Russia plans to manufacture chips locally on a 28 nm node by 2030

bviktor

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Putin's at crossroads:

- completely demolish his country
- turn his country into a colony of China

I wonder which one he's trying to accomplish.
 

yannus

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And where are they going to get the machines TO MAKE THE CHIPS THEY HAVE PIRATED? Do you have ANY IDEA how involved and intricate making processors is?

Where are they going to get the wafers to make the chips on top of that?
The sanctions are applied by countries that don't produce much. Asia, Africa and South America already provide Russia anything they need.

Now talking about the idea of producing locally, it sounds like what everybody should do. Europe and North America have lost most of their production and need all the time to import, that makes them weak.
 
I've been in the lithography "bidness" since 1980. In addition to installing new equipment I've watched those "smaller" companies buy used equipment and try to install it and then use it. If Russia were even able to buy used litho equipment they would need to have the skill set to install it and then actually make it work. I present a broken leg and strong solvent fumes in a small chip fab in Silicon Valley and an example of an unlikely success path.
 

MakeMSGreatAgain

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They will just get everything through China... they are buds and have been for a long time. China is a up and coming power house in the world and the U.S. has enabled this. Trump may be a a$$hat clown but he was right about one thing, we shouldn't be dependent on China and should be making our own stuff. In many ways, or long term spending in China over the years has helped fun China's discrete assistance to Russia in their current reacquisition efforts of Ukraine. And the U.S. is helping Russia in many ways we don't realize... the world is complicated.
 

BigRedPDX

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Not like anyone will be buying them. I hope for the best for the citizens of Russia, but these sanctions are going to hurt them for a while. They won't get this project done by 2030 if they get knocked back to the stone ages.
 

yannus

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Not like anyone will be buying them. I hope for the best for the citizens of Russia, but these sanctions are going to hurt them for a while. They won't get this project done by 2030 if they get knocked back to the stone ages.
WE are the one who are hurt right now, they sell what they have to others who are quite happy with that and they stop buying over-expensive brands, China is happy too. Western countries are going down very fast, I've never seen such poverty and chaos since I was born.
 

Squid Surprise

Posts: 5,335   +4,981
WE are the one who are hurt right now, they sell what they have to others who are quite happy with that and they stop buying over-expensive brands, China is happy too. Western countries are going down very fast, I've never seen such poverty and chaos since I was born.
Yeah, Western Europe, the US, Canada and Australia are just terrible compared to the heavenly paradises that are China and Russia... /S (I feel the /S is necessary as your post indicated you might not be able to tell).
 

Tantor

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WE are the one who are hurt right now, they sell what they have to others who are quite happy with that and they stop buying over-expensive brands, China is happy too. Western countries are going down very fast, I've never seen such poverty and chaos since I was born.

True. The situation is extremely serious. There will be huge damage to Western economies. Either Biden and the Western leaders made a huge miscalculation, or they want it to happen.

 

Tantor

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Yeah, Western Europe, the US, Canada and Australia are just terrible compared to the heavenly paradises that are China and Russia... /S (I feel the /S is necessary as your post indicated you might not be able to tell).

Russia is not a bad place to live. The women are certainly far more attractive. They actually like being women.
 

BigRedPDX

Posts: 287   +201
WE are the one who are hurt right now, they sell what they have to others who are quite happy with that and they stop buying over-expensive brands, China is happy too. Western countries are going down very fast, I've never seen such poverty and chaos since I was born.
I've been seeing it for years now. I was even homeless about 6 or 7 years ago. Yes, we are hurting ourselves from this, but like anything it'll take some adaptation. Russia might adapt, but they may hit a poverty level so low that it will take them a century to get back to normal again. We aren't in that kind of position... yet.
 

yannus

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Yeah, Western Europe, the US, Canada and Australia are just terrible compared to the heavenly paradises that are China and Russia... /S (I feel the /S is necessary as your post indicated you might not be able to tell).
Sorry I wasn't probably clear enough. I wasn't comparing western countries and Russia or China, as sometimes prejudice would make people feel their culture or living place is superior to others. I was just talking about the impact of sanctions on the economies and the price of gasoline in itself is enough to prove part of my point.
 

Usukosej

Posts: 183   +82
Yeah, nah.. Russia will be defeated by then, and Putin will be dead.
Hopefully he will die soon but Russia won't be defeated - 7000 nukes will defend them. They have the most nukes of any country. Most advanced + biggest ones too.

Their biggest nukes can clear any big city from the map and the radius will be huge. Tsar Bomba.
 

Lounds

Posts: 1,180   +1,080
Yeah, Western Europe, the US, Canada and Australia are just terrible compared to the heavenly paradises that are China and Russia... /S (I feel the /S is necessary as your post indicated you might not be able to tell).
You should read how food banks are normal in the UK for people working full time on minimum wage.