Over 60% of PC users don't know about Windows 11

jpuroila

Posts: 389   +236
There's no such thing as Windows 11. After all, Microsoft spent several years talking about how Windows 10 would be the last Windows.

I know a lot of people that swear by Win7, but the support is dropping left and right, so they might be forced to "upgrade" when they encounter something is not working or stopped working.
I personally prefer Win10, even with its adware and update rubbish.

I really wonder, when the Proton gets the new release, if I will be able to run more than just a lot of games with no issues.
Wine already can.
 

Daniele 00

Posts: 135   +111
Win11 sounds like a marketing asset to me. This is the meaning of the restrictions (compatibility issues).
" ehi User!, Do you want the brand new shiny windows11 ?, you have also to buy a new pc. "
I dont know excactly the marketing behind it, nor I care... I just guess it is about money, that's all it matter.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 17,682   +6,462
I know a lot of people that swear by Win7, but the support is dropping left and right, so they might be forced to "upgrade" when they encounter something is not working or stopped working
I don't think I was explicit enough, or rather didn't give enough information for background.

I'm planning on removing the Blu-ray drive, and reinstalling a standard DVD burner in its place.

Then, I'll re-rent "Black Widow", and see if WMC will run it. From what I've heard, discs that are released on both Blu-ray and DVD, may contain some of the Blu-ray's DRM strategy, Which (hopefully), won't prevent its playback on a DVD drive in WMC.

However "backward" it may seem to you, all the the programs I have which are supported by Windows 7, are all that I normally use. I won't boor you with a complete list.

Suffice it to say I don't have the "gaming jones", that many here do (**), and hence don't have to mortgage the house for a new VGA,and a copy of Windows 10..

(**) You do understand that "DX-12" was the bait to get gamers to switch, don't you? It could most likely have been written into a Windows 7 update. After all, many of the early "updates" of Windows 10, were practically the entire OS.
 

DZillaXx

Posts: 417   +543
I don't think I was explicit enough, or rather didn't give enough information for background.

I'm planning on removing the Blu-ray drive, and reinstalling a standard DVD burner in its place.

Then, I'll re-rent "Black Widow", and see if WMC will run it. From what I've heard, discs that are released on both Blu-ray and DVD, may contain some of the Blu-ray's DRM strategy, Which (hopefully), won't prevent its playback on a DVD drive in WMC.

However "backward" it may seem to you, all the the programs I have which are supported by Windows 7, are all that I normally use. I won't boor you with a complete list.

Suffice it to say I don't have the "gaming jones", that many here do (**), and hence don't have to mortgage the house for a new VGA,and a copy of Windows 10..

(**) You do understand that "DX-12" was the bait to get gamers to switch, don't you? It could most likely have been written into a Windows 7 update. After all, many of the early "updates" of Windows 10, were practically the entire OS.

Honestly impressed you are still rocking WMC when Plex is a thing. I ditched WMC years ago for Plex
 

Neatfeatguy

Posts: 563   +976
Speaking of DRM, I recently rented, "Black Widow", on DVD.

I have an LG Blu-ray drive, which was "resting in the closet". The DVD drive in my machine gave up the ghost, (Even the "paper in hole to open the drawer trick", wasn't enough to save it. With the Blu-ray drive in place, Windows Media Center refused to play the disc...."there is a conflict between the copy protection and WMC".

Point being, this is on Windows 7, and it can only get worse from here.

So, in spite of a closet full of DVD drives, in various states of "the drawer won't open without a paper clip", disrepair, I set out to buy a couple of new ones. Much to my surprise, I couldn't find but a couple at Newegg, at forty bucks a pop.

Once upon a time, you could buy them on sale for somewhere around 15 to 20 each, almost every other week.

There's a message here, you people that think you're "ahead of the curve", by going to all streaming, are being herded into paying through the nose for all that, "convenience"

Renting a DVD from Redbox is still only $1.85, To stream the same movie, is more than double..

Windows Media Center doesn't support blu-ray playback. Regardless of what drive you're using, you won't get WMC to play blu-ray (to my understanding). You need software that'll function with blu-rays.

I picked up a copy of Cyberlink Power DVD about 6 years ago so I can run blu-ray movies on my computer. I had been given a blu-ray ROM and figured I'd make use of it, but found out that WMC wouldn't run blu-ray movies. I had to get proper software to do so.

About a year a later I put together a server to run Plex and started making good use of the blu-ray drive to rip all my DVDs and blu-ray movies with MakeMKV. Then I transcode them with handbrake and copy them all over to my plex server. I sometimes still use the blu-ray drive to watch a blu-ray movie, but it's mostly used for ripping movies now.
 

