PlayStation boss confirms that the PS5 will feature 120Hz, 4K support and 'cross-generational'...

Consoles have become ever more like a budget PC box, in so many ways. Right down to the endless updates I wait to install, for both games and firmware.

I laugh when console gamers arguing against a gaming PC talk about how they just want to sit down and play. "Consoles are so much simpler" so the argument is built around. 20 years ago it might have been true, insert disc and play. It's total nonsense now.

It's a strange situation. In the earliest days of videogames, consoles rapidly diverged and distinguished themselves from home computers. Lots of custom hardware and bespoke software.

40 years later and the convergence is at the point where new consoles are practically off the shelf PC hardware. Sharing much of their OS, APIs, the game engines are all the same, you can even play online cross platform.

The difference between PC and console gaming in terms of accessibility gets closer every single day, to the point I don't see why I would buy a console unless it had a fantastic game that wasn't on PC. Microsoft are kindly obliging me to definitely not buy an Xbox in future because they are putting everything on PC.


BS, it's still plug and play for the most part. Either download or put the disc in the system, it will automatically download any patches and after the game starts.
 
Sony should first get 4K @60Hz working before attempting 120Hz. Plus a 4K TV @120Hz needs HDMI 2.1 ports and as of currently there's only a couple of sets that have that and they cost a lot. As a PC gamer and a console gamer I must say if they can get 4K @60Hz for $500 they will truly have a real winner on their hands.
 

Vulcanproject

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BS, it's still plug and play for the most part. Either download or put the disc in the system, it will automatically download any patches and after the game starts.

PC now works much the same in that sense, automatic driver and launcher patches.

Consoles never had any patches. You put in a disc or cart, and it worked and loaded within a minute. It would be out the box and playing Mario or Gran Turismo or Halo in 5 minutes flat.

Now? Turn on the new console, big firmware updates, massive game installation, huge game updates. Input extra codes, additional DLC download. Takes forever on many titles. Manual storage micro management, the hard drive will quickly be rammed. Connect wifi, sync controllers. Maybe even update controllers! Login to account, pay for online subscription, confirm email.

Just the other day I sat and watched the latest Gran Turismo Sport update go in on my PS4 Pro. It took forever. Never mind downloading the file (over a gigabyte) which yes, you can do background if you leave the machine on standby. But when you wake it the system copies and then installs it. That stage was easily 20 minutes by itself!

The BS is anyone that denies that consoles are getting close on as complicated and as much work to actually use for gaming as a modern PC. The BS is that they are turn on and play. Not even remotely true these days.
 
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144hzGamer

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Sony has been great about their online perspective, options and features with their online gaming services, on the PS3 it was free. On the PS4 you pay but you get tons of access to free online games, services, features, discounts, downloads and access... point those missles at Microsoft. When the 360 first came out you had to have Gold just to watch Netflix, obviously this has been changed.
I think this console looks great, and yes using a console is much easier then a PC, even today.
Stop with all the damn console hating and 'PC Gaming Elysium', your not special. We all know how super great your gaming PC is...sooo amazing, so uber fantastic.

As far as the console giving users video options, that's a real bad idea on the list of bad ideas. The only thing I could see is the console auto adjusting how the game will run at 720p, 1080p, 1440p and 2160p, pending the HDTV or display its pushing.

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PC now works much the same in that sense, automatic driver and launcher patches.

Consoles never had any patches. You put in a disc or cart, and it worked and loaded within a minute. It would be out the box and playing Mario or Gran Turismo or Halo in 5 minutes flat.

Now? Turn on the new console, big firmware updates, massive game installation, huge game updates. Input extra codes, additional DLC download. Takes forever on many titles. Manual storage micro management, the hard drive will quickly be rammed. Connect wifi, sync controllers. Maybe even update controllers! Login to account, pay for online subscription, confirm email.

Just the other day I sat and watched the latest Gran Turismo Sport update go in on my PS4 Pro. It took forever. Never mind downloading the file (over a gigabyte) which yes, you can do background if you leave the machine on standby. But when you wake it the system copies and then installs it. That stage was easily 20 minutes by itself!

