Russia says it will leave the ISS and launch its own space station

Darth Shiv

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Fatuous and almost unbelievable remarks like this are a profound testament to the efficacy of the modern Russian propaganda machine, and to the West's cocooned lifestyle and absolute ignorance of history beyond what they just read on FaceBook.

As just one example... the KGB (aka NKVD) actively enslaved 100M+ East Europeans, condemning them to generations of Stalinist terror, hopelessness, and servitude. This is in addition to doing the same thing to their own 100M+ population(s), and promoting war and revolution to embed those conditions globally. In North Korea their pupils still reign supreme over the unending concentration camps.

Maybe spit out some of the kvass, and reconsider your preferences.
Remind me again how many people are in countries in South America locked in drug trade ruled societies? Remind me of how many people are in Middle Eastern countries in anarchy from fabricated evidence to justify invasion? How many millions displaced there? The country for which most of the 9/11 pilots came from wasn't touched btw. Interesting that...

The US (and the CIA a huge part of this) has been involved in over 60 conflicts and coups since WWII.
 

Aranarth

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Fixed It's like I always say, "Elon, Elon, he's out man, if he can't do it no one can

One thing's for certain, Starship will leave beta with a BOOM šŸ¤£

They said the same thing about the falcon 9 when it first launched.
Then they said the same thing about landing rockets on a ship out at sea.
Then they said the same thing about the falcon heavy.

Its called iteration in place.
It is SUPPOSED TO GO BOOM!
Enjoy it while you can because suddenly it will work, then it will be common place, then we will wonder why we never though of it first...

Elon knows engineering, does not know self driving, does know rocketry, does not know safety.
Tesla's will very likely NEVER be self driving. I bet someone else will get their first.
 

captaincranky

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They said the same thing about the falcon 9 when it first launched.
Then they said the same thing about landing rockets on a ship out at sea.
Then they said the same thing about the falcon heavy.
Well, there's really nothing new about either of those platforms.
As for landing and reusing the booster, that's been in comic books for decades.And I never said they wouldn't work. After all, musk has been the beneficiary of billions of dollars of R & D from NASA itself.

Musk is using LOX & NO2 for propellant. These a very high calorie fuels. They need to be, since you have to save fuel to retrieve the booster. That cuts down on payload.capacity. As far as retrieving and reusing the "Dragon" capsule, that presents very few issues, other than perhaps replacing the heat shield.
Its called iteration in place.
It is SUPPOSED TO GO BOOM!
Enjoy it while you can because suddenly it will work, then it will be common place, then we will wonder why we never though of it first...
Well, I don't know about "supposed to go boom. I do notice that Musk is often strangely silent after one of his (Spacr-X) screw ups. If you listen to him at other times, you'd swear he'll have a martian colony by this fall.

Now, if you watch the latest starship explosion, it looks like something is flaming out the side, at or near the nozzles. Keep in mind, that's the same or similar failure that befell Challenger, bad o-rings
Elon knows engineering, does not know self driving, does know rocketry, does not know safety.
Tesla's will very likely NEVER be self driving. I bet someone else will get their first.
Musk had one year of physics. In that field, that's enough to "talk the talk", but far from enough to, "walk the walk".

One thing Musk is possibly the very best in the world at, is fund raising. He can practically levitate people's and government's wallets out of their pockets, and then retrieve them before they hit the ground.and break.
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CommonSenseTech

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I find Musk to be annoying and at times aggravating (especially when he goes off on coronavirus or transgender peopleā€™s pronouns). But I also think itā€™s impossible to deny that he has been a driving force behind both a modernized and accessible space program as well as attainable, practical and desirable electric cars.
 

captaincranky

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I find Musk to be annoying and at times aggravating (especially when he goes off on coronavirus or transgender peopleā€™s pronouns). But I also think itā€™s impossible to deny that he has been a driving force behind both a modernized and accessible space program as well as attainable, practical and desirable electric cars.
Yes, but it's still all predicated on his consummate skill as a bullsh!tter, con artist, and fund raiser
 

CommonSenseTech

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Yes, but it's still all predicated on his consummate skill as a bullsh!tter, con artist, and fund raiser
Money, marketing and vision make the world go round. Building a better mousetrap rarely leads to commercial success; the technology graveyard is littered with superior product that died for lack of vision, marketing and money.
 

wiyosaya

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OK, the music in the intro is simply not listenable. Nobody in their right should be able to sit through that many diminished chords.
But, if you jump to about 8:45, you'll get your first glimpse of the "starship", in all it's "glory"..

After that, the whole hot wet dramatic mess, becomes a bizarre metaphor for climate change/

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If you close your eyes, you can Imagine Musk, jet pack strapped on, flying over large metropolitan areas, dropping huge bundles of Tesla brochures.
šŸ¤£ That ship definitely looks like Musky's inspiration for "Starship". šŸ¤£

I could also imagine Musky having a jet-pack strapped on and dropping recuritment flyers for his "Mars Colony."
 

wiyosaya

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Yes, it's a conspiracy theory so wild that it's been endorsed by three astronauts that walked on the moon:


"When President Obama recently released his budget for NASA, he proposed a slight increase in total funding...the accompanying decision to cancel the Constellation program, its Ares 1 and Ares V rockets, and the Orion spacecraft, is devastating."
-Neil Armstrong

Do some cursory research before you mouth off.
Honestly, I do not see what the big deal especially with NASA's Artemis program - which is arguably what took the place of the Constellation program. https://www.nasa.gov/what-is-artemis
 

Arbie

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Remind me again how many people are in countries in South America locked in drug trade ruled societies? Remind me of how many people are in Middle Eastern countries in anarchy from fabricated evidence to justify invasion? ... The US (and the CIA a huge part of this) has been involved in over 60 conflicts and coups since WWII.
Is this just easy relativism based on tragic mistakes the US has undeniably made (generally driven by our right-wingers)? Or are you seriously supporting the thesis that the CIA is "more sinister" than the KGB? Tip: the latter position is beyond comprehension to any student of history. It has made for quite a few movies, though - typically the main source of such an opinion.
 
