Russia says it will leave the ISS and launch its own space station

viperfl

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We should of had a replacement for the shuttle program before it was dumped. Of course that never happened and so we paid Russia a million dollars per flight to send our astronauts to the ISS. Going back to the moon is getting closer to reality but having a permanent moon base is I think years away
 

terzaerian

Posts: 913   +1,305
Man who shoved the stick up your arse this morning? Chill man, it was pretty clearly a joke.
A single mission, yes. They also had a recent failure that out things on hold again. Meanwhile were currently still reliant on Russia for supply missions and new equipment.
I don't find being compared to a conspiracy theorist particularly funny, especially in a political environment that's trying to get conspiracy theorists watchlisted. It's used by political ideologues to try and dismiss criticism out of hand. I was simply returning the favor.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 16,775   +5,521
I’m grateful that president Obama has the foresight to trust American innovation rather than throw good money after bad in failing projects that never delivered a successful flight.
WTF are you talking about? NASA and the US government are still propping up Space-X. It just looks better to the taxpayer because the projects are "off budget".

As for "failing projects", I'd hardly consider the Apollo projects, "unsuccessful".

Even with the loss of two craft, the Space Shuttle was quite a success.

Musk is continually blowing up stuff. His "Falcon" series seems to work well enough, but the "Starship" thus far, has been a flop. (Three (3) prototypes, destroyed). And this is the vehicle the Musk is pinning his paranoid delusions of a Mars colony on.
 

CommonSenseTech

Posts: 103   +94
I wouldn't dismiss russia. They technically won the space race after all. We won the moon race. Theyre also the only country to have actively armed a space station before.
The Soviet Union was the first to launch a satellite, but it was far more than just Russia at the time. In fact, the primary Soviet research station and kosmodrome is not in Russia but Kazakhstan, and a large contingent of the surviving engineers are in countries Russia now has proxy wars with. The Soviet era capability is largely lost.

The USA has all the tech necessary to do “disposable” missions ala the Soyuz or Apollo. Investing in a returnable vehicle that doesn’t do a Challenger or Kamorov is tough, but worth the investment.
 

Bulllee

Posts: 179   +123
He canceled them without offering any possibility of a replacement outside of some hopium that commercial vehicles would "someday" be ready to pick up the slack. As of this year SpaceX is still struggling to keep its rockets from blowing themselves apart, and we're hitching a ride with aging Soyuz platforms.
I love a new word: new to me.
Hopium.
 

Theinsanegamer

Posts: 2,446   +3,596
I don't find being compared to a conspiracy theorist particularly funny, especially in a political environment that's trying to get conspiracy theorists watchlisted. It's used by political ideologues to try and dismiss criticism out of hand. I was simply returning the favor.
Dude you got bent out of shape over what is clearly a satirical comment that is making fun of those who ascribe everything to a conspiracy theory. Learn to laugh a little, it's good for you.
 

captaincranky

Posts: 16,775   +5,521
Man, you've really drunk the kvass. Better stop watching NTV.
Haven't you heard, the KGB doesn't exist anymore? (It actually does, it's just been renamed ("FSB" & "SVR")
Did you know that "sinister" is merely the Latin word for "left"?

At least our CIA doesn't seem disposed of poisoning opposition leaders to Putin in foreign countries. (If they do, at least they're a bit more discreet about it).
 

Aranarth

Posts: 90   +73
"Russia says it will leave the ISS and launch its own space station"

Oh really?!

I got a hundred bucks that not only with they NOT do that, but they will come up up with some wild excuse as to why they won't and then point their finder at teh US, SpaceX or someone else and BLAME them for the failure of being unable to get this thing funded and off the ground.

Now as for SpaceX the Falcon and Falcon Heavy are SPECTACTULAR crafts. Highly reliable, re-usable, and above all CHEAP. (Cheap because they are reliable and reusable.)

I fully expect Starship to be the next heavy launch platform once it exits Beta with the ability to easily get to the moon and maybe mars and be able to do it more cheaply than NASA ever can or could.
 

wiyosaya

Posts: 5,919   +4,173
Aviation "philosophy" states that, "any landing you can walk away from is a good one". Needless to say, Space-X landings don't always fall, (pun intended), into that category...

