RTX 3060 prices suggest it will be 50% more expensive than the MSRP

PlantPanda

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Well, it's a good time to maybe try out some obscure indie titles that might be getting ignored and wait out this price storm. There's bound to be some good titles from the last 20 years that's still visually appealing enough so as not to warrant being sucked into the lastest financial raking over the coals. Patience can and will cool the market. At the end of the day, they want to move their product. They may believe it's worth a $1000, but at that price, they can expect $0.00 and $0.00 doesn't pay the bills.
Absolutely, you need not look that far back. GRIS, Banner Saga trilogy, Darkest Dungeon, VA-11 Hall-A and Hyper Light Drifter are just a few of the indie games I've played made in the last decade that absolutely blew me away rather than my GPU. I wholeheartedly recommend these games for anyone playing on anything from a dual core with an iGPU to those on a Ryzen 9 and GTX 3090 system. I don't see this as waiting out a crisis; this has been an opportunity for me to play amazing games I otherwise may not have had the pleasure of experiencing.
 

HofyPC

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It is pretty sad that the GTX-1650 SC I bought at this time last year for $135 now brings $400!
I thought this mining fad had past, I guess not.
 

Neatfeatguy

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TPU reviews on the RTX 3060 put the card at around a RTX 2070 performance level.

For me, that's only about a 30% performance jump of my nearly 6 year old 980Ti.
 

neeyik

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TPU reviews on the RTX 3060 put the card at around a RTX 2070 performance level.

For me, that's only about a 30% performance jump of my nearly 6 year old 980Ti.
TPU did indeed find that, on average, the 3060 was on par or a few % ahead of the 2070. When they tested the latter, they determined to have a performance around 55% greater than the 980 Ti. That was done 2 years ago, so few of those games used appear in the 3060's review; one that does is Witcher 3.


The 1440p results are:

RTX 3060 = 85.2 fps avg
RTX 2070 = 85.7 fps avg (3060 review)
RTX 2070 = 86.4 fps avg (2070 review)
GTX 980 Ti = 53.6 fps avg (2070 review)

So that puts the 3060 at just under 59% faster than the 980 Ti. Another game that appears in both reviews is Far Cry 5:


Picking 1440p again:

RTX 3060 = 96.6 fps avg
RTX 2070 = 96.4 fps avg (3060 review)
RTX 2070 = 94.2 fps avg (2070 review)
GTX 980 Ti = 60.6 fps avg (2070 review)

In those tests, the 3060 is still 59% faster than the 980 Ti. Of course, these are very isolated results, and I'm certain different tests will show varying degrees of separation between the cards, but on the basis of the above, the 3060 isn't as bad a card as you might think it is. On paper, it's actually worse than the 2070, but it's dual FP32 pipelines and better cache system is clearly helping it out.
 

Neatfeatguy

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TPU did indeed find that, on average, the 3060 was on par or a few % ahead of the 2070. When they tested the latter, they determined to have a performance around 55% greater than the 980 Ti. That was done 2 years ago, so few of those games used appear in the 3060's review; one that does is Witcher 3.


The 1440p results are:

RTX 3060 = 85.2 fps avg
RTX 2070 = 85.7 fps avg (3060 review)
RTX 2070 = 86.4 fps avg (2070 review)
GTX 980 Ti = 53.6 fps avg (2070 review)

So that puts the 3060 at just under 59% faster than the 980 Ti. Another game that appears in both reviews is Far Cry 5:


Picking 1440p again:

RTX 3060 = 96.6 fps avg
RTX 2070 = 96.4 fps avg (3060 review)
RTX 2070 = 94.2 fps avg (2070 review)
GTX 980 Ti = 60.6 fps avg (2070 review)

In those tests, the 3060 is still 59% faster than the 980 Ti. Of course, these are very isolated results, and I'm certain different tests will show varying degrees of separation between the cards, but on the basis of the above, the 3060 isn't as bad a card as you might think it is. On paper, it's actually worse than the 2070, but it's dual FP32 pipelines and better cache system is clearly helping it out.

RTX 2070 runs around 10-15% faster than the 2060.

Going off Techspot's own revisit of the 980Ti, they show at 1440p on average, the 980Ti is around 19% slower than the 2060.

Factor in the 2070 being upwards of 15% faster on average than a 2060, that's still only in the 35% average range increase in performance of the 3060 over a nearly 6 year old 980Ti.

Pick out a few games and it could look even smaller, or as your examples, swing out on the extreme end.
 

neeyik

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RTX 2070 runs around 10-15% faster than the 2060.

Going off Techspot's own revisit of the 980Ti, they show at 1440p on average, the 980Ti is around 19% slower than the 2060.

Factor in the 2070 being upwards of 15% faster on average than a 2060, that's still only in the 35% average range increase in performance of the 3060 over a nearly 6 year old 980Ti.

Pick out a few games and it could look even smaller, or as your examples, swing out on the extreme end.
All good points and it will be interesting to see what Steve makes of the 3060. The comment about what games to examine is particularly relevant, because if one takes newer titles (as those used in our RTX 3060 Ti review), the results are different again.

At 1440p, across 18 titles, the 3060 Ti was 44% faster than the RTX 2070, 68% faster than the RTX 2060, and 104% faster than the GTX 980 Ti. In those same tests, the 2070 was 16% faster than the 2060, but 41% faster than the 980 Ti (with the 1% Lows being 48% higher). So if the 3060 turns out to be the same as the 2070, I don't think a 41 to 48% difference to a $649 high end product is all that bad, despite the 6 year gap.

Still, if prices were at MSRP levels (ha!), I wouldn't be tempted to get the 3060, when the Ti model is just $70 more (21%) more.
 

Neatfeatguy

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All good points and it will be interesting to see what Steve makes of the 3060. The comment about what games to examine is particularly relevant, because if one takes newer titles (as those used in our RTX 3060 Ti review), the results are different again.

At 1440p, across 18 titles, the 3060 Ti was 44% faster than the RTX 2070, 68% faster than the RTX 2060, and 104% faster than the GTX 980 Ti. In those same tests, the 2070 was 16% faster than the 2060, but 41% faster than the 980 Ti (with the 1% Lows being 48% higher). So if the 3060 turns out to be the same as the 2070, I don't think a 41 to 48% difference to a $649 high end product is all that bad, despite the 6 year gap.

Still, if prices were at MSRP levels (ha!), I wouldn't be tempted to get the 3060, when the Ti model is just $70 more (21%) more.

I was hoping the 3060 would have landed more towards the 2070 Super performance (that would have been within 10-12% of the 3060 Ti), I would have been okay with trying to pick one up then for around the $400 range. But that performance gap between the 3060 and 3060Ti is so large, it makes the 3060 feel like a bit of a train wreck at the price when the Ti version is only listed for $70 more from the MSRP.