Ok, more beating around the bush, Intel bashing. its getting tiring. but ok. one detail as to why these foundry node set backs happened in the first place, all the blame goes back to the previous CEO who was busy getting his noddle wet, and turns out was not doing much work at all. That went on for years during his time, and it also just so happens at the same time engineers from competing companies were hired by him, and floundered, they were not doing work either. Ok, now to the hype train AMD. firstly they floundered for over a decade, and almost went out of business until massive cash infusion came alone from the Saudi's (FACT). the point is, why is it ok for amd to flounder for over a decade, and one mistake all about the node number and almost everyone bashes them? the answer is, there is more to the hate bandwagon going on than you admit. Another fact, go look at fermi labs recent amd investment, those amd server cpu's have next to no stability, they are and have been burning out. My 10 year old i7 still runs like new, I for one am happily waiting for DDR5 platform from Intel as my next relaible work station. If in the future everything goes from x86 to arm, meh, ill switch when I need to. In the mean time, you guys remain on the HYPE amd bandwagon, have a fun ride, ill gladly wait for stability and not use chipset that bricks or in need of firmware updates from day one to function.