Considering "Starship" has not launched yet without exploding, I think Musky jinxed things by choosing "Starship" as a name. Much like "Autopilot" :laughing:

"Starship" looks like a failed attempt at special effects for a 1950's Sci-Fi movie, IMO.
I fully expect Starship to be the next heavy launch platform once it exits Beta with the ability to easily get to the moon and maybe mars and be able to do it more cheaply than NASA ever can or could.
Good luck with that ;)
 

captaincranky

Posts: 16,775   +5,521
Now as for SpaceX the Falcon and Falcon Heavy are SPECTACTULAR crafts. Highly reliable, re-usable, and above all CHEAP. (Cheap because they are reliable and reusable <sometimes.)
Fixed It's like I always say, "Elon, Elon, he's out man, if he can't do it no one can
I fully expect Starship to be the next heavy launch platform once it exits Beta with the ability to easily get to the moon and maybe mars and be able to do it more cheaply than NASA ever can or could.
One thing's for certain, Starship will leave beta with a BOOM 🤣
 

Rock Dirty

Posts: 41   +57
As of this year SpaceX is still struggling to keep its rockets from blowing themselves apart, and we're hitching a ride with aging Soyuz platforms.

I'm sorry, you seem to have moved from your universe to ours by mistake. On this Earth we have SpaceX launching people to the ISS, and SpaceX had not had an orbital launch failure in years.

Just thought you should know.

Welcome! Hope you enjoy your stay here!
 

Arbie

Posts: 259   +489
The CIA has arguably become more sinister than the KGB ever was.
Fatuous and almost unbelievable remarks like this are a profound testament to the efficacy of the modern Russian propaganda machine, and to the West's cocooned lifestyle and absolute ignorance of history beyond what they just read on FaceBook.

As just one example... the KGB (aka NKVD) actively enslaved 100M+ East Europeans, condemning them to generations of Stalinist terror, hopelessness, and servitude. This is in addition to doing the same thing to their own 100M+ population(s), and promoting war and revolution to embed those conditions globally. In North Korea their pupils still reign supreme over the unending concentration camps.

Maybe spit out some of the kvass, and reconsider your preferences.
 
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Scrye74

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Obama canceled failing programs that were over budget, which was bad. Had he not canceled them and they’d continued failing to deliver while burning billions, he’d also still be bad. Obama’s just the source of everything bad that has ever happened.

Meanwhile you overlooked Orion’s problems, which I’m sure was a good faith oversight and not a deliberate one.
Ya, he cancelled the heck out of Solyndra. Oh, wait...
 

captaincranky

Posts: 16,775   +5,521
Fatuous and almost unbelievable remarks like this are a profound testament to the efficacy of the modern Russian propaganda machine, and to the West's cocooned lifestyle and absolute ignorance of history beyond what they just read on FaceBook.

As just one example... the KGB (aka NKVD) actively enslaved 100M+ East Europeans, condemning them to generations of Stalinist terror, hopelessness, and servitude. This is in addition to doing the same thing to their own 100M+ population(s), and promoting war and revolution to embed those conditions globally. In North Korea their pupils still reign supreme over the unending concentration camps.

Maybe spit out some of the kvass, and reconsider your preferences.
Stalin actually killed more Russians, than Hitler killed Jews. Estimates as high as 20 million have been tendered.

I'd add to your comment on the frivolousness and dysfunction of present day US society, but I'd only ramble on for pages (and it's time to feed my cats). Besides, I'd only net a "TL;DR" on the post anyway.
 
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captaincranky

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"Starship" looks like a failed attempt at special effects for a 1950's Sci-Fi movie, IMO.
OK, the music in the intro is simply not listenable. Nobody in their right should be able to sit through that many diminished chords.
But, if you jump to about 8:45, you'll get your first glimpse of the "starship", in all it's "glory"..

After that, the whole hot wet dramatic mess, becomes a bizarre metaphor for climate change/

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If you close your eyes, you can Imagine Musk, jet pack strapped on, flying over large metropolitan areas, dropping huge bundles of Tesla brochures.
 
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Vulcanproject

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All anyone needs to know is the current ISS is the most expensive structure ever assembled by humans. By some distance.

Russia's economy is far too feeble and credit rating weak to do it by themselves. Anything bigger than a couple of capsules anyway.

The ISS can't be habitable forever but replacing the capabilities it has for research and living could only really be another massive international project. I think what we'll end up seeing is smaller stations and largely uncrewed orbital refueling dumps.

At this point if you want to get serious about Mars or even just permanent residence on the moon then you sort orbital refueling. You can refuel satellites, probes, multiple moons trips, whatever.

Not to mention the fact asteroid hits are a massive threat to our civilization. Having a rapid response capability to do something about that with orbital fuelling will look smart one day.