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Darth Shiv

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Is this just easy relativism based on tragic mistakes the US has undeniably made (generally driven by our right-wingers)? Or are you seriously supporting the thesis that the CIA is "more sinister" than the KGB? Tip: the latter position is beyond comprehension to any student of history. It has made for quite a few movies, though - typically the main source of such an opinion.
You are massively naive if you think the right wingers consider all of them mistakes.
 

Arbie

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You are massively naive if you think the right wingers consider all of them mistakes.
You chimed in on CIA vs KGB, attributing evils to the former. I didn't dispute those statements - just the glib comparison to the monumentally worse KGB.

I also accept your statement that those CIA evils were often condoned by our right wing, which is even now unashamed of them.

Anything else? Do you have a third foot to put in your mouth?
 
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Darth Shiv

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You chimed in on CIA vs KGB, attributing evils to the former. I didn't dispute those statements - just the glib comparison to the monumentally worse KGB.

I also accept your statement that those CIA evils were often condoned by our right wing, which is even now unashamed of them.

Anything else? Do you have a third foot to put in your mouth?
I think nation wrecking of the scale of the CIA is pretty bad. Sabotaging the economies of half a continent. Overthrowing dozens of elected Governments. That's a huge quantity of evil too. It might not be "as evil" but they committed a far far larger scope of evil.

So no I don't think at ANY point I put my foot in my mouth.
 

raydpratt007

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True. These days, it seems like you can hardly poison dissidents and entire hotels with radioactive isotopes, invade your neighboring countries, imprison political rivals and interfere in US elections without Washington getting all pissy about it.
Alexander Litvinenko was the first high-profile former Russian FSB agent to be poisoned with with a rare nation-state product, Polonium-210. Although it seems given that only Russia could or would do this, the later repetition of the pattern with another rare poison, Novichok, particularly in the UK, seems to indicate that it's a good show being put on by the UK. Litvinenko himself may have created the idea after realizing that he had some other terminal illness, but the propaganda victory against Russia was so successful that UK officials may have added such plays to their bag of tricks. The facts surrounding the Salisbury, England poisonings with Novichok are just too odd to be easily believed because Novichok is supposed to be extremely lethal, and the same can be said of the Navalny poisoning. Either Russia is lousy at killing high-profile defectors and dissidents, or the UK and other countries are lousy at making it look like Russia does so. If the Litvinenko story had been left where it was standing, it would be believable, but now even that story is doubtful because of the badly scripted stories that have come afterwards. If Russia's annexation of Crimea after a democratic vote is to be counted as "invading neighboring countries" while the U.S.'s engineering of the overthrow of the democratically-elected government in the Ukraine is not to be considered a precipitating event, then I guess that we simply disagree about right and wrong. As gaslighters go, the U.S. is not even good at it.
 

Arbie

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... it seems ... seems to indicate ... may have added ... If the Litvinenko story ... would be believable ... but now doubtful ...

If this, then it could be that; and if that then this other; which could mask something else, which might be a cover for yet more...

Gosh we're just so clever! And can now reasonably conclude that the open-society Western services are more sinister, cynical, brutal, and secretive - while somehow more clumsy and inept - than the FSB son of KGB son of NKVD killers directed by an ex-KGB dictator.

As I said: movie mulch.

Conspiracy theories attract in part because they can never be disproven. The standard recourse to obvious facts and common sense can simply be dismissed as naive, or baffled by another posited layer of the conspiracy onion.

This and other posts here remind me of lines from "The Mikado":
. The id*ot who praises
. With enthusiastic tone
. Every century but this
. And every country but his own.
 
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captaincranky

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. If Russia's annexation of Crimea after a democratic vote is to be counted as "invading neighboring countries" while the U.S.'s engineering of the overthrow of the democratically-elected government in the Ukraine is not to be considered a precipitating event, then I guess that we simply disagree about right and wrong. As gaslighters go, the U.S. is not even good at it.
As I understand it, the president of the Ukraine was so corrupt he was driven from office. Oddly enough, after his removal, he fled to Russia!.

It could easily be argued, that he was backed by Russia in the first place, with the idea in mind of alienating Ukrainians against their own democracy.

I'd call that a "phantom puppet regime", with Russia stacking the deck in their favor in the shadows. (sorry for the mixed metaphor)..

I'd also argue that Russia has had a part in the "black lives matter" movement". Even if they didn't start it, they likely had a hand in amplifying. it. Hell, they even had a hand in Trump's election. Trump made that clear when he blew enough sunshine up Putin's a** to make his cheeks puff up.

A common trick of the CIA is to agitate the citizens of a country against their government. I seriously doubt that this technique is lost on any Russian intelligence service.

As for war in the middle east, that's been going on since the middle ages. Quite frankly, I think both superpowers use it as both a platform for advanced weapons testing, and weapon sales.

I mean, the Saudi's have been equipped with our F-16s for ages. What do we do when they chop up a dissident reporter? Wag our finger at them, while realizing the news cycle will move past it in a couple of weeks.
 

neeyik

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