The BS is anyone that denies that consoles are getting close on as complicated and as much work to actually use for gaming as a modern PC. The BS is that they are turn on and play. Not even remotely true these days.

Just disconnect the console from the internet and you dont have to patch anythimg if you want to play, plus most games allow you to still play them while they download the patch, it even asks you "patch detected, do you want to run the game anyway?.

And dont even compare with PC. On Apex Legends and escaoe from tarkov I had to do crazy stuff to stop th from crashing to desktop. Editing .ini files, lowering gpu clocks on afterburner etc . yeah as plug and play as consoles, right.
 

Vulcanproject

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Just disconnect the console from the internet and you dont have to patch anythimg if you want to play, plus most games allow you to still play them while they download the patch, it even asks you "patch detected, do you want to run the game anyway?.

And dont even compare with PC. On Apex Legends and escaoe from tarkov I had to do crazy stuff to stop th from crashing to desktop. Editing .ini files, lowering gpu clocks on afterburner etc . yeah as plug and play as consoles, right.

You're joking right? Have you played Gran Turismo Sport or Driveclub for example without patches? Of course not. Because they aren't the same game after just a couple months of patches post release.

What's more if you're not connected with an account how do you play online? You don't, obviously. In actual fact, GT Sport is online only! You can't do anything unless you are connected to the servers! That means you HAVE to wait aaaages to play the game.

You do not offer a valid solution. This is a crappy excuse to try and sidestep my points.

You're clearly a blind apologist with no honest concept of the modern reality of console gaming.

PC gaming is insanely more user friendly than it was 20 years ago, console gaming insanely less user friendly than it was in the same time period.

The gap between them has shrunk so much. Don't even breathe a claim to the contrary, it's pure nonsense. I wouldn't say the gap is academic, but what was once a chasm is merely a small step these days.
 
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144hzGamer

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Amazing how spoiled and entitled kids are today.



You didn't address or counter anything I stated.
Furthermore your coming across biased towards PC gaming, which makes your opinion rather useless. When you get older and more mature you will learn to appreciate things, not ridicule, and express your viewpoint's more clearly.

I didnt want to quote your post, only like, because I agreed with everything so idk where this is coming from
 

144hzGamer

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You're joking right? Have you played Gran Turismo Sport or Driveclub for example without patches? Of course not. Because they aren't the same game after just a couple months of patches post release.

What's more if you're not connected with an account how do you play online? You don't, obviously. In actual fact, GT Sport is online only! You can't do anything unless you are connected to the servers! That means you HAVE to wait aaaages to play the game.

You do not offer a valid solution. This is a crappy excuse to try and sidestep my points.

You're clearly a blind apologist with no honest concept of the modern reality of console gaming.

PC gaming is insanely more user friendly than it was 20 years ago, console gaming insanely less user friendly than it was in the same time period.

The gap between them has shrunk so much. Don't even breathe a claim to the contrary, it's pure nonsense. I wouldn't say the gap is academic, but what was once a chasm is merely a small step these days.

why bring a game like GT if you can only play it on playstation? How can you play it on pc? You have no other option besides getting a console to play it.

And yes no comparasion. A console is way more straight forward still. Arrive home, sit on the couch, press a button on the controller, play. There is a patch? No probl the system is doing it all for you and you can run the game while installing the patch on 99% of the games if you cant be bothered to wait. Good luck playing a game on origin or steam or on any other launcher from the 35684356 you need to have installed on your pc (because pc is plug and play like consoles right? :D) while it is being patched. Oh need new drivers for the new game coming out? Want auto driver install? Sure, as easy as having bloatware like geforce experience installed because all the launchers are not enough already. Dont want geforce experience like every experienced pc user doesnt? Go on nvidia website and download new drivers, wait for it to install and use DDU for correct uninstall. Plug and play.

But wait, windows now needs to restart your system because there is a new update that will take 20 minutes to complete. But it wiped out some of your files, damn! Plug and play!

I love dualshock4, way better than xbox controller, but some games will have quick time events showing xbox controller button layout only and I end up pressing the wrong button. Plug and play!!

