance and graphic quality was sh!t. I get much better graphics and performance when it's turned off. The first thing I do now when I download a new game is go into settings and turn DLSS off. I'm not saying it's bad, but in my own experience it's been terrible. Of course I could be wrong and everyone else is getting the benefit.
From your comment
" With DLSS 4, CP2077 RT Overdrive can hit high triple-digit frame rates at 4K, which is something I thought we'd see in future-future GPUs."
m3tavision
Posts: 1,733 +1,510
Correct^
NVidia is trying to charge a premium, for new people to upscale.... BCZ their GPU's are not powerful enough to handle native resolutions and need gimmicks.
Understand, that YOU place too much importance in a technology that does nothing for new buyers and also happen to get in the way of high-end gaming.
If you buy any GPU in 2025 and are HOPING/WISHING to use upscaling, you are doing it wrong. Buy a used GPU one and upscale to your hearts content.
Upscaling (ie DLSS/FSR) is for older or current GPUs, so that you do not have to buy a new GPU (you can just use pseudo-upscaling to get frames). Why would someone be upscaling a game.. then spend $800 and still be upscaling that game.
Used RTX4070 are going for $380..
I'll admit, I played through Cyberpunk in Psycho mode on my 3090 with all settings turned way up not-knowing exactly what DLSS was. Once I actually sat through a short explanation of DLSS, just like Ray Tracing, I felt it was OK, but still in its infancy. AI enhancements will ultimately lead to higher quality DLSS, higher quality Ray Tracing, Upscaling and noise reduction without requiring $2000 add-on GPUs.
Not a big fan of dlss personally. If I want to game at 4K, I want to see the clarity and majesty of the full blown resolution. I don't want any watered down jizz soup, half egged, variety of it. You may as well just drop your resolution, if you're struggling at a certain res. Dlss is nothing more than a gimmick in my opinion.
How many of those 80% are using upscaling because the game optimisation is trash and they have no choice but to use it to get somewhat playable performance?
Achaios
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Τhis statement is almost meaningless.
My counter:
"100% of GeForce GTX GPU ownes DO NOT I repeat NOT use DLSS. They use AMD FSR instead".
I am one of them.
DLSS is so widely used now, one day Nvidia will actually start to train the
upscaler AI model how an actual powerline should look like
upscaler AI model how an actual powerline should look like
According to Nvidia the Transformer dlss 4.0 upscaler is coming to rtx 2000 series and up. Some are speculating this is because of FSR 4 and rumored rdna4 rt performance just cought up to Nvidia ( in terms of generational parity)
TechSavy101
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It depends on the game. I saw ghosting in Cyberpunk 2077 & turned it off for good. Some games its worth.
Right.... Nvidia boasting that people are using that disgusting vaseline effect on textures and every single detail as if it's a good thing makes me lol.
This just shows 2 things...
1) DLSS is on by default and many people have no clue how to tweak their game graphics settings and...
2) People wanted to game at real 4k for years and have no choice but to compromise on a glorified ai upscaler because both amd and nvidia have dropped the ball for generations, selling us trashbin gpus with gimmick features that destroys your moving visuals for a small percentage of fps increase and a massive price increase in the process for that proprietary useless piece of junk die that they call ai tech.
Give us proper cards, not ai accelerators with integrated gpus, so we can finally play real games at real 120 frames at real 4k res on any game at max settings.
Enough with the proprietary and expensive blurry mess that nobody asked for, enough with useless shadow raytracing or water reflex raytracing at 25fps on a 4080.
NVIDIA, AMD...NOBODY ASKED FOR THIS
Enough is Enough.
This just shows 2 things...
1) DLSS is on by default and many people have no clue how to tweak their game graphics settings and...
2) People wanted to game at real 4k for years and have no choice but to compromise on a glorified ai upscaler because both amd and nvidia have dropped the ball for generations, selling us trashbin gpus with gimmick features that destroys your moving visuals for a small percentage of fps increase and a massive price increase in the process for that proprietary useless piece of junk die that they call ai tech.
