On the brink: Atlantic Ocean current is getting closer to collapse

[brunocasarini]

Ok we can all relax - Bruno (the well-known font of knowledge on the environment and world climate model) has told us it's ok.

Another eco-BS article, another mass media-driven slave who would rather believe in what unknown people tell him instead of looking to the facts and data from the real world. I'm still waiting for any of the world-ending catastrophes predicted in the last 50 years to happen - specially that sea-level rising one predicted by the crook Al Gore. If that's really going to happen, why have him, John Kerry, Barack Obama, Bill Gates, and other climate alarmists warning about rapidly rising sea levels purchased large beachfront properties?

 

[mbk34]

dude, some of them think the planet is flat and that the world was created like 6000 years ago ... what did you expect ?

I think you're probably right. I can partially accept people not understanding the science but selectively ignoring the science simply because it affects their taxes is just beyond me.

No point in beating everyday people over the head with stuff like this. We can't do anything to fix it and we contribute the least towards it, but internet copy paste journalists enjoy the revenue from the scary clickbait headlines.

Everyone can do their bit to reduce emissions. This applies to countries as well as people. America produces the 2nd highest C02 emissions after China. China has promised to reduce it's emissions by 65% by 2030 while America's previous president just spoke about "beautiful clean coal".

 

[OortCloud]

Another eco-BS article, another mass media-driven slave who would rather believe in what unknown people tell him instead of looking to the facts and data from the real world. I'm still waiting for any of the world-ending catastrophes predicted in the last 50 years to happen - specially that sea-level rising one predicted by the crook Al Gore. If that's really going to happen, why have him, John Kerry, Barack Obama, Bill Gates, and other climate alarmists warning about rapidly rising sea levels purchased large beachfront properties?

And the moon is flat and made of cheese, yes?

 

[gmdsr]

Here we go again. Since all the other doom sayers and end of the world predictions were ALL WRONG! Now we have a new tactic. The Gulf stream is collapsing. Really wished these people were sent to Mars or someplace where they can't hurt anyone. Funny, They can't predict the weather 100% accurately because it's too difficult, but they can predict climate change, global warming, Gulf stream collapes etc... Everytime they are proved wrong or no one believes them they come up with a new scheme. Al Gore became a multi millionaire on climate change. Although he made nothing when he invented the internet.

 

[MakeMSGreatAgain]

Honestly both sides have good points. I think we simply are unfortunately heavily swayed by insufficient data. I think everyone needs to do their part to try and reduce waste. This can be done in nearly every aspect if your life, with the trash or recycling that you use, the electricity that you use, the carbon you output from combustion engines, the electronics you buy and get rid of... all of it.

But the biggest effort needs to be done by the large companies who create all this stuff for us to enjoy and live our lives. Companies making phones that only last a couple years, making it extremely difficult to replace parts, no good ways to recycle old parts, making vehicles that break down and require more parts, plastics we can't recycle. etc. etc. etc.

Unfortunately nearly all businesses primary goal is GREED, and that is what really drives the world, and subsequently, world politics and the policies it creates. Until people running these companies and governments can stop being greedy and corrupt, we will always be circling the proverbial bowl.

Remember Google's ironic and now disappointing phrase? "Don't be evil". Hah... just kidding!

 

[Bamda]

Good times ahead. Joy!

 

[Endymio]

And the moon is flat and made of cheese, yes?

A theory just as wacky as the belief that a 1.5C temperature rise (of which we've already experienced half) means the end of life on a planet that annually experiences temperatures ranging from -50F to over 100F.

 

[TempleOrion]

Yeah. It's a bad thing to cry wolf. I thought that was obvious

Errr... no. Not when there IS an actual wolf at the door. JHC

 

[m4a4]

Errr... no. Not when there IS an actual wolf at the door. JHC

0/50 alarmist predictions came to pass. But yeah, I agree the 51st is the real one, now throw your money at me so I can fix the problem this time

 

[Underdog]

People certainly are the main reason for the state things are in at the moment and consumerism is one root cause. We need to consume less. After all, manufacturing sucks up a finite supply of raw materials and a great deal of energy. In the past things were made to last as long as possible. Today they are made to last barely until the warranty runs out. There is a constant bombardment by media hyping up the latest, greatest, biggest, fastest, up to date fashionable piece of throwaway shite that we must buy if we are to keep up with everyone else. All these "obsolete" products are now threatening to turn the planet into a festering unhealthy tip.

We are trained into this consumerist mindset from childhood by big business. Globalisation now rules in a more powerful way than many governments, and in fact is a far more influential force than those governments. ie. the tobacco industries lobbying to prevent anti smoking legislation, companies like Monsanto planting ex employees to present "independent" research claiming that chemicals like glyphosate, etc. are safe and suppressing truly valid evidence to the contrary. What that company has done to agriculture in India and elsewhere is a shocking story that people need to investigate.

Capitalism has been hijacked by big business, and the mantra of never ending growth is a one way ticket to serious global consequences. Continual growth in the pursuit of more and more profits leads to cutting corners at every opportunity. It will appear to be working to get more and more stuff into the hands of the people but pushes a much higher number of people elsewhere into deeper poverty and the planet itself into self destruction. I sincerely wish there was a viable alternative to capitalism. I'm even getting fed up with democracy itself now that I have seen how the UK Conservatives have manipulated it to serve their own agenda.

The eco-fanatics preach their mantra "Save the planet" but I believe its the people that need saving, from themselves. The planet will survive without us.

 

[Endymio]

manufacturing sucks up a finite supply of raw materials....

So far, we've used less than 0.000001% of the raw materials in the earth's crust, and 0% of the far larger supply available elsewhere in the solar system. The sky isn't falling, Chicken Little.

In the past things were made to last as long as possible. Today they are made to last barely until the warranty runs out.

Stuff and nonsense. The cars I purchased in the 1960s and 70s generally fell apart after 50K to 100K miles. Today, a well-maintained vehicle will last five times that long. As for consumer goods -- in 1965, a 25" color TV was so expensive that most families couldn't afford even one. When you shell out a couple month's salary for an item -- you expect it to last. When you get it for free with a McDonald's Happy Meal -- you don't.

....the mantra of never ending growth is a one way ticket to serious global consequences.

If you're not growing, you're stagnating. Or worse-- dying out. Take your pick.

I sincerely wish there was a viable alternative to capitalism

Paraphrasing Winston Churchill, "capitalism is the worst of all systems -- except for everything else we've ever tried."

 

[Kam7r]

Paraphrasing Winston Churchill, "capitalism is the worst of all systems -- except for everything else we've ever tried."

Maybe it's time to try something new