Wow, my black ops 4 is a stutter fest with such floaty framerate, let me cap fps on the menu to a stable value, lets say 90fps. Wrong!! As the in game fps limiter is broken (this is true, not a meme) , it is still floaty, but I have a solution! Installing riva tuner and capping fps to 90 there. Plug and play!

My battlefield V is so stuttery why? Oh I had to disable future frame rendering on nvidia control panel? Thanks for letting me know google, after 20 minutes reading forums. Plug and play!!!

Dude, want to try that new f2p game Dauntless so badly! Seems great! Oh need to install Epic Launcher and create account, damn it. Plug and Play!

On console: press button, sit on the couch. Update yes or no? Yes. Want to run the game while instslaling? Yes. Playing the game now, devs capped the fps for me, tweaked the settings for me, my controller buttons appear correctly on the screen and I am sure there wont be any OS updates asking me to restart mid game. Got bored, want a new game. Let me navigate on the one and ONLY store to buy a new game. This is plug and play.

You can say what you want, games having patches doesnt make consoles less plug and play. You're welcome.
 
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ghostf1re

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If the PS5 will be able to hit a steady 60fps on 4k coupled with a fast storage SSD man, it kinda closes the gap on PC`s, I mean, yeah, a PC is still more powerful, more customizable, bla, bla, but will it still matter? Most people ATM play full HD/1080, at least according to Steam. Who`s gonna build an expansive PC, with the latest generation video card and who`s gonna buy a PS5 for a quarter of the price with little to none visible difference? I`d say give me a keyboard and a mouse for PS5, cut that ridiculous online subscription and I`ll probably hardly use my PC for gaming ever again.

I was with you until you said little to no difference. There's a big difference. PC games run at the same resolution of their console counterparts ALWAYS look better. Resolution isn't everything. There are a lot of other things going on that a PC can handle that a console cannot. Games are not handicapped by one specific piece of hardware when made on PC as opposed to console. Consoles have a lot of walls that regulate everything, where PC games don't.
 

144hzGamer

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I was with you until you said little to no difference. There's a big difference. PC games run at the same resolution of their console counterparts ALWAYS look better. Resolution isn't everything. There are a lot of other things going on that a PC can handle that a console cannot. Games are not handicapped by one specific piece of hardware when made on PC as opposed to console. Consoles have a lot of walls that regulate everything, where PC games don't.

Yeah but for that you need either a magnifier or a higher budget. If I pay more I expect to have more quality. Is suppose to be like that.
 

ghostf1re

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Yeah but for that you need either a magnifier or a higher budget. If I pay more I expect to have more quality. Is suppose to be like that.

I agree, but I was just pointing out it's not just simply looking at resolution being the one separation between PC's and consoles. Either way, I'm a gamer at heart and I buy all the systems. I just play a lot of games, so for me there isn't really a competition. They all have their pros.
 

144hzGamer

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I agree, but I was just pointing out it's not just simply looking at resolution being the one separation between PC's and consoles. Either way, I'm a gamer at heart and I buy all the systems. I just play a lot of games, so for me there isn't really a competition. They all have their pros.

Same here. My fav platform is PC but dont ask me to play fifa or tekken on the pc. Just like I wouldnt play diablo on a console. Each platform has its advantages!
 

Rlam77

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This is probably going to be like how the PS3 supported 1080p but almost none of the games except something like Tennis actually were 1080p.
GT5/6
FFXIII
Wipeout HD

To name a few...

FFXIII runs at 720p. Only the CGI cutscenes are 1080p. Racing games are not much more demanding than Tennis in that they are mostly static non animating vehicle/car bodies moving around an environment consisting mostly of a geometrically simple flat track. That's why Ridge Racer was a launch game for a few console generations and looked good compared to most other launch games.
 
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Lounds

Posts: 797   +710
FFXIII runs at 720p. Only the CGI cutscenes are 1080p. Racing games are not much more demanding than Tennis in that they are mostly static non animating vehicle/car bodies moving around an environment consisting mostly of a geometrically simple flat track. That's why Ridge Racer was a launch game for a few console generations and looked good compared to most other launch games.
Ah right,I just went off what the back of the box said at the time, very boring game though.
 

Ravalo

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Just disconnect the console from the internet and you dont have to patch anythimg if you want to play, plus most games allow you to still play them while they download the patch, it even asks you "patch detected, do you want to run the game anyway?.

