And for adults, we have the “innocent until proven guilty”... just not for kids... I make a point of telling my students this every year... how they have no rights and that school is a dictatorship... I invite them to change those rules once they’re adults... shockingly, there’s never much interest at that point...
Bravo!! Keep it up! Maybe one day.
read my first post... parents sign a waiver and “poof”, children’s rights disappear.
Is that not what I said. I said we are forced to sign them away. You reminded me of that fact. The only other choice is home schooling. Which as a stated earlier is not an option for most.
You did - and I said it even earlier - hence the "read my first post"
As a teacher, I have very few issues with this... Students' lockers have always been the subject of searches - assuming there is reason to believe that there is something to search for...
Why should their phones be any different?
We are trying to TEACH children to be better people - having them learn not to keep anything incriminating on their phones is actually a really good lesson for them to learn
And if they were adults, you’d be correct... but students don’t have rights... please read the comments before you post...
Exactly the point I was making. And the only way it would end in media is if someone told the parents.
While children don't have the same rights as adults when it comes to things that require giving consent or making informed decisions(consuming alcohol, having sex, voting in elections, etc.), they do have the same PROTECTIONS as adults, such as the right to privacy(with exceptions based on the fact that they can't give consent themselves, so their guardian(or sometimes another adult like a medical practitioner) gets to make decisions for them, such as consenting to a violation of privacy).
And do we know that the parents weren't informed? As a teacher, I always inform the parents whenever I take ANYTHING from a child - from contraband chewing gum to a firearm (no, I haven't taken any firearms from children - yet).. 99% of the time, the parent is grateful that I did so - and then they promise to discipline their child at home (but the follow through on that is not nearly as high a %).
Not when people like you seem to be fighting to protect these notions. Because you know that is the way it currently works. Well here I am presenting the notion that searching parents cellphones are going too far. When the parent is paying for the phone it is their phone. That fact doesn't change simply because it is in their child's hand. And no searching their handbag for knives guns drugs or any other harmful product is not the same thing.
Again - the parents GIVE THEIR PERMISSION - their rights are NOT being violated... only children's rights - which again, they don't actually have.
YES THEY ARE!
Once you give something to someone else, "your" rights aren't really being infringed upon... especially if you give permission...
Yes they are!
While I appreciate your Monty Python style of arguing... perhaps provide a source for this?
If your son online bullies another student I bet you will start screaming its his constitutional right to not forfeit his phone so please don't reproduce, our school teachers don't need your headaches.
You mean like the source that we no longer live in a free country. Open your eyes and look around. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see either case. What am I saying. You couldn't possibly do that.
First mistake you made is assuming I wouldn't deal with my own kid. You shouldn't have stepped in and opened your ignorant mouth. People like myself is not why schools feel the need to be a parent.
Well, I live in Canada.... but your point once again is erroneous... "Freedom" ends as soon as it affects the freedom of someone else.
I'm sorry, but this blanket statement isn't true, not in the US, nor Canada, nor under International Law. In the US, for example, children in school have a Constitutional right to free speech (per the USSC dec. Tinker v. Des. Moines), they can own property, up to and including homes, and (in 30 states at least) they can possess firearms (excluding handguns).
Sorry... while children may own property - they can't actually DO anything with it until they are 18 (age of majority) and it is simply held in trust for them until they reach that age... my point remains valid.
In a thread about privacy rights and freedom of speech, I notice you failed to rebut that children have these same freedoms as do adults, and instead chose to pick nits regarding other rights.
A Child's right to free speech is NOT the same as an adult's... While certain rights are given to them, if authorities (including schools) decide that what a child says isn't appropriate, it can be legally "censored"...