Give us proper cards, not ai accelerators with integrated gpus, so we can finally play real games at real 120 frames at real 4k res on any game at max settings.
Enough with the proprietary and expensive blurry mess that nobody asked for, enough with useless shadow raytracing or water reflex raytracing at 25fps on a 4080.
NVIDIA, AMD...NOBODY ASKED FOR THIS
Enough is Enough.
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m3tavision
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JamesBlond
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Not that many games out there I like, and 90% of them don't have DLSS..... how can I use it?
Tran Bronstein
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This. There's a huge danger that they are in fact leading up to precisely this. Subscription fidelity. The moment this becomes the norm is the moment I stop upgrading and buying new games.
Tran Bronstein
Posts: 55 +88
All technological improvement can be used for both good and bad. Upscaling was intended to help less powerful cards perform a bit better with more demanding games. Instead, developers have been using as a way to cheat out of optimizing modern games properly. It becomes especially egregious when you start seeing the "Vaseline" effect on screen.
m3tavision
Posts: 1,733 +1,510
NO..!
The RTX patch earlier this year when Call of Duty 6 was released... enabled DLSS in the driver.
4 days after that patch went live, Steam pushed a Survey.
My question to you is, coincidence, or planned...?
HardwareHunt365
Posts: 145 +139
If you are seeing less-than-stellar image quality with DLSS turned on, then it's probably a "YOU" issue, not DLSS. I usually always enable DLSS (Quality) when a game supports it, and FG for more visually demanding games.
The ones complaining most likely:
Agreed. It is a FACT that DLSS can overcome the shortcomings of native rendering (look it up).
The ones complaining most likely:
- Don't own an RTX GPU,
- Are trying to take a "moral" stance, which typically makes zero difference as they're the ones losing out,
- Or are simply trolls like this one:
m3tavision
Posts: 1,733 +1,510
Most PC gamers don't need upscaling, it's usually little kids on laptops that have no way of upgrading their laptop, that are stuck using it.
Secondly, every GTX (ie GTX1080ti) Gamer out there is using FSR. If you do not understand why, then you are the one trolling.
Lastly, upscaling is for OLD video cards, when they can not push gaming Frames on newer games. Upscaling is NOT a selling point on NEW GPU's... ...BEACUSE you buy a new GPU to get away from upscaling and gimmicks.
Otherwise, why would never need to buy a high-end Nvidia GPU (if you are just going to upscale anyways?).
HardwareHunt365
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Claiming "most PC gamers don’t need upscaling" is highly reductive and ignores the reality of modern gaming trends. Upscaling technologies like DLSS and FSR are widely used by gamers at all levels to improve performance and visual fidelity. As for the second part of your comment, it ironically comes across as juvenile, so I won’t bother addressing it further.
Calling the 80% adoption rate for RTX GPUs "meaningless" completely disregards the significance of DLSS among RTX users. The article specifically focuses on RTX GPUs and their DLSS adoption rates, so bringing GTX users into the discussion is irrelevant and distracts from the main point, it's implied trolling at best. And now you're accusing me of trolling? What?
What is the purpose of this comment? Again, the article is clearly about RTX GPUs and DLSS adoption rates. If you want to digress into a rabbit hole about older GPUs and upscaling, that's entirely unrelated to the discussion at hand. Upscaling is a core feature of modern GPUs (and a massive selling point), including the upcoming RTX 50 series. Your statement is factually incorrect and completely misses the point.
The top 12 GPUs on the Steam Hardware Survey (disclaimer: feel free to skip the rest of this comment if you believe the survey is "faked," as that's the typical lazy retort) are all Nvidia GPUs.
There's a clear reason for this: gamers recognize the value of Nvidia's features and vote with their wallets. Forums and discussion boards often amplify minority opinions that don’t reflect the majority of gamers' preferences. Based on the quality of this "question," it's doubtful you’ve properly read or understood the context of the discussion.
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