And dont even compare with PC. On Apex Legends and escaoe from tarkov I had to do crazy stuff to stop th from crashing to desktop. Editing .ini files, lowering gpu clocks on afterburner etc . yeah as plug and play as consoles, right.

That got fixed a long time, the only thing that hasn’t been fixed is that Apex Legends is not so friendly with fm2+ cpus
When I installed SCP:SL, all patches and updates were installed and it only took about 20 min to download
 

Ravalo

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Just found that funny because those 2 games run on a 400€ laptop that everyone has
It depends on the laptop, TF2 runs like s*** on some 6 core cpus because it was designed for 4 core cpus (at the time the game was released it was to future proof the game since most people had 2 core cpus)
 
Consoles have become ever more like a budget PC box, in so many ways. Right down to the endless updates I wait to install, for both games and firmware.

I laugh when console gamers arguing against a gaming PC talk about how they just want to sit down and play. "Consoles are so much simpler" so the argument is built around. 20 years ago it might have been true, insert disc and play. It's total nonsense now.

It's a strange situation. In the earliest days of videogames, consoles rapidly diverged and distinguished themselves from home computers. Lots of custom hardware and bespoke software.

40 years later and the convergence is at the point where new consoles are practically off the shelf PC hardware. Sharing much of their OS, APIs, the game engines are all the same, you can even play online cross platform.

The difference between PC and console gaming in terms of accessibility gets closer every single day, to the point I don't see why I would buy a console unless it had a fantastic game that wasn't on PC. Microsoft are kindly obliging me to definitely not buy an Xbox in future because they are putting everything on PC.
Consoles will always be better 1. Price 2. Optimationzation
 

Ravalo

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Consoles will always be better 1. Price 2. Optimationzation
Oh boy you’re wrong

1. Here’s a pc with similar components to the ps4 pro: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZCYF7W
A ps4 pro costs 400$ when it isnt on sale and the membership (to play online) costs about 50$
So you’re saving 50 bucks which you can use to buy games on steam (and +70% discounts are also free on steam)

2. This one is kinda true, but in the ps4 pro you’re playing at 1440p most of the time and the settings are lowered to medium-low (in the xbox one X you get a more native 4k experience because it uses a modded rx 580, but still at medium-low settings)
 

144hzGamer

Posts: 214   +131
Consoles will always be better 1. Price 2. Optimationzation
Oh boy you’re wrong

1. Here’s a pc with similar components to the ps4 pro: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZCYF7W
A ps4 pro costs 400$ when it isnt on sale and the membership (to play online) costs about 50$
So you’re saving 50 bucks which you can use to buy games on steam (and +70% discounts are also free on steam)

2. This one is kinda true, but in the ps4 pro you’re playing at 1440p most of the time and the settings are lowered to medium-low (in the xbox one X you get a more native 4k experience because it uses a modded rx 580, but still at medium-low settings)

The problem is that if you go online with that PC, and that mouse and those specs you will get obliterated. Ps4 pro has same performance for everyone. With that pc you will be lucky to push 60fps on bf v or apex, and get melted by ppl with 150fps and proper gaming mice

Plus that kind of system here on europe is way more expensive than a ps4 pro
 

Ravalo

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The problem is that if you go online with that PC, and that mouse and those specs you will get obliterated. Ps4 pro has same performance for everyone. With that pc you will be lucky to push 60fps on bf v or apex, and get melted by ppl with 150fps and proper gaming mice

Plus that kind of system here on europe is way more expensive than a ps4 pro

You could also use those 60 dollars to buy a g pro and a cheap mechanical keyboard

How much does a ps4 pro with playstation plus cost in europe?

Here are some benchmarks btw:
 

HotToz

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I don't think PC gamers gonna switch to PS or Xbox just because 120Hz refresh rate. We already own a lot of PC games and unless they add PC compatibility in their consoles (mostly all consoles are using x86, so it is more than viable option to add), I don't foresee any PC gamer switching platform and spending double in hardware to keep both platforms and paying extra for each title games. Game titles are cheaper in PC than console, there are a lot more alternatives to look for great deals.