Once again the FCC votes 3-2 to reinstitute Title II net neutrality rules

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People are making way too many assumptions and they are trying to make too many excuses for the theoretical limits of the infrastructure when that infrastructure is paid by you multiple times with both the subscription and the taxes you pay to the state. The infrastructure in the US, which is 100% controlled by the ISPs, is built with government money, aka your money.

If your neighbour is affecting your internet, then you can 100% blame the ISP. It is their fault for poor, cheap, old equipment and cables.

Come to Bucharest, where almost everybody has 1Gbps internet for 9$ unlimited monthly and tell me that my neighbours are affecting my internet. If I see any drop in internet stability, I immediately call the ISP and 100% of the time it is because they are either repairing or changing something to the local infrastructure.

You're seriously trying to compare Bucharest to the entire US? Let's see, Bucharest is about 226 sq km, whereas the US is 9.6M, sq km. Population, 1.7M to 333M. Delivering Internet across the US is multiple orders of magnitude harder than supplying Internet to a single city.

It's really hard to do a direct comparison between our 2 countries because they are vastly different in regard to taxation and economics. But I do see that Romania has had some investment from the EU for Internet build-out, so those are someone's tax dollars as well.

The US can do better, there's no question, but supplying Internet to even half of the US population is far more costly than anything Bucharest has done. We do need to overhaul our laws regarding Internet service providers. Competition was limited in the beginning and the build-out was largely government funded. However, in 2020 private sector companies invested nearly $80B USD (in a single year) compared to the $65B the Federal government will spend over the next 10 years.

 

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You're seriously trying to compare Bucharest to the entire US? Let's see, Bucharest is about 226 sq km, whereas the US is 9.6M, sq km. Population, 1.7M to 333M. Delivering Internet across the US is multiple orders of magnitude harder than supplying Internet to a single city.

It's really hard to do a direct comparison between our 2 countries because they are vastly different in regard to taxation and economics. But I do see that Romania has had some investment from the EU for Internet build-out, so those are someone's tax dollars as well.

The US can do better, there's no question, but supplying Internet to even half of the US population is far more costly than anything Bucharest has done. We do need to overhaul our laws regarding Internet service providers. Competition was limited in the beginning and the build-out was largely government funded. However, in 2020 private sector companies invested nearly $80B USD (in a single year) compared to the $65B the Federal government will spend over the next 10 years.

I have better internet at the countryside than the whole US so yeah, I can compare it. And you seem to be ignoring the existence of states in the US and big cities like Bucharest. (I was obviously comparing big cities to big cities)

You said: "Competition was limited in the beginning and the build-out was largely government funded."

Let me rewrite that to better reflect reality:

"Competition is non-existent from the beginning and the US government is still spending tens of billions yearly on infrastructure it doesn't control."

Just a reminder AT&T just posted on the 30th of September that they made 72 billion $ in profits for the past year. And the 42.5bil broadband investment law just went into effect this year.