mrvco

Posts: 143   +141
Don't know or don't care? There doesn't seem to be anything here to get excited about unless you're just indiscriminately desperate to get yourself excited about something.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 6,752   +5,194
Renting a DVD from Redbox is still only $1.85, To stream the same movie, is more than double..
I borrow discs from my public library. Surprisingly, they actually have Black Widow on DVD and Blu-ray. IMO, the cost, if my local library does not have it and I have to put a "hold" on it, is $0.50 for, typically, a week. If my local library does have it, or I go to another branch to pick a copy up, then the cost is $0. I used to use redbox, but the library is way better for cost and the time that I can keep discs.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 6,752   +5,194
About a year a later I put together a server to run Plex and started making good use of the blu-ray drive to rip all my DVDs and blu-ray movies with MakeMKV. Then I transcode them with handbrake and copy them all over to my plex server. I sometimes still use the blu-ray drive to watch a blu-ray movie, but it's mostly used for ripping movies now.
That's definitely one way of doing it. Another way is https://redfox.bz/anydvdhd.html
 

ragreeen2646

Posts: 26   +9
Here is my opinion:
PC makers need something to spur sales. Most PCs last an extremely long time.
It wouldn't surprise me if PC makers have pressured Microsoft to do something that would spur new sales. VOILA --- Windows 11 that requires a relatively new PC.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 17,682   +6,462
Windows Media Center doesn't support blu-ray playback. Regardless of what drive you're using, you won't get WMC to play blu-ray (to my understanding). You need software that'll function with blu-rays.
Again a failure to communicate efficiently on my part, for which I apologize, and will try further to rectify..

First: I am acutely, and fully aware that WMC alone, will not play Blu-ray discs. I am also aware that special software is required to play a Blu-ray disc, with a Blu-ray drive, on a PC.
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What I was trying to say is that a Blu-ray drive will detect Blu-ray DRM strategy.., that is sometimes contained in a > DVD< disc.

It then presents the DVD to WMC, as a Blu-ray disc, which then WMC refuses to play, because it thinks that the DVD disc, is actually a Blu-ray disc. Consequently, WMC is a "non-starter" for playing the disc.

VLC however will play it on PC. In fact, VLC will load a DVD ISO file as well. (Don't ask me how I know that. But I think it's safe to say, "a little birdie told me..

In any event, my home AV system is completely separate from any PC in the home. And you can shove the very same disc into a free standing DVD player, and it runs just fine. So, I have both DVD and Blu-ray players connected to that system. However, I only use the BR player to play BR discs, as I don't ordinarily feel like listening to all the sh!t the Blu-ray player blows up, about how, "it doesn't have an internet connection, so I can't get tirmware updates, blah, blah, blah. Guess what Mr.Player, I don't want firmware updates, as they would more than likely introduce more DRM.

In summation, I am a backward, crotchety, Luddite of an old man, who relies on DVDs, (upscaled), to provide the majority of his entertainment when utilizing optical disc playback.
 

Dimitrios

Posts: 951   +760
Win11 sounds like a marketing asset to me. This is the meaning of the restrictions (compatibility issues).
" ehi User!, Do you want the brand new shiny windows11 ?, you have also to buy a new pc. "
I dont know excactly the marketing behind it, nor I care... I just guess it is about money, that's all it matter.
My money is on INTEL, POLITICS & SECURITY. Deep down that's what I think.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 17,682   +6,462
My money is on INTEL, POLITICS & SECURITY. Deep down that's what I think.

Well, that's at least as cynical as my usual approach.

However, you neglected to mention the license fees M$ will pick up from licensing Windows 11 from the jump, on new OEM devices.(**)

Besides, why are we even talking about "Windows 11"? Didn't that lying sack of crap Nadella, tell us it was never going to exist?.

"Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows, and it's free". My short term memory is a bit iffy, but I remember that BS as plain as day.

But then again, Windows 10 updates are pretty much the whole OS. After which, M$ resets everything you've changed, back to where they want it to be. BTW, don't single out >Intel<. AMD was right there with them saying, "all of our new CPUs will only be fully compatible with Windows 10"

(**)
Or was that already included with the "money" statement you made?
 
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Dimitrios

Posts: 951   +760
Well, that's at least as cynical as my usual approach.

However, you neglected to mention the license fees M$ will pick up from licensing Windows 11 from the jump, on new OEM devices.(**)

Besides, why are we even talking about "Windows 11"? Didn't that lying sack of crap Nadella, tell us it was never going to exist?.

"Windows 10 will be the last version of Windows, and it's free". My short term memory is a bit iffy, but I remember that BS as plain as day.

But then again, Windows 10 updates are pretty much the whole OS. After which, M$ resets everything you've changed, back to where they want it to be. BTW, don't single out >Intel<. AMD was right there with them saying, "all of our new CPUs will only be fully compatible with Windows 10"

(**)
Or was that already included with the "money" statement you made?

Sorry, I was vague about what I said about INTEL. I meant MICROSOFT making sure INTE'S new unique Architecture is taking advantage of and squeezing out the best performance it can.
 

Gastec

Posts: 164   +85
TPM 2.0 is required to ensure compliance with DRM, and to provide configuration and behavioral data to MSFT or any other entity, really. RIOT Games is already set up to ban cheating players via their TPM signature. While I applaud any effort to cut down on cheating, the fact that RIOT can ban a machine -- not an account or IP, a machine -- based solely on its TPM hash has further ranging concerns.
If a private company like that can have the power to ban your computer, and perhaps even render it unusable in the future, maybe it would be best to not have anything to do with that company. Or, at most, try to pay them back